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DemocratSinceBirth

(99,711 posts)
Sat Apr 22, 2017, 11:09 AM Apr 2017

Comey did more to defeat Hillary than Putin or Trump. No book worth its salt can deny that !

Last edited Sat Apr 22, 2017, 11:42 AM - Edit history (1)

There is much discussion of Jonathan Allen's and Amie Parnes ' book Shattered which is an autopsy of the Clinton campaign. I am an avid sports fan so I normally eschew post hoc explanations for losses which usually focus on injuries and/or the referees. But in this instance there is definitely a "there" there. Did she make mistakes? I am sure she did. Did her campaigns make mistakes? I am sure they did. However she won the pop vote by some 3,000,000 votes and lost the archaic Electoral College by some 70,000 votes. That Electoral College loss is painfully close. Trump was dead in the water after the pu$$y grabbing brouhaha. He needed a freaking miracle and Comey's revelation that he was reopening the Clinton investigation was that miracle.

This is self evident. What if Comey had revealed at the same time Trump was being investigated for colluding with the Russians which he had proof of?

I am sure it's an interesting book. I enjoyed Allen's book HRC. But It too early and painful to read. You will never convince me that Comey publicizing Hillary's investigation while ignoring Trump's more consequential one didn't tip the balance. Looked at it in its worst light Hillary acted carelessly, Trump acted traitorously.

On edit- On the bright side if Trump is really a pinata that is eminently and easily beatable by anybody we should easily be able to kick the GOP's asses in 018 and his ass in 020

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Comey did more to defeat Hillary than Putin or Trump. No book worth its salt can deny that ! (Original Post) DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2017 OP
Basically agree. But one had to be open to idea that the email stuff was bad. Hoyt Apr 2017 #1
It only makes me sad and mad. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2017 #3
I agree. In fact, I think being investigated for ties to Russia is much worse than alleged misuse Hoyt Apr 2017 #18
Personally heaven05 Apr 2017 #19
The book's thesis is bs. Every campaign makes good decisions and poor ones. brush Apr 2017 #31
I agree but why was the toxic Weiner anywhere near Voltaire2 Apr 2017 #2
They were grasping for anything 2naSalit Apr 2017 #4
He really wasn't. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2017 #5
I get that he was just married to her Voltaire2 Apr 2017 #15
Did Comey leak that letter or did Chaffetz? LaydeeBug Apr 2017 #6
+1. The right question. FreepFryer Apr 2017 #8
Chaffetz Sculpin Beauregard Apr 2017 #9
Apparently it was Chaffetz, which some say was a violation of federal law. George II Apr 2017 #20
This right here. nt LaydeeBug Apr 2017 #33
Let's be real. Comey is not naive. He knew the letter would not stop with Chaffetz brush Apr 2017 #34
Russian propaganda being pushed by Russian trolls. JTFrog Apr 2017 #7
The wikileaks weren't helpful but Comey's revelations ten days before the campaign... DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2017 #11
Russia's involvement goes far beyond wikileaks. nt JTFrog Apr 2017 #13
"Shattered" is Merely Misogyny Disguised As Thoughtful Journalistic Analysis dlk Apr 2017 #10
Excellent post, K&R, +1. (eom) StevieM Apr 2017 #25
+1000 ismnotwasm Apr 2017 #29
K&R! stonecutter357 Apr 2017 #12
You are ansolutely right DBS. I suggest the reason much of the media tried to distract from that is still_one Apr 2017 #14
That is horrifying, but I believe you are correct. MoonRiver Apr 2017 #16
+1 uponit7771 Apr 2017 #17
10-4 on "GOP asses and his ass" heaven05 Apr 2017 #21
KnR Hekate Apr 2017 #22
This just totally pisses me off. DK504 Apr 2017 #23
Their book is a total disgrace designed to deceive people, just like our illustrious FBI. (eom) StevieM Apr 2017 #26
the media, the media, the media...if not Comey, would it have been something else? nt JCanete Apr 2017 #24
Excellent post. I have been saying for a long time that Comey and the FBI were a much bigger deal StevieM Apr 2017 #27
How many primary challengers did Trump beat-15? 16? delisen Apr 2017 #28
I will never fully exonerate Comey for his part in bringing down Hillary Mr. Ected Apr 2017 #30
Most people believe what they want to believe and it just takes a feather to push them over. nikibatts Apr 2017 #32
 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
1. Basically agree. But one had to be open to idea that the email stuff was bad.
Sat Apr 22, 2017, 11:17 AM
Apr 2017

Even if every bit of the email accusations were true, it was not that big a deal, especially compared to the crud Trump has done and would do as Prez.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,711 posts)
3. It only makes me sad and mad.
Sat Apr 22, 2017, 11:24 AM
Apr 2017

If Comey wanted to be transparent he should have said they were both under investigation which they were.

I feel sorry for Hillary. I feel infinitely more sorry for our nation.

At the end of the day the author's thesis is that if she was a better candidate and had a better team she would have won despite Comey's shenanigans. IMHO, it is impossible to underestimate the effects of his revelations coming so close to the election. That is exactly why the DOJ strongly discourages such revelations.


 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
18. I agree. In fact, I think being investigated for ties to Russia is much worse than alleged misuse
Sat Apr 22, 2017, 12:56 PM
Apr 2017

of email.

Personally, I think the ignorant white wingers went for someone who was spouting the kind of hatred they have been searching for in a candidate.

brush

(53,841 posts)
31. The book's thesis is bs. Every campaign makes good decisions and poor ones.
Sat Apr 22, 2017, 02:54 PM
Apr 2017

Clinton defeated a much stronger opponent in Sanders in the primaries than trump had to deal with. She won all the GE debates. Her oppo research crew had the trump campaign on the ropes and reeling (Access Hollywood grope tape) until Oct. 28, 2016 and we all know what happened then.

What I'm beginning too wonder is if there is a vast right/centrist/left wing conspiracy piling on Hillary as having run such a disastrous campaign that it couldn't help but lose so they can avoid acknowledging the huge elephant in the room that is the Comey/Putin/Assange/Interstate Crosscheck nexus that stole the damn election.

You see it in books, newspaper and magazine articles, on web sites, many cable pundits are called on to rattle off their bulleted lists of why Clinton lost, you hear it on satellite radio (just yesterday Eleanor Cliff was on the Michaelangelo Senorile show doing that exactly), and none of them ever mention Comey/Putin/Assange/Interstate Crosscheck. It's a total news blackout on the real reasons trump "won" despite having lost by 3m votes.

Why is that? The election was stolen.

What are these people up to, trying to normalize trump and his campaign so that we all just accept the theft? Is that a thing we, the US, does when elections are stolen — Gore in 2000, Kerry in 2004 — we're just supposed to roll over and take it and write books and articles and such to cover it up?

It's totally frustrating to me that no one talks about the real reasons for the lost, the prime and most direct one being Comey coming out with announcing a new investigation on Clinton and not announcing his investigation on trump as well.

They know what really happened just as we do. They don't even have to say the election was "stolen" if they want to be journalistically "safe", just at least cite that Comey only divulged one investigation that the FBI was conducting and not the parallel one of trump as a huge reason for the outcome of the election.

2naSalit

(86,775 posts)
4. They were grasping for anything
Sat Apr 22, 2017, 11:27 AM
Apr 2017

and his being married to HRC's personal admin assistant was all they had.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,711 posts)
5. He really wasn't.
Sat Apr 22, 2017, 11:29 AM
Apr 2017

That cretin just happened to be married to Huma Abedin, Hillary's closest confidante. Should Hillary have thrown a friend under the bus ? In retrospect it would have been better for the nation if she did. Could I throw a friend under the bus? That's a tough one.

Here's the freaking money shot. They found bupkis on Wiener's computer that tied him to Hillary. Comey announced that too but it was too late.

Voltaire2

(13,135 posts)
15. I get that he was just married to her
Sat Apr 22, 2017, 12:05 PM
Apr 2017

but one would think that after experiencing the non-stop assault on the Clintons from 92-2000, and knowing that she was in for more of the same, anyone with even a whiff of impropriety would have to be removed from the campaign team. Sure it would have been unfair to Abedin, but there was too much at stake to be concerned with that.

 

JTFrog

(14,274 posts)
7. Russian propaganda being pushed by Russian trolls.
Sat Apr 22, 2017, 11:30 AM
Apr 2017

I don't trust anyone running around saying good things about this book.

Period.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,711 posts)
11. The wikileaks weren't helpful but Comey's revelations ten days before the campaign...
Sat Apr 22, 2017, 11:39 AM
Apr 2017

The wikileaks weren't helpful but Comey's revelations ten days before the campaign was the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back.

Jonathan Allen's book HRC was a great read. Any way I guess it's easy to say someone lost because they suck.

dlk

(11,575 posts)
10. "Shattered" is Merely Misogyny Disguised As Thoughtful Journalistic Analysis
Sat Apr 22, 2017, 11:38 AM
Apr 2017

The endless misogyny hurled at Hillary Clinton throughout her campaign was beyond breathtaking for a purportedly first world society. "Shattered" is just another moneymaking enterprise based on such. No thanks!

still_one

(92,378 posts)
14. You are ansolutely right DBS. I suggest the reason much of the media tried to distract from that is
Sat Apr 22, 2017, 11:54 AM
Apr 2017

because they were part of it

When Comey sent the email letter to the republicans in congress, MSNBC was the first network to report that the FBI had reopened the email investigation. That was a LIE. For the next two hours MSNBC then proceeded every right wing politician across its screen propagating that lie. It wasn't long before every news outlet was propagating the same LIE

They are as culpable as Comey, maybe even more because they knew that letter didn't mean the email investigation was reopened

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
21. 10-4 on "GOP asses and his ass"
Sat Apr 22, 2017, 02:07 PM
Apr 2017

Comey did what I have no doubt was an attempt to steer the election away from the popularity, as shown by the polls at the time, of HRC, which the despicable deplorables, their congressional helpers and all the MSM ate up. No coincidence, any thinking person knows it was obvious and why do you think this 'investigation' of the trumpchump-russian connection is taking so very long to even reveal. Comey is in this sordid political debacle up to his neck. He is a compromised republiKKKan.

DK504

(3,847 posts)
23. This just totally pisses me off.
Sat Apr 22, 2017, 02:20 PM
Apr 2017

I am horrified that this hit piece is getting any traction. Hillary was up double digits before Comey TANKED the election.

If anything Hillary got stronger throughout the campaign, the gossip-y aspect to this book is another way to hurt and humiliate her.These so called writers want to talk about HRC losing her temper, 'cause NO politician has EVER lost their temper.

I give this big big FU of a review.

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
26. Their book is a total disgrace designed to deceive people, just like our illustrious FBI. (eom)
Sat Apr 22, 2017, 02:28 PM
Apr 2017

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
27. Excellent post. I have been saying for a long time that Comey and the FBI were a much bigger deal
Sat Apr 22, 2017, 02:30 PM
Apr 2017

than Putin and Wikileaks. They were more important than every other factor combined.

Comey started rigging this race back in 2015 and he never let up.

Mr. Ected

(9,670 posts)
30. I will never fully exonerate Comey for his part in bringing down Hillary
Sat Apr 22, 2017, 02:43 PM
Apr 2017

But I believe the entire story about Trump's collusion with the Russians has yet to be told, and heretofore unknown (to us) information will somewhat explain away why Comey did what he did.

Mind you, Trump has been in the crosshairs of an international IC investigation since long before he announced his candidacy. There were moles in his organization, spies (Sater) who could not be compromised, and therefore, Trump's felonies could not yet be brought to light.

If the day comes that the hammer falls and Trump is perp-marched out of the White House, then and only then can we begin to judge the course of events that led us to this point.

I understand Comey is a Republican and apparently has had it out for the Clintons for a long time. But I also want to believe that he is spearheading a non-partisan investigation that may well clear the decks of Russian Congressmen and Trump cronies. Time will tell.

 

nikibatts

(2,198 posts)
32. Most people believe what they want to believe and it just takes a feather to push them over.
Sat Apr 22, 2017, 03:06 PM
Apr 2017

Anyone with any sense at all and just a modicum of fairness could see that the e-mail fake scandal was just that. HRC was not found guilty of any crime nor was her server hacked while servers all over the government were being hacked left and right and even in Congress. Benghazi itself was a fake scandal that could only be nourished and grow from the seeds of hate, envy, and misogyny of racist, sexist men and women of the clandestine alt-right. Their feelings and positions are hidden, denied, and even unrecognized by themselves and others.

Bill and Hillary Clinton are among the most hated by these people and if you want to know why just look at who surrounded them and with whom they surrounded themselves when Bill first came into office.

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