IOW, the exercise is meaningless and the House is continuing to waste taxpayer money grandstandiing instead of addressing real problems with real solutions. How does this help the economy recover? How does this help create JOBS! I think Dems really need to hit this point HARD.

"...and be signed by President Obama to become law."

Thus negating the tabloid headlines and "reporting" from the media who push this crap as a done deal.

Headline should have said, "House set to pass meaningless BS, again!"

spine.

It is the campaign season. Use it!

Sickening.

I think I'll make that a bumpersticker

Attacking the President and doing nothing about job creation and rebuilding the infrastructure of this Country. Grandstanding is about right. The GOP is the Party of NO.

can pay for their health care. What is wrong with these idiots?

Unfortunately the GOP AGENDA is extremely against anything the Democrats or President wants for our Country. I am really aghast at the things that they say.

The reason that nothing is passed in Congress is that the GOP will vote anything progressive down. The recent economy is nothing but obstructionism from the RIGHT.

Arrogant and worthless - every single one of those House Republicans and YES - and Democratic members that vote for this.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=891855

As long as they are enriched, screw the rest of the world any way they can.

I agree, there are a lot of people that don't like a light to be shed upon shenanigans. I missed this thread yesterday, thanks for posting it here.

(excuse me for a moment, I have a K&R to make)

Excellent post.

average employee have any idea how much healthcare costs? For a whole year, even
modest employer contributions would look like a lot. Or, are you saying that
the undercover perks are so rampant, that there will be companies showing very little
net cost expended, which will be totally obvious to all?

The carpenters who worked for my father in-law thought my FIL was the greatest guy in the world. They worshipped the ground he walked on. They all wanted to be pallbearers at his funeral. He told them that any increases in their health care costs and their coverage getting crappier was entirely the Democrats or the insurance companies fault. And they believed him because they trusted him. They had no other choice but to trust him back then because they had no way to check.

If all along his employees were able to actually see what their insurance premiums cost minus the perks my FIL was recieving on their W-2 this scam would have never worked.

In other words if he told them he was going to have to deduct $12,000 a year from their weekly paychecks for their crappy insurance and then they received their W-2 forms at the end of the year and discovered that minus the perks my FIL received their premiums would have in fact cost only $6,000 per year they would have noticed that discrepancy. They would have questioned why he was charging them $12,000 a year for something he was only paying $6,000 per year for.

Did I explain that well enough?

Don

than them having to show what they contributed, which is what I thought you meant. In your
example, the total cost would be $18k. that is the way I was looking at it.

so, that is very interesting.

charging up your pants leg. Yappy dogs you can shoo away.

It Knows Will Never Clear the Senate".

.. the better. As long as it's presented honestly in the MSM..

Telling the truth about GOP obstructionism would lack "balance".

Bunch of grandstanding ignorant ass-carrot fucktards...

quit wasting time and get to work.!

Do we really want teabaggers and republicans to actually try to do something about the economy and jobs? You know, they could seriously fuck it up more than it is now.

I suggest we furlough them and outsource their jobs. They waste taxpayer time and money passing a law to repeal the ACA, now trying to defund it, etc. They continue to introduce and pass legislation about abortions, taking away women's rights, obstructing progress on gay civil rights, etc. And we pay them to do this crap?

This bill has no chance of going anywhere. This is just theatrics for their tea-bagging, knuckle-dragging, no-fork-family-tree, sibling-marrying base.

I'm new to this forum and an independent. Does anyone know if the country can actually afford this? If so how?

Do you know how much we are saving just by some of the plans implemented with younger kids being allowed to stay on their parents plans and medicare prescription plan finally being fixed?



Who do you think pays for emergency room visits from uninsured Americans who wait too long to get treatment? That Medicare prescription plan that George Bush created was a nightmare - he didn't allow for negotiations for pricing from the pharmaceutical companies and that donut hole meant that seniors were forced to either pay for their full price prescriptions or go without and hope for the best.

We can't afford to not do something about healthcare!

Looks like a lot of savings. Have to admit it's hard to trust whomever wrote it though. For example "Cracking down on fraud and abuse etc......", shouldn't they be doing that anyways? I also heard that only 1% are taking advantage of that under 26 rule. Maybe it's a good thing though. Don't know I guess. Just never seen a government program not get bogged down with bureaucracy and not hit projections. I'm actually happy with my insurance plan I have now but won't this make my insurance rates go up and or force some companies to go out of business since they can't deny people even if they have prior health problems?

http://www.healthcare.gov/law/resources/reports/affordablecareact.html

Summary

The Affordable Care Act makes many changes to strengthen Medicare and provide stronger benefits to seniors, while slowing cost growth. As a result, average Medicare beneficiary savings in traditional Medicare will be approximately $3,500 over the next ten years. Beneficiaries who have high prescription drug spending will save much more – as much as $12,300 over the next 10 years. In comparison, Medicare beneficiaries with low drug costs will save an average of $2,400 over 10 years.

This report provides estimates of savings from the Affordable Care Act to seniors and people living with disabilities enrolled in traditional Medicare. The Affordable Care Act will favorably affect beneficiary expenditures in four ways. First, premiums for Part B physician and certain other services are expected to increase at a slower rate than would have occurred without the Affordable Care Act, resulting in lower Part B premiums over time. Second, beneficiary copayments and coinsurance under Part A and B will increase more slowly because the Affordable Care Act slows the rate of growth in payments to hospitals and other providers. Third, closing the Medicare prescription drug coverage gap, often called the “donut hole,” will lower costs for beneficiaries who otherwise would have been required to spend thousands of dollars out of their own pocket for their prescription drugs. Finally, the Affordable Care Act will provide many preventive services to seniors at no additional cost.

The Affordable Care Act will save approximately $500 billion over the next ten years through reduction in extra subsidies paid to Medicare Advantage plans, reductions in the rate of growth in provider payments, and efforts to make the Medicare program more efficient and to reduce waste, fraud and abuse. These reductions will lead to corresponding savings for beneficiaries through lower copayments and premiums. A slower rate of growth in Medicare is expected to result in a slower rate of growth in beneficiary out-of-pocket payments, and a slower rate of growth in Part B premiums. In addition, the closing of the donut hole will result in large savings for beneficiaries with high levels of prescription drug spending.

more detailed data at link ~ pinto

and that's not including about 4-5 GOP members in DC who are covering their kids.

(That is, the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patient_Protection_and_Affordable_Care_Act#CBO_deficit_reduction_estimates

That's a lot of big estimates over a long period of time. So I'm 43 and healthy. What are the chances that my premiums will go up or down because of this?

And don't forget about this provision that kicks in now:



If you don't have a provider, here's a calculator:
http://healthreform.kff.org/SubsidyCalculator.aspx

instead of this (*#%ing grandstanding!

It seems like they waste a lot of time passing shit they know isn't going anywhere.

We need to sweep them away in November.

All they are doing now is passing things that will just sit, just so they can go home and say "well we passed (fill in blank) and the Senate didn't do jack with it". I'm not sure how that'll play this year, since many repubs aren't behind many of the things they are passing, just the extremists of the party.

and probably will be unfunded thanks to the House Republicans.

More reason to throw these Teabaglicans out this November!

this would have to be done at the Senate and then by the President, unless somehow, they got veto

DO SOMETHING REAL!

Where are the jobs bills? Where are the economic incentives? Why are the Rethugs only interested in transvaginal probes and limiting peoples' access to healthcare? I thought freedom of life as guaranteed by the constitution would necessitate the ability to get healthcare . . .no?

wasting taxpayers money. I hope Americans get off their prescription drugs and sports addictions long enough to vote these T-bagging terrorist out of office.

and that's pretty much what this house has done....nothing.

It's going nowhere.

I find it unbelievable that the GOP is working hard to stop health care for those uninsured. These lovely folks have health care when they become Senators and Congressmen yet they do not want some 20 million uninsured citizens the same.

These men and women are not in Washington to help a single citizen unless they just maybe Zillionairs.

There real Agenda is to attack our President and Mr Holder and that's the GOP Agenda. No health care for those in need and no tax increases for the yacht or private jet owners.

Yes sir vote for the GOP and what you see and hear is what you will get. A LOT OF NOTHING.

This will NEVER pass the Senate or a Veto. He's just wasting taxpayer money and time by pushing it forward.