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A friend posted this on Facebook:
"We now have a Supreme Court Justice picked by a President that most Americans voted against, approved by a Senate in which low-population states have more votes that states with more people, and supported by a House in which districts are rigged to be virtually life-time appointments. This isn't a government. It's an occupying force."
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Kath2
(3,074 posts)These are dark times.
sharedvalues
(6,916 posts)annabanana
(52,791 posts)forever
sharedvalues
(6,916 posts)If corporations are people, they are sociopathic people who don't care about anything but making money.
benfranklin1776
(6,448 posts)And he'll be just as fair to the rights of individuals, the right to choose, environmental laws, corporate regulations etc. as the Russian gymnastic judges
lastlib
(23,244 posts)[font size=6]"Justice" Gorsuck*[/font size]
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)... is so gerrymandered.
The people didn't choose those in charge
Dustlawyer
(10,495 posts)Supreme Court made sure it stuck!
Cannot leave out voter suppression! The Kansas Sec o State, can't think of his name, and his Cross Check bull shit have to go. It has to be investigated and the states that use it pressured to stop!
I would also add the root cause of most of most of our problems are the campaign bribes (donations), Super PACS, Dark Money, Revolving Door, corruption. Money in our politics!
Lastly, the media, telecom/internet, and banking oligarchies need to be broken up. The corporate media, as we just saw, has the ability to strongly influence an election. They also have the ability to program a certain percentage of people (Fox News stands out) into believe in certain things that are not true and stay angry and afraid.
mnhtnbb
(31,392 posts)unraveling before our eyes.
I'm 66 and I do not recall ever being so disturbed about the future of the country. The minority has figured out how
to game the system and become very good at it.
TomVilmer
(1,832 posts)... and how it is supposed to work (except for the gerrymandering). Most Western democracies does it this way, to add a geographical factor to the voting - Germany, France, Great Britain... Without this, your big cities at the coasts would decide everything. I am not supporting the one method versus the other, just explaining a common misunderstanding...
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)democracy works"? Why should the state of Wyoming (which probably has more sheep than people) get the same number of Senators as the state of California?
TomVilmer
(1,832 posts)Because democratic representation is so much more than just "one man, one vote" - the keyword being representation. If changed, the limited influence for Wyoming would become a big problem. There is no right way to do democracy, just compromises.
Many Democrats would like to change the presidential elections to a system with no geographical factor, which would nearly guarantee only Democrats could ever win. There is zero chance the Republicans would ever allow this. so stop wasting time...
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)throwback to antebellum days. Basically set up as a sop to slave state power, just like the electoral college. It's laughably absurd that Hillary could receive 3 million more votes than her nearest challenger and not be declared the 'victor' in anything presuming to call itself a 'representative democracy.'
TomVilmer
(1,832 posts)What you are longing for is not the existing 'representative democracy', because you obviously do not want the ''representative' parts like the electoral college, but a 'direct democracy' which is something very much different. You can easily find lots of good reading about this.
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)Sense of each term. By way of contrast, the House is far more representative than the Senate.
TomVilmer
(1,832 posts)... just that is what this system is called and defined as. Generally the US way of government has some good thoughts behind it, but the reality is silly in so many ways. In contrast at the presidential election in France right now, there are 11 official candidates, including a Ford factory worker, a Trotskyist high-school teacher, and a former shepherd. In a poll, voters judged the Communist the most convincing!
Alice11111
(5,730 posts)KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)Last edited Sun Apr 9, 2017, 06:22 PM - Edit history (1)
vote.
BSdetect
(8,998 posts)BigOleDummy
(2,270 posts)... see's things very clearly.
Moostache
(9,895 posts)The right wing nuts on radio across the vast middle of the nation is a disgrace of propaganda and bullshit that never ends...
Alice11111
(5,730 posts)warmfeet
(3,321 posts)The question is, what are we going to do about it? What do we do when confronted with an occupying force?
Alpeduez21
(1,751 posts)Get your butt to the polls and vote. Make phone calls. Talk at town halls. Make your republican representatives job difficult.
czarjak
(11,278 posts)Republican specialty.
Alice11111
(5,730 posts)It would have been interesting to see the RNCs emails. Now that Putin is pissed, he may get pissed enough to release them...via Wiki. It may be that there is too much damaging to him too, and he is already having uprisings.
Kauairobert
(1 post)The key is to realize the GOP played the long game and now, even with historic low polling, they are safe.
They've done this at every level, federal, state and governors.
It's going to take time. And commitment to change.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)liberalla
(9,249 posts)all of these actions and decisions that can be undone/fixed/changed... will be. We can't live with Putin's choice for a SCOTUS judge... ETC.
Alice11111
(5,730 posts)themselves with those committees.
I hope your HOPE prevails, but the odds are not good.
jmg257
(11,996 posts)Amendments can be very important.
kentuck
(111,102 posts)Cha
(297,299 posts)Mahalo, madame
Guilded Lilly
(5,591 posts)in power control The Stupid, vocal and media magnet minority. It is a massive advantage.
The truly smart majority don't usually partake in the circus as readily. They aren't as vocal/yokel/open. They don't play "stupid" because they have more integrity, personal pride and, well,
Intelligence. They won't do the braindead dance. And they have something the Right in power don't have...a soul. People with soul have always been a target for those without one.
Sadly (and in the current situation especially) there are very smart but truly evil Right wing traitors who have used the gullibility and manipulative ease of the giant-public-farce-puppet-show of Stupid to control the media airwaves. They broadly distract while foreign powers infiltrate and internal traitors plot.
Thus we have had two of the dumbest-assed human males in political history as the head of their party in the White House while far more treacherous factions do their evil best to destroy the fibers of a Of the People By the People For the People nation. The first was a dimwit. The one now is a megalomaniac con-man Cretin.
Obama screwed up their plans. He corralled and inspired the majority soul and high road mentality in such numbers that they/we were unstoppable. Intelligence and soul won the day. (For TWO terms)
That really pissed off the assholes to no end. McConnell is the emperor of assholes. Payback is his life.
The Stupid didn't win this election, they just were enabled vociferously to do the frenetic public dance while the real foreign and domestic officers of this battle aligned their war plans of deceit and treason.
As we all so devastating have experienced, this battle will be a very very very tough gig. We HAVE to believe it is possible!
(Hugs to Cha)
Alice11111
(5,730 posts)People with souls have always been a target for those without souls. I agree with that. They target people without souls too though. They are EZ.
It is very hard for decent people to understand that many leaders of our country actively want to hurt others, even beyond the collateral damage done by their greedy natures. We think of these kinds of persons as being criminals, in prison. Many aren't though...they are just like McTurtle, Paul Ryan, Chaffetz,Trey Gowdy, Bannon, and the average stupid Trumpster. We are finally getting it though.
zentrum
(9,865 posts)Kablooie
(18,634 posts)Unless there is an upsurge of Democratic voters in 2018, not only in the House but in state legislatures, Republicans will continue to completely control the government all through the 2020s at least.
Let's hope the consequences of 100% Republican governments hits home in rural America soon.
Alice11111
(5,730 posts)is to control more (for example, gerrymandering). Conversely, the harder it is for us to win. This took some long term planning on their part...Karl Rove, Fox news executives, Kochs, etc. Then, they got Citizens United, and it really snowballed.
This is not going to be easy. Dems need to realize that it is NOT a fair game anymore.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)An occupying force? Come on, now.
bronxiteforever
(9,287 posts)Presidents within 16 years picked this way. Only 4 times has a Potus been selected by the electoral college when that potus lost a plurality of the popular vote.
We have had it with w and 45. There is something wrong with a system when the electoral college becomes the norm. ( at least for gopers).
Alice11111
(5,730 posts)California is sick of paying more than its share of taxes. Then, to have the Repubs roll back environmental regs and dictate other regressive laws, on top of that.
Insult to injury, the votes of more than a million Californians didn't count.
California and NY should use some leverage to get rid of the EC, which probably requires an Amendment. Very hard.
There is an inherent conflict between the 14th Amendment and the EC, which could mean the Sup Crt could get involved. Oh yeah, Gorsuch....
coco22
(1,258 posts)with ignorant people making decisions for the rest of us has always irritated me..Gohmert,Virginia Fox,Joe you lie Wilson,Inhofe,King,and on an on and on...
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)calimary
(81,312 posts)mountain grammy
(26,623 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)has become more and more critical, but the democratic process still rules.
Btw, we REALLY, REALLY need to appreciate, revere, and protect it. No grabbing our ankles and whining about how it is lost. Or else.