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tgards79

(1,415 posts)
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 01:50 PM Apr 2017

Any chance the GOP does not have the votes to change the filibuster?

I've read the McCain, Collins and Corker all disagree with eliminating the 60-vote cloture requirement. Anybody else see this as a possibility or am I missing something?

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Any chance the GOP does not have the votes to change the filibuster? (Original Post) tgards79 Apr 2017 OP
nope n/t jaysunb Apr 2017 #1
Too late. They did it. n/t PoliticAverse Apr 2017 #2
Some people dreamt that they wouldn't. I said all along there was no way they'd allow the Gorsuch onenote Apr 2017 #3
Before they go there exboyfil Apr 2017 #4
They went there already today. n/t PoliticAverse Apr 2017 #5
That sounds like a good idea in theory, but in practice, not so much. EffieBlack Apr 2017 #6
They already killed it. herding cats Apr 2017 #7
No conservative has the guts to stand up for any beliefs.. beachbum bob Apr 2017 #8

onenote

(42,715 posts)
3. Some people dreamt that they wouldn't. I said all along there was no way they'd allow the Gorsuch
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 01:54 PM
Apr 2017

nomination to be blocked.

They needed a win, no matter what it took.

exboyfil

(17,863 posts)
4. Before they go there
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 01:55 PM
Apr 2017

Could we come up with some sort of grand bargain that would be more beneficial to the country?

Say seat Gorsuch for Scalia
Garland for Kennedy

Group Ginsberg and Thomas together and have the Dems select Ginsberg's replacement.

Something like that would make too much sense though. Is Garland that much more liberal than Kennedy?

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
6. That sounds like a good idea in theory, but in practice, not so much.
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 02:00 PM
Apr 2017

Dems are very adept at giving the Republicans what they want right now in return for the Republicans promising to do or not do something down the road. But when we get down the road, the rules change. In this instance, who knows whether Kennedy or Ginsburg or Thomas will vacate their seats in the next few years? What if they don't? Or what if the Dems take over the Senate in two or four years. Or we get a Democratic president while they're all still on the Court? The Dems would have rolled over for nothing.

I think it would be a mistake for the Dems to give the Republicans Gorsuch in the hope that later on, they'll get something out of it.

I'm proud of the Democrats for standing their ground today. If the filibuster is going to blow up and become useless, let it be because the Republicans actually did something to mess it up, not because the Democrats caved in and decided not to use it out of fear that the Republicans MIGHT do something mean to them if they do.

The Republicans own this now ...

 

beachbum bob

(10,437 posts)
8. No conservative has the guts to stand up for any beliefs..
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 02:06 PM
Apr 2017

2 may.. for cover as pence would be tie breaker.

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