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Lint Head

(15,064 posts)
Sat Apr 22, 2017, 08:06 PM Apr 2017

I've been curious about this for a while. Are there any subversive

groups or signs of folks in the US who are willing to fight and die to save or democratic republic within our own borders? I don't mean white supremacist militias or anarchists.

History has shown that to be true in other countries and some groups like that sprung up in the 60s. If course we were not under spreading fascism at that time. Just an unjust war and the justified peaceful demonstrations for equality. But even then people were willing to be beaten and even killed for the cause. MLK has always been a major hero of mine.

Peace is almost always the best way but when there comes the exception and it's 'do or die' is there anyone who would be willing to do so? The Warsaw Ghetto uprising is one example.

I realize we are not there yet in any way shape or form. But to think this could not eventually be a situation that should not be pondered is at least a Fool's errand.

Again, I'm exercising curiosity and wondering what others think. Not calling for violence. And I do consider myself part of the peacegul resistance.

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guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
1. Certain Communist groups talk about the coming struggle.
Sat Apr 22, 2017, 08:10 PM
Apr 2017

As did some leftist groups in the 1960s, but this particular fantasy seems to be more popular on the far right.

Lint Head

(15,064 posts)
2. True. They fear a One World Government all the while it seems Trump
Sat Apr 22, 2017, 08:12 PM
Apr 2017

and Putin want to create one. I am skeptical anytime I hear Trump or any one of his pals speak negatively of Russia.

BigOleDummy

(2,270 posts)
3. If
Sat Apr 22, 2017, 08:17 PM
Apr 2017

... there is I haven't heard of it or them. The Anarchists are the closest I've heard. You must have read my mind though...... been thinking for the last few days , where are the Weathermen? Where are the SDS? Where are the Yippies now when we need them again. I really think its just a matter of time until the next generation of Freedom fighters emerge. You can only take so much. There IS such a thing as Righteous Rage and eventually it will boil over. I BELIEVE this.

Yes, peaceful means are the preferred method but when peace is met with war, when tolerance is met with discrimination, when facts are met with lies, when hope turns to despair people WILL rise up.

 

wasupaloopa

(4,516 posts)
5. I grew up in the sixties and I really doubt people today will "rise up"
Sat Apr 22, 2017, 09:18 PM
Apr 2017

In the sixties we had music and underground media that tied us together. News was not a profit center so it could be objective.

The right learned from that and created conservative talk that appealed to those that adored authority.

I am old now and do not know if anything ties young people together but it seems to me that we were about social issues and today they are about economic issues.

It is easier to be willing to die for the rights of others who come after you but not so easy to be willing to die for some economic principal that you yourself would not benefit from.

Today I took part in a march for science. There were hundreds of people of all ages. A surprising number were older people like me.

I felt that there are more people who lean left than right but we don't have the tools to grab power that they do.

I think that if people were to rise up now there would need to be less greed hate and ignorance and more generosity empathy and wisdom. I just don't see us doing that as a society.

MedusaX

(1,129 posts)
4. Whether fact or fiction... 45 & his pals sure as hell think there might be..
Sat Apr 22, 2017, 08:46 PM
Apr 2017

That's why they hyperfocus on police empowerment, cracking down on imaginary hotbeds of crime, preparing ICE to become the Relocation Force for all Disobedient Civilians, elimination of all transparency & standard public information resources, etc.....

Gov. can only go so far in the infringement of individuals' rights....
at some point, a certain portion of the population will simply Choose to acquiesce ...

And the rest will be mad as hell & decide they ain't gonna take it anymore.....
at which point they will actively seek to regain those rights...
by any means necessary.

Triloon

(506 posts)
6. Off hand I can think of a few groups who have put their bodies on the line.
Sat Apr 22, 2017, 10:45 PM
Apr 2017

Greenpeace, Sea Shepherd, Occupy, Idle No More, Black Lives Matter, NoDapl ... There are others, but why have these peoples struggle been forgotten or ignored so quickly? They have all suffered grievous injury while standing fearlessly in the way of repression and criminal over-exploitation. And the anarchists. The anarchists of today are no different from the anarchists of the past, including the Yippies and the Wobblies. They should not be dismissed with such easy contempt. The point is, there is no reason to wait for a group to appear that will absorb physical struggle into their tactics of resistance. They are here, they have never been gone.
But maybe I've read you wrong, maybe you're asking about groups that are willing to raise weapons to kill their fellow Americans for politics. Well, no one who takes such things seriously will admit to such a willingness, not on the open internet for sure. But I hope that wasn't what you were asking about. It's a good way to someday meet an undercover FBI agent who's happy to show you how to make a bomb, just before he puts the shackles on you for trying to make a bomb.
But aside from that nonsense, there are many groups that have demonstrated their willingness to put their bodies on the gears to stop the machine, we just have to recognize them in that light.
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Lint Head

(15,064 posts)
7. I've been around a long time and know very well about all the groups you mentioned.
Sun Apr 23, 2017, 12:34 AM
Apr 2017

They have not been forgotten but the point of my post was not to list all groups past or present. But to Simply inquire as to whose those groups or who those people might be. Dying for politics is not what I'm talking about.

Politics requires compromise. Politicking as a verb means to communicate and sway. Not to bulldoze. But as we all know politics can kill as it did during the Vietnam war. As it did in Iraq. As it has done in Afghanistan.

Of course no real freedom fighter or subversive would want to expose themselves. So I feel safe speculating out loud.

I'm not advocating violence as I said in the post. I'm curious. Greenpeace is not fighting fascism. Greenpeace is trying to save the environment. It's one part of the fight. Yippies is a word I haven't heard since the late sixties early sebenties. This is 2017. Whoever thought a sexual predator bigoted racist whose ideas skirt fascism would ever be elected as president of the United States. That's who we're dealing with. And probably dementia on top of that.

If this man is president for 4 years and accomplishes even half of what he says you can forget about the FBI because you will be dealing with privately contracted soldiers who have the go ahead to torture. General Mattis is one man. And as we have found out during the election there are pro Trump factions even within the FBI. And I'm sure some of those folks do not want to be exposed.

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