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madamesilverspurs

(15,805 posts)
Sat Apr 8, 2017, 04:47 PM Apr 2017

Saying it

A friend posted this on Facebook:

"We now have a Supreme Court Justice picked by a President that most Americans voted against, approved by a Senate in which low-population states have more votes that states with more people, and supported by a House in which districts are rigged to be virtually life-time appointments. This isn't a government. It's an occupying force."


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Saying it (Original Post) madamesilverspurs Apr 2017 OP
Your friend is right. Kath2 Apr 2017 #1
Justice Asterisk sharedvalues Apr 2017 #2
The Russian Judge annabanana Apr 2017 #4
The Garland Justice. sharedvalues Apr 2017 #5
Indeed benfranklin1776 Apr 2017 #10
So it shall be. lastlib Apr 2017 #7
+1, I've been saying since 14 that we no longer have a FUNCTIONING democracy since the house uponit7771 Apr 2017 #3
A big problem for sure! We got Tom Delayed here and our RW all Republican Dustlawyer Apr 2017 #17
!!! Alice11111 Apr 2017 #36
True. Very discouraging to see the concept of a democratic government mnhtnbb Apr 2017 #6
That is how representative democracy works... TomVilmer Apr 2017 #8
Oh yeah? Exactly what part of the Senate is "how representative KingCharlemagne Apr 2017 #30
To add a geographical factor to the voting! TomVilmer Apr 2017 #31
The U.S. Senate is an antidiluvian (and profoundly anti-democratic) KingCharlemagne Apr 2017 #32
That is exactly a 'representative democracy' TomVilmer Apr 2017 #33
Sorry, the Senate is neither democratic nor representative, save in the loosest KingCharlemagne Apr 2017 #35
I never claimed it was democratic... TomVilmer Apr 2017 #48
It Flies in the face of "one person, one vote." Alice11111 Apr 2017 #37
Silly us for wanting our vote to carry equal weight to every other American's KingCharlemagne Apr 2017 #39
The system is stuffed. BSdetect Apr 2017 #9
your friend BigOleDummy Apr 2017 #11
Do not forget the media co-opt as part of this... Moostache Apr 2017 #12
Yes, RW media has made America stupid!! Alice11111 Apr 2017 #38
All true. warmfeet Apr 2017 #13
RESIST! Alpeduez21 Apr 2017 #14
If you can't beat 'em, cheat 'em.... czarjak Apr 2017 #15
They don't care a whit. It is their strategy. Plans A through C. Alice11111 Apr 2017 #40
Gerrymandering Kauairobert Apr 2017 #16
+1 uponit7771 Apr 2017 #24
I live in hope that once the Russian plot is proven and 45 is removed, liberalla Apr 2017 #18
You are placing a lot on HOPE, as the Repubs are investigating Alice11111 Apr 2017 #41
Constitution had been ratified since 1788, NOW we have issues? jmg257 Apr 2017 #19
I like your sigline. kentuck Apr 2017 #20
The gd Stupid minority rules. Cha Apr 2017 #21
Unfortunately, the very anti-humanity Right-wing... Guilded Lilly Apr 2017 #29
Well said. I think we are getting it now though. Alice11111 Apr 2017 #42
A coup. zentrum Apr 2017 #22
American democracy has been systematically destroyed by the Republicans. Kablooie Apr 2017 #23
It's a snowball effect. The more they control, the easier it Alice11111 Apr 2017 #44
That is idoitic oberliner Apr 2017 #25
Also treating the electoral college like it is normal to have two bronxiteforever Apr 2017 #26
Really. It has to go. It may cause the breakup of the US. Alice11111 Apr 2017 #46
Low population states .. coco22 Apr 2017 #27
Hear, hear! smirkymonkey Apr 2017 #28
Dayum! True! Outstanding post!!! calimary Apr 2017 #34
very good, very true.. No democracy in America today! mountain grammy Apr 2017 #43
Nope. Democracy still rules. Its need for adjustment Hortensis Apr 2017 #45
Nope, it's not a government. It's a Koch-Mercer constructed political machine. ancianita Apr 2017 #47
KNR Lucinda Apr 2017 #49

sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
5. The Garland Justice.
Sat Apr 8, 2017, 05:40 PM
Apr 2017

If corporations are people, they are sociopathic people who don't care about anything but making money.

benfranklin1776

(6,448 posts)
10. Indeed
Sat Apr 8, 2017, 07:17 PM
Apr 2017

And he'll be just as fair to the rights of individuals, the right to choose, environmental laws, corporate regulations etc. as the Russian gymnastic judges

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
3. +1, I've been saying since 14 that we no longer have a FUNCTIONING democracy since the house
Sat Apr 8, 2017, 05:38 PM
Apr 2017

... is so gerrymandered.

The people didn't choose those in charge

Dustlawyer

(10,495 posts)
17. A big problem for sure! We got Tom Delayed here and our RW all Republican
Sat Apr 8, 2017, 10:48 PM
Apr 2017

Supreme Court made sure it stuck!

Cannot leave out voter suppression! The Kansas Sec o State, can't think of his name, and his Cross Check bull shit have to go. It has to be investigated and the states that use it pressured to stop!

I would also add the root cause of most of most of our problems are the campaign bribes (donations), Super PACS, Dark Money, Revolving Door, corruption. Money in our politics!

Lastly, the media, telecom/internet, and banking oligarchies need to be broken up. The corporate media, as we just saw, has the ability to strongly influence an election. They also have the ability to program a certain percentage of people (Fox News stands out) into believe in certain things that are not true and stay angry and afraid.

mnhtnbb

(31,392 posts)
6. True. Very discouraging to see the concept of a democratic government
Sat Apr 8, 2017, 05:56 PM
Apr 2017

unraveling before our eyes.

I'm 66 and I do not recall ever being so disturbed about the future of the country. The minority has figured out how
to game the system and become very good at it.

TomVilmer

(1,832 posts)
8. That is how representative democracy works...
Sat Apr 8, 2017, 07:11 PM
Apr 2017

... and how it is supposed to work (except for the gerrymandering). Most Western democracies does it this way, to add a geographical factor to the voting - Germany, France, Great Britain... Without this, your big cities at the coasts would decide everything. I am not supporting the one method versus the other, just explaining a common misunderstanding...

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
30. Oh yeah? Exactly what part of the Senate is "how representative
Sun Apr 9, 2017, 09:57 AM
Apr 2017

democracy works"? Why should the state of Wyoming (which probably has more sheep than people) get the same number of Senators as the state of California?

TomVilmer

(1,832 posts)
31. To add a geographical factor to the voting!
Sun Apr 9, 2017, 10:26 AM
Apr 2017

Because democratic representation is so much more than just "one man, one vote" - the keyword being representation. If changed, the limited influence for Wyoming would become a big problem. There is no right way to do democracy, just compromises.

Many Democrats would like to change the presidential elections to a system with no geographical factor, which would nearly guarantee only Democrats could ever win. There is zero chance the Republicans would ever allow this. so stop wasting time...

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
32. The U.S. Senate is an antidiluvian (and profoundly anti-democratic)
Sun Apr 9, 2017, 10:58 AM
Apr 2017

throwback to antebellum days. Basically set up as a sop to slave state power, just like the electoral college. It's laughably absurd that Hillary could receive 3 million more votes than her nearest challenger and not be declared the 'victor' in anything presuming to call itself a 'representative democracy.'

TomVilmer

(1,832 posts)
33. That is exactly a 'representative democracy'
Sun Apr 9, 2017, 01:30 PM
Apr 2017

What you are longing for is not the existing 'representative democracy', because you obviously do not want the ''representative' parts like the electoral college, but a 'direct democracy' which is something very much different. You can easily find lots of good reading about this.

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
35. Sorry, the Senate is neither democratic nor representative, save in the loosest
Sun Apr 9, 2017, 03:46 PM
Apr 2017

Sense of each term. By way of contrast, the House is far more representative than the Senate.

TomVilmer

(1,832 posts)
48. I never claimed it was democratic...
Sun Apr 9, 2017, 05:12 PM
Apr 2017

... just that is what this system is called and defined as. Generally the US way of government has some good thoughts behind it, but the reality is silly in so many ways. In contrast at the presidential election in France right now, there are 11 official candidates, including a Ford factory worker, a Trotskyist high-school teacher, and a former shepherd. In a poll, voters judged the Communist the most convincing!

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
39. Silly us for wanting our vote to carry equal weight to every other American's
Sun Apr 9, 2017, 03:59 PM
Apr 2017

Last edited Sun Apr 9, 2017, 06:22 PM - Edit history (1)

vote.

Moostache

(9,895 posts)
12. Do not forget the media co-opt as part of this...
Sat Apr 8, 2017, 07:24 PM
Apr 2017

The right wing nuts on radio across the vast middle of the nation is a disgrace of propaganda and bullshit that never ends...

warmfeet

(3,321 posts)
13. All true.
Sat Apr 8, 2017, 08:13 PM
Apr 2017

The question is, what are we going to do about it? What do we do when confronted with an occupying force?

Alpeduez21

(1,751 posts)
14. RESIST!
Sat Apr 8, 2017, 10:11 PM
Apr 2017

Get your butt to the polls and vote. Make phone calls. Talk at town halls. Make your republican representatives job difficult.

Alice11111

(5,730 posts)
40. They don't care a whit. It is their strategy. Plans A through C.
Sun Apr 9, 2017, 04:00 PM
Apr 2017

It would have been interesting to see the RNCs emails. Now that Putin is pissed, he may get pissed enough to release them...via Wiki. It may be that there is too much damaging to him too, and he is already having uprisings.

Kauairobert

(1 post)
16. Gerrymandering
Sat Apr 8, 2017, 10:45 PM
Apr 2017

The key is to realize the GOP played the long game and now, even with historic low polling, they are safe.

They've done this at every level, federal, state and governors.

It's going to take time. And commitment to change.

liberalla

(9,249 posts)
18. I live in hope that once the Russian plot is proven and 45 is removed,
Sat Apr 8, 2017, 10:52 PM
Apr 2017

all of these actions and decisions that can be undone/fixed/changed... will be. We can't live with Putin's choice for a SCOTUS judge... ETC.

Alice11111

(5,730 posts)
41. You are placing a lot on HOPE, as the Repubs are investigating
Sun Apr 9, 2017, 04:07 PM
Apr 2017

themselves with those committees.
I hope your HOPE prevails, but the odds are not good.

Guilded Lilly

(5,591 posts)
29. Unfortunately, the very anti-humanity Right-wing...
Sun Apr 9, 2017, 09:40 AM
Apr 2017

in power control The Stupid, vocal and media magnet minority. It is a massive advantage.

The truly smart majority don't usually partake in the circus as readily. They aren't as vocal/yokel/open. They don't play "stupid" because they have more integrity, personal pride and, well,
Intelligence. They won't do the braindead dance. And they have something the Right in power don't have...a soul. People with soul have always been a target for those without one.

Sadly (and in the current situation especially) there are very smart but truly evil Right wing traitors who have used the gullibility and manipulative ease of the giant-public-farce-puppet-show of Stupid to control the media airwaves. They broadly distract while foreign powers infiltrate and internal traitors plot.

Thus we have had two of the dumbest-assed human males in political history as the head of their party in the White House while far more treacherous factions do their evil best to destroy the fibers of a Of the People By the People For the People nation. The first was a dimwit. The one now is a megalomaniac con-man Cretin.

Obama screwed up their plans. He corralled and inspired the majority soul and high road mentality in such numbers that they/we were unstoppable. Intelligence and soul won the day. (For TWO terms)

That really pissed off the assholes to no end. McConnell is the emperor of assholes. Payback is his life.

The Stupid didn't win this election, they just were enabled vociferously to do the frenetic public dance while the real foreign and domestic officers of this battle aligned their war plans of deceit and treason.

As we all so devastating have experienced, this battle will be a very very very tough gig. We HAVE to believe it is possible!

(Hugs to Cha)

Alice11111

(5,730 posts)
42. Well said. I think we are getting it now though.
Sun Apr 9, 2017, 04:19 PM
Apr 2017

People with souls have always been a target for those without souls. I agree with that. They target people without souls too though. They are EZ.

It is very hard for decent people to understand that many leaders of our country actively want to hurt others, even beyond the collateral damage done by their greedy natures. We think of these kinds of persons as being criminals, in prison. Many aren't though...they are just like McTurtle, Paul Ryan, Chaffetz,Trey Gowdy, Bannon, and the average stupid Trumpster. We are finally getting it though.

Kablooie

(18,634 posts)
23. American democracy has been systematically destroyed by the Republicans.
Sun Apr 9, 2017, 01:32 AM
Apr 2017

Unless there is an upsurge of Democratic voters in 2018, not only in the House but in state legislatures, Republicans will continue to completely control the government all through the 2020s at least.

Let's hope the consequences of 100% Republican governments hits home in rural America soon.

Alice11111

(5,730 posts)
44. It's a snowball effect. The more they control, the easier it
Sun Apr 9, 2017, 04:24 PM
Apr 2017

is to control more (for example, gerrymandering). Conversely, the harder it is for us to win. This took some long term planning on their part...Karl Rove, Fox news executives, Kochs, etc. Then, they got Citizens United, and it really snowballed.

This is not going to be easy. Dems need to realize that it is NOT a fair game anymore.

bronxiteforever

(9,287 posts)
26. Also treating the electoral college like it is normal to have two
Sun Apr 9, 2017, 08:26 AM
Apr 2017

Presidents within 16 years picked this way. Only 4 times has a Potus been selected by the electoral college when that potus lost a plurality of the popular vote.
We have had it with w and 45. There is something wrong with a system when the electoral college becomes the norm. ( at least for gopers).

Alice11111

(5,730 posts)
46. Really. It has to go. It may cause the breakup of the US.
Sun Apr 9, 2017, 04:35 PM
Apr 2017

California is sick of paying more than its share of taxes. Then, to have the Repubs roll back environmental regs and dictate other regressive laws, on top of that.
Insult to injury, the votes of more than a million Californians didn't count.

California and NY should use some leverage to get rid of the EC, which probably requires an Amendment. Very hard.

There is an inherent conflict between the 14th Amendment and the EC, which could mean the Sup Crt could get involved. Oh yeah, Gorsuch....

coco22

(1,258 posts)
27. Low population states ..
Sun Apr 9, 2017, 09:02 AM
Apr 2017

with ignorant people making decisions for the rest of us has always irritated me..Gohmert,Virginia Fox,Joe you lie Wilson,Inhofe,King,and on an on and on...

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
45. Nope. Democracy still rules. Its need for adjustment
Sun Apr 9, 2017, 04:26 PM
Apr 2017

has become more and more critical, but the democratic process still rules.

Btw, we REALLY, REALLY need to appreciate, revere, and protect it. No grabbing our ankles and whining about how it is lost. Or else.

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