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(32,733 posts)He was telling me about the evils of socialism and how bad the health system in Canada is, people dead from waiting and everyone coming to the U.S. for health care. I told him that was bull.
A guy comes in at that time from Canada. Very wealthy type person. Had a quarter million dollar antique car in his trailer. So, with the kid standing there, I asked him how he liked their health system and would he rather have ours. No way he said, our health system is great and almost everyone there loves it.
Kid hung his head and didn't say another word. I just said you have to ask people that live there what they think. Don't count on what you hear on FAUX news.
Lydia Leftcoast
(48,217 posts)to take a jaunt up to Canada and ask the first ten people they meet how they like their health care. No one has taken me up on it.
sinkingfeeling
(51,479 posts)shit attitude...?" Because that's where they learn it.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)Raster
(20,998 posts)Brought to you by VI-YAG-RA! "If you can't get it together, at least get it up."
Suji to Seoul
(2,035 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)leftyohiolib
(5,917 posts)perhaps you went to the wrong church. i know it's fashion on du to bash all religion as bad and all religious people as dolts but they arent (just in case you havent figured that out)
sinkingfeeling
(51,479 posts)ieoeja
(9,748 posts)If the guy did not get the idea that universal health-care is anti-Christian from his church, then from where do you suppose he is getting his religious instruction? I kinda thought most religious people learned their religion from their religious institutes.
demwing
(16,916 posts)Some go to church and sleep through it, explaining why they have no idea what constitutes the basic tenets of their "faith."
leftyohiolib
(5,917 posts)you dont have to use the word 'all' to mean all. suppose you saw a commercial that said come to chow-hound's country kitchen and get a free steak. now it didnt say all or everyone but my guess is that you'd think all who went there would get a steak.no qualifiers
as for u.h.c. being anti-Christian you can hear that on any right-wing talk radio or fox new it doesnt have to come from church
underseasurveyor
(6,428 posts)If that broadbrush doesn't include you then don't take it on as if it were aimed at you too. You know darn well what the OP meant. I know some (very few) really great Christians, in every sense of the meaning of that word. They don't brag or insist on shoving religion down anyone's throat or stand on a box demanding recognition for the good things they do. On the other hand most of the rest I've ever met are self-righteous, hypocritical idiots.
God this petty self-ego-me crap gets old.
Zoeisright
(8,339 posts)People who get their knickers in a twist over stuff like that are protesting too much.
Curmudgeoness
(18,219 posts)"Nick" was obviously claiming to be a Christian, and "Nick" was the one who that statement was addressed to. And it made sense.
Are you just looking for something to be upset about?
Skittles
(153,212 posts)there is no denying that a lot of bullshit people "learn" comes from churches - no denying that at ALL
Zoeisright
(8,339 posts)There are very, very, VERY few churches that actually practice the words of Jesus Christ. The vast majority of "Christians" I have known in my five decades on this earth have been selfish, mean, greedy, judgmental, and cruel. And I've known thousands of them.
calimary
(81,527 posts)I can't understand it. Just can't! You'd think people calling themselves Christian would be militant about making sure all the needy in our country are taken care of. The whole "am I my brother's keeper?" thing - you'd think they'd all take it to heart. Wasn't that the mission we were all given? To love our neighbors as ourselves? One of the mere two basic commandments given by Jesus? To care for the least of His brethren? Aren't we supposed to be about that, if we call ourselves Christian? I honestly don't know what kind of "Savior" they're following sometimes. It isn't the Jesus I recognize from what the nuns taught us.
Really disappointing. I am so disappointed in my fellow man sometimes. What the HELL are they thinking (besides ME ME ME, and Screw You, all the time, that is)???
Just realized something - the first half of "mean" is ME. Most instructive.
ohheckyeah
(9,314 posts)I'm a Christian and I quit going to church because even the ones who don't believe all the right wing crap don't have the guts to stand up and challenge it. The church in the U.S. in particular is an abomination. I've walked out of more churches than I can count and I've challenged them on their beliefs but I'm one of the few in this area who will.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)"Because that's where they learn it. .."
I imagine many people may even believe that to be true...
demosincebirth
(12,544 posts)riverbendviewgal
(4,254 posts)that this universal health care is something to fight to KEEP.
Many people were not crazy to get this when it started in the sixties, now we all love it.
It is a great load off our minds to go to doctors and hospitals for treatments and not worry about medical bills. And we go when we are first starting to see symptoms, which keeps the costs down and helps us live longer.
I noticed that Rommey is going to Israel this summer. Israel has health care too. Everyone MUST have it. see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_Israel
I think Jesus would like the new health care bill, but would probably say "you could do better".
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Raster
(20,998 posts)Thank you, President Obama. This is a good start. But OUR work is not finished.
We can do better.
whathehell
(29,096 posts)is a full time job, it seems.
liberalhistorian
(20,819 posts)As a Christian, I've been extremely disturbed by the individualistic, me-first, hateful attitude of many who claim to be "Christians" regarding not just the ACA but ANY kind of health care assistance. It's simply never made any sense to me at all. I like to ask them where it says that Jesus asked for an insurance card or money before healing people, they never have a good answer because there isn't one.
I think I'm just gonna boil it down to that final question the Australian asked: "How do you go to church on Sundays and maintain this shit attitude toward those less fortunate?" Yep, that about says it all!!
freshwest
(53,661 posts)Wounded Bear
(58,730 posts)Lot of words there, you know. Seems doubtful.
Skittles
(153,212 posts)yes INDEED
SunSeeker
(51,744 posts)Love it!
Smilo
(1,944 posts)- and like so many others can not see the wood for the trees - he is denouncing ACA and the possibility of medicare for all yet in the long run it would save him big $.
These people on the right are so bigoted towards the man in the WH they will never admit that he has done a good thing.
pansypoo53219
(21,004 posts)its anti-competitive vs europe w/ has govt run health coverage. not like you get anything for what you PAY to insurance.
but no, zombie joe mccarthy. and socialism =commies bullshit.
xxqqqzme
(14,887 posts)n/t
indepat
(20,899 posts)philosophy and agenda which promotes corporate welfare and welfare for the wealthy rather than the general welfare.
Beartracks
(12,821 posts)BlueJazz
(25,348 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)Go mate!
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)STAY OUT OF THIS!!! YOU AREN'T EVEN AN AMERICAN!!! WHY DO YOU CARE?!! YOU LIVE IN A SHIT COUNTRY AMERICA COULD BUY AND SELL BUT NOBODY WOULD WANT TO BUY IT!!! WAS YOUR DAD A KANGAROO OR WAS IT YOUR MOM?!!
......etc..... (all caps)
lob1
(3,820 posts)Have you been to some commie pinko public school or something?
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)So funny! You can't possibly be a teabagger! You know how to spell!
Skittles
(153,212 posts)yes INDEED
Rain Mcloud
(812 posts)tex-wyo-dem
(3,190 posts)"Your fundamental ethics and your obligation to your fellow man."
That is fundamentally the problem: RWers don't have true ethics and don't really feel an obligation to their fellow man. It's all about them...everyone should just fend for themselves. It's all that Ayn Rand horseshit they like to espouse.
Funny thing is that when things go wrong, RWers are the first ones in line for all that socialized government assistance.