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babylonsister

(171,070 posts)
Sat Apr 8, 2017, 08:48 AM Apr 2017

Dan Rather hits journalists who called Trump 'presidential' after Syria missile strike

Dan Rather hits journalists who called Trump 'presidential' after Syria missile strike
By Brooke Seipel - 04/07/17 08:51 PM EDT


Former CBS News anchor Dan Rather spoke out about President Trump's missile strike in Syria on Friday, critical of media figures who were quick to say that the strike was a presidential move.

"The number of members of the press who have lauded the actions last night as 'presidential' is concerning," Rather said in a Facebook post.

"War must never be considered a public relations operation. It is not a way for an Administration to gain a narrative," Rather continued. "It is a step into a dangerous unknown and its full impact is impossible to predict, especially in the immediate wake of the first strike."

Rather's post came after several media figures, including CNN host Fareed Zakaria said Trump’s missile strike in Syria shows him displaying the same qualities as America’s past leaders.

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Dan Rather hits journalists who called Trump 'presidential' after Syria missile strike (Original Post) babylonsister Apr 2017 OP
They couldn't wait to carry water for him again dalton99a Apr 2017 #1
it was a knee-jerk attack by a president who had no clue what was going on in syria spanone Apr 2017 #2
Exactly. Kath2 Apr 2017 #4
This attack was all Putin's idea. bdamomma Apr 2017 #11
The reason? SCVDem Apr 2017 #27
And a knee-jerk reaction by the media. kentuck Apr 2017 #20
He's absolutely right. Kath2 Apr 2017 #3
Zakaria is just seeking profits. "Beautiful missiles" Brian Williams is hurting America too sharedvalues Apr 2017 #5
Both Zakaria and Williams disappointed me greatly. Paladin Apr 2017 #8
Call CNN and MSNBC and complain sharedvalues Apr 2017 #10
Will do, thanks. (nt) Paladin Apr 2017 #15
I was screaming at the tv that night.. coco22 Apr 2017 #16
"Operation Frequent Manhood" malthaussen Apr 2017 #18
Like I said, Tweety Matthews is the chief culprit. Paladin Apr 2017 #21
"Beautiful weapons" is a new low, I agree. malthaussen Apr 2017 #22
Of course! Even the shape of the missiles gives that away. calimary Apr 2017 #26
i understand and agree with the metaphor.... tomp Apr 2017 #36
+1 treestar Apr 2017 #6
Until the media and their audience gets bored PatSeg Apr 2017 #14
Except If it had been President Obama.. and then the m$m Cha Apr 2017 #44
The military industrial complex... Blanks Apr 2017 #7
remember that Ike wanted to call it the rurallib Apr 2017 #34
Actually.... BigOleDummy Apr 2017 #38
it is both infuriating and terrifying - and sadly, not surprising at all. NRaleighLiberal Apr 2017 #9
Dan Rather needs to give these so called bdamomma Apr 2017 #12
Hitler was one hell of a President jrthin Apr 2017 #13
Dang, I was hoping this meant fisticuffs. malthaussen Apr 2017 #17
It is hard to tell opinion from news oberliner Apr 2017 #19
The lsos knew full well how the MSM would react randr Apr 2017 #23
I agree, Mr. Rather heaven05 Apr 2017 #24
I knew this would happen and even predicted it here... CTyankee Apr 2017 #25
drumpfanov is a conman. He has always been a conman. democratisphere Apr 2017 #28
I consider Carter's peace-making and Obama's no-drama truly Presidential. Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2017 #29
+1000 classof56 Apr 2017 #31
Very well said! BigOleDummy Apr 2017 #39
Oh, for the days of real journalists like Dan Rather NastyRiffraff Apr 2017 #30
The m$m is slobbering over trump.. If it had been President Cha Apr 2017 #45
Exactly. zentrum Apr 2017 #32
The msm love events like this. Gives them jabbering points BSdetect Apr 2017 #33
Their praise will kill people. zentrum Apr 2017 #35
it's a wake up call for the rest of us about war propaganda in the media yurbud Apr 2017 #37
the water mark is so low with Trump LiberalLovinLug Apr 2017 #40
Love Dan Rather! burrowowl Apr 2017 #41
New criteria for President. Paka Apr 2017 #42
Fareed should be so gd Ashamed of himself.. Cha Apr 2017 #43
Kick politicasista Apr 2017 #46
No shit, Dan. Good for you. PatrickforO Apr 2017 #47
Glad someone still has a conscience mdbl Apr 2017 #48
 

SCVDem

(5,103 posts)
27. The reason?
Sat Apr 8, 2017, 11:02 AM
Apr 2017

They did launch the sarin from this base and the traces and evidence had to be destroyed.

Hey Donnie, can ya do me a favor comrade?

100 Million to blow up a small part of an empty airfield.

AMERICA CANNOT AFFORD TRUMP"S FOLLIES!

kentuck

(111,102 posts)
20. And a knee-jerk reaction by the media.
Sat Apr 8, 2017, 10:19 AM
Apr 2017

They had no evidence that Syria dropped the gas or even what type of gas it was? They didn't take the time to find out. It was an impulsive reaction by all sides.

Kath2

(3,074 posts)
3. He's absolutely right.
Sat Apr 8, 2017, 08:53 AM
Apr 2017

"It is a step into a dangerous unknown and its full impact is impossible to predict, especially in the immediate wake of the first strike."

This impulsive childish fool scares the hell out of me.

Paladin

(28,264 posts)
8. Both Zakaria and Williams disappointed me greatly.
Sat Apr 8, 2017, 09:08 AM
Apr 2017

What were they thinking---that Chris Matthews is some sort of role model, i.e., that aggressive war actions by this country should create instant hard-ons? Like their new-found hero likes to say: Sad!

coco22

(1,258 posts)
16. I was screaming at the tv that night..
Sat Apr 8, 2017, 10:11 AM
Apr 2017

"How many of these commentators and Trump lovers dicks are hard because of missile drops,they love war MFKERS!

Paladin

(28,264 posts)
21. Like I said, Tweety Matthews is the chief culprit.
Sat Apr 8, 2017, 10:23 AM
Apr 2017

If a right-wing politico starts some military aggression, it's a safe bet that Tweety will be uttering spittle-flecked praises of his new mancrush. What a shame to see respected commentators like Zakaria and Williams descending to the same low level.

malthaussen

(17,202 posts)
22. "Beautiful weapons" is a new low, I agree.
Sat Apr 8, 2017, 10:33 AM
Apr 2017

Little boys love to watch things go BOOM! From the safety of their own armchairs, of course.

-- Mal

 

tomp

(9,512 posts)
36. i understand and agree with the metaphor....
Sat Apr 8, 2017, 01:09 PM
Apr 2017

...but on the other hand, the vagina-shpaed prototype missiles didn't work too good.

PatSeg

(47,501 posts)
14. Until the media and their audience gets bored
Sat Apr 8, 2017, 10:08 AM
Apr 2017

with it all. Then the media becomes critical of military operations. How quickly they forget the war fatigue of Iraq and Afghanistan, conflicts that never really ended. I'm sure there is plenty of "glamour" in those countries, but I guess that is old glamour now.

Cha

(297,298 posts)
44. Except If it had been President Obama.. and then the m$m
Sun Apr 9, 2017, 12:40 AM
Apr 2017

and the gop would be Shitting their pants.

Blanks

(4,835 posts)
7. The military industrial complex...
Sat Apr 8, 2017, 09:06 AM
Apr 2017

And mass media are owned by the same people.

It is what I call 'the Rush Limbaugh effect'.

Pay someone a whole bunch of money, and they will say EXACTLY what you want them to say.

Your choice (as the media personality) is to toe the line, or accept that they're gonna ruin your life.

This is why TV personalities can always be counted on to fawn over war. It's why we need a news media not dependent on, or influenced by advertising.

rurallib

(62,423 posts)
34. remember that Ike wanted to call it the
Sat Apr 8, 2017, 12:57 PM
Apr 2017

"military-industrial-congressional complex" but was talked out of it just before his speech.

BigOleDummy

(2,270 posts)
38. Actually....
Sat Apr 8, 2017, 02:00 PM
Apr 2017

....... it was the military-industrial-scientific complex. (I just finished a Biography of his). A very wise president, not regarded highly enough these days. There's no way he could be elected in these times though. An passage from the speech :

Akin to, and largely responsible for the sweeping changes in our industrial-military posture, has been the technological revolution during recent decades.
In this revolution, research has become central; it also becomes more formalized, complex, and costly. A steadily increasing share is conducted for, by, or at the direction of, the Federal government.
Today, the solitary inventor, tinkering in his shop, has been overshadowed by task forces of scientists in laboratories and testing fields. In the same fashion, the free university, historically the fountainhead of free ideas and scientific discovery, has experienced a revolution in the conduct of research. Partly because of the huge costs involved, a government contract becomes virtually a substitute for intellectual curiosity. For every old blackboard there are now hundreds of new electronic computers.
The prospect of domination of the nation's scholars by Federal employment, project allocations, and the power of money is ever present
and is gravely to be regarded.
Yet, in holding scientific research and discovery in respect, as we should, we must also be alert to the equal and opposite danger that public policy could itself become the captive of a scientifictechnological elite.
It is the task of statesmanship to mold, to balance, and to integrate these and other forces, new and old, within the principles of our democratic system -- ever aiming toward the supreme goals of our free society.

bdamomma

(63,868 posts)
12. Dan Rather needs to give these so called
Sat Apr 8, 2017, 09:16 AM
Apr 2017

media hosts war is not to be glorified. Also we don't see tRump saying Syrian refugees can come to the US.

Geez, I wonder if they told tRumps father Fred he couldn't bring in his wife so many years ago????, the country welcomed everyone back then, this is not normal. The USA is not Russia, what don't these SOB's get???

jrthin

(4,836 posts)
13. Hitler was one hell of a President
Sat Apr 8, 2017, 09:42 AM
Apr 2017

launching V2 rockets into London. *Sarcasm* Most in the media are vile.

malthaussen

(17,202 posts)
17. Dang, I was hoping this meant fisticuffs.
Sat Apr 8, 2017, 10:11 AM
Apr 2017

Granted, Mr Rather is a bit long in the tooth to engage in those. Too bad he doesn't have access to Tomahawk missiles.

-- Mal

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
19. It is hard to tell opinion from news
Sat Apr 8, 2017, 10:15 AM
Apr 2017

I am kind of sick of CNN with it's Brady Bunch style little boxes of people yelling at each other.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
24. I agree, Mr. Rather
Sat Apr 8, 2017, 10:45 AM
Apr 2017

100%. Bush set the precedent and the hopelessly servile media follows like a little puppy licking the soles of the boots of their fuhrer.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
25. I knew this would happen and even predicted it here...
Sat Apr 8, 2017, 10:48 AM
Apr 2017

I was just waiting for this response from the media and sure enough, it came through...

democratisphere

(17,235 posts)
28. drumpfanov is a conman. He has always been a conman.
Sat Apr 8, 2017, 11:20 AM
Apr 2017

He will always be a conman. Why would seasoned veteran journalists buy into the notion that drumpfanov is suddenly acting or could be presidential. The preannounced missile attack was just another con.

BigOleDummy

(2,270 posts)
39. Very well said!
Sat Apr 8, 2017, 02:06 PM
Apr 2017

And I agree 100%. I worked a phone bank for Mr. Carter in Denver when he was running for President after being inspired by his speech that day. Truly a man of conscience.

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
30. Oh, for the days of real journalists like Dan Rather
Sat Apr 8, 2017, 11:52 AM
Apr 2017

I remember him when he confronted Nixon again and again. These pretend muscle-men sitting smugly behind their desks and glorifying war and the idiot who launched it aren't fit to shine Dan's shoes.

Cha

(297,298 posts)
45. The m$m is slobbering over trump.. If it had been President
Sun Apr 9, 2017, 12:44 AM
Apr 2017

Obama.. they and the gop would be shitting in their pants.

Yes, it would be a whole different story now, Riff, if reporters like Walter Cronkite were still reporting the news.. instead of those who now currently manufacture it.

BSdetect

(8,998 posts)
33. The msm love events like this. Gives them jabbering points
Sat Apr 8, 2017, 12:50 PM
Apr 2017

A ratings bonanza with video loops.

So fuckin predictable.

Thanks Dan Rather for speaking up.

zentrum

(9,865 posts)
35. Their praise will kill people.
Sat Apr 8, 2017, 01:01 PM
Apr 2017

The media's approving coverage will encourage 45 to be more reckless, more war-like, more trusting of his late night impulses. More violent in every way.

The media encouraging him is lethal. Do they forget that this is the spoiled child who could mindlessly start WW3?

I hate them for their shortsighted greed and group-think.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,174 posts)
40. the water mark is so low with Trump
Sat Apr 8, 2017, 03:18 PM
Apr 2017

My gawd if he was golfing again as usual and his golfing partner fell and the cameras caught him helping up that person he'd be lauded a hero.

The MSM are just dying to have any excuse to go back to the way things were..when both parties were forced into boxes of being equally good and equally bad. Where they could divide stories up so that one day it was Democrats being bad and the next it was Republicans. And then have on reps where the Republican gets to yell over everyone else with BS, and the host just smiles, ignorant of the facts, and ends the show with a chuckle and a "who knows who is in the right here?"

Cha

(297,298 posts)
43. Fareed should be so gd Ashamed of himself..
Sun Apr 9, 2017, 12:36 AM
Apr 2017
"War must never be considered a public relations operation. It is not a way for an Administration to gain a narrative," Rather continued. "It is a step into a dangerous unknown and its full impact is impossible to predict, especially in the immediate wake of the first strike."

Rather's post came after several media figures, including CNN host Fareed Zakaria said Trump’s missile strike in Syria shows him displaying the same qualities as America’s past leaders.

Mahalo, babylonsister

Except if it had been President Obama the gd m$m and the gd gop would be shitting their pants.
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