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spanone

(135,844 posts)
Sat Apr 8, 2017, 09:59 AM Apr 2017

if russia had personnel and equipment at airbase where chemical weapons were loaded on to planes...

it would appear that the russians were complicit in the gassing of the syrian people....?

so why did we give them advance warning?

it does make trumps attack look like theater. imo

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Pachamama

(16,887 posts)
1. Yes, it would appear so...
Sat Apr 8, 2017, 10:01 AM
Apr 2017

And excellent question - why did we give them advance notification?

And Yes, this theater...

Igel

(35,320 posts)
13. Graduated response.
Sat Apr 8, 2017, 10:29 AM
Apr 2017

We used to "get" nuance. Now we don't. It's not convenient.

You hit Russian staff, you've killed Russians. It's a different can of worms than just killing Syrians. If both the US and Russia have proxies, to a large extent, and both have their targets on the ground, that's sort of how the Cold War was fought. (We like to think that Russia didn't actually supply weapons and manpower to a lot of insurgencies and civil wars during the Cold War because most of those were implicitly supported by at least some Americans left of center, and we wanted to think of those as "grass roots" and, later, "indigenous"; not supported and guided by a bunch of white European imperialists.)

It's different when the two behind-the-scenes powers kill each others' guys.


I'd say that a different story may also be at work: If Russia was told the day before, communications had to flow a certain way. If the information goes to directly help Assad, then it means that the purpose of the communication link isn't what it's been claimed to be. It's no longer coordinating the military activities of the Russians and the Americans in a way to avoid fatalities to either side--which is what Obama had set up, and apparently a lot of DUers think is crap. Instead it's now used to funnel information to Assad in an obvious manner.

Too many want surface-level analysis and immediate results, yet praised Obama's "3-D chess" and long-term strategies. Odd.

jeanmarc

(1,685 posts)
3. Doubt we know that the chemical weapons are stored there
Sat Apr 8, 2017, 10:03 AM
Apr 2017

How could we know that? They could have been driven there from another location.

hatrack

(59,587 posts)
4. Wouldn't it also mean fairly substantial lead time?
Sat Apr 8, 2017, 10:03 AM
Apr 2017

Planes, trucks, bombs and munitions, personnel . . . .

 

Lurks Often

(5,455 posts)
14. Maybe an hour or two from when the order was given
Sat Apr 8, 2017, 10:33 AM
Apr 2017

Keeping in mind my comments are based on what has been reported, an hour or two lead time would have been plenty. Other then going to where the chemical weapons were stored and bringing them to the flight line, it wouldn't take any longer to prep the planes then a conventional air attack.

spanone

(135,844 posts)
9. i understand that too, that's why it looks all the more like theater to me.
Sat Apr 8, 2017, 10:11 AM
Apr 2017

perhaps the real killer got away with it.....?

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
11. That was a story of the cold war. America and Russia (USSR) never attacked each other directly.
Sat Apr 8, 2017, 10:14 AM
Apr 2017

But their proxies did.

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
10. How do we know the gas wasn't a Russian or ISIS operation intended to entangle the USA?
Sat Apr 8, 2017, 10:12 AM
Apr 2017

"Someone said it looked like a Syrian plane" isn't good enough.
Did trump burn our Constitution and carry out an act of war without knowing the facts?

Was all the well-advertised air strike carried out to deflect from #TrumpRussia and to prevent his poll numbers from going below 30%?










Authorization for Military Force Against Syria to Respond to Use of Chemical Weapons
 

Lurks Often

(5,455 posts)
12. Because killing Russian personnel would be a huge escalation
Sat Apr 8, 2017, 10:29 AM
Apr 2017

Did the Russians know that the Syrians had chemical weapons, probably yes.
Did the Russians know Assad was going to use chemical weapons on civilians that day? Unknown
Could the Russians have stopped Assad from using chemical weapons on civilians that day? Probably no.

I'm inclined to think Russia needs that warm water port more then Syria needs Russian assistance and while Russia would have greatly preferred Assad not use chemical weapons, the Russians were not in a good position to stop him.

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