And when we enter swinging to fight our corner, we empower them.

The right wing seems to know no national boundaries these days, and yet they appeal to the worst nationalists. Go figure!

into their hands.

which have been popping up like toadstools all of a sudden. Whether they come from Russian trolls or just obsessive DUers who have to beat their dead horses, they are really cluttering up the place. I've started hiding the "But... Bernie!!" posts.

We know that Russian trolls will use targeted social media actions to influence people.

If they have a list of prominent DUers who do and don't like Bernie, they could be tweeting at them or sending them content on facebook to get them to post here.

It will have much less impact.

I had two people on Ignore a month ago now a couple of dozen.
I've probably trashed more threads in the last two months than the previous 15 years.
Good to see people agreeing on this.

But I have just one more thing to say about Bernie vs. Hillary....

This thread should be locked

They would be working both sides of the BS / HRC divide. I've long suspected that. I've suspected that some of the "Berniebros" are fascist trolls who oppose progressive activists and who oppose the fact that BS is reaching working-class whites. I suspect it because I've argued with them online and their posting style is very similar to the far-right chan people I've encountered. I've also suspected that the attacks on HRC are by racist sexist homophobes.

What the Russians want is for the U.S. to be more like Russia - repressive, unequal, undemocratic, and grossly favorable to the rich. They're going to oppose both candidates.

Warner confirmed that Russia was trying to divide Democrats on Bernie/HRC.

you will see that one side is made up mostly of low-count, recently registered posters, and that the other side is made up mostly of long-time DUers who registered over a decade ago.

When the other side attacks, some of us feel we need to defend ourselves. I don't see a simple solution, unless Skinner decides to ban threads he considers disruptive.

This whole thing could be cooled down significantly if a widely-admired politician could bring himself to stop attacking the Democratic Party and demanding that Democrats throw women and minorities under the bus in an attempt to gain the votes of Trump-loving anti-choicers. I'm sorry, but that sort of thing just rubs some of us the wrong way.

ETA: I see that at least one thread was started by someone who joined this year. I've put that person on ignore.

throw women under the bus--that would be bad. Please show me a quote of that
demand. Otherwise, that's just unneeded hyperbole.

but supports the laws defending it? Is that different from Biden?
From many other Democrats?

Why didn't you highlight that part?

Why is the working class not being thrown under the bus the way women are? Why is a Democrat who accepts money from banks is not acceptable but a Democrat who thinks women should not have the right to determine what happens to their bodies is? Do you really not see the problem with campaigning for the latter but refusing to campaign for the former?

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/329927-sanders-endorses-ossoff-but-wont-call-him-a-progressive

Never forget that Senator Sanders did come around and endorse Hillary Clinton in the general election. So at least for him, that pragmatic streak does run both ways - at least when Democrats are up against Republicans. He himself isn't insisting on 110% ideological purity.

I do agree that Senator Sanders does, in the primary, push the idea that his views are the only moral ones, and that excessive bashing of Democrats on his campaign's part can harm the winner in the fall. I am especially disappointed in the whole DNC conspiracy theory that somehow a handful of snarky emails sent in private by DNC staffers fed up with attacks on them, were why he didn't resonate with the 3 million Democratic primary voters he lost by.

But at the end of the day, it's really not him, or even the significant majority of Sanders supporters who are the problem, but rather the "Jackpine Radical" Green-Teabagger types, who seem to be angrier at Democrats than they are Republicans. But Sanders should be lauded for his tent-broadening, not bashed, I feel. Not attacked.

I really suggest you do some research.

If that's not throwing women under the bus, I don't know what is.

More divisiveness. Pure and simple.

We need the Senate and House. That is our priority, or should be.

First, I don't see him being singled out. I see no other candidate at this time that is sponsoring anti women legislation. As a woman that bothers me.

The very paragraph after the one I quoted reads:

That may not be a ringing endorsement of choice, but many other prominent
Dems feel the same way. Like Kaine, HRC's choice for VP.

As posted above, she feels quite differently about the positions of Mello and Kaine.

abortion, for religious or whatever grounds, they may still be able to
enforce the laws.

Nothing anyone else has said here has changed my mind.

Where have I heard that before?

Trump vs. Democrats or Bernie vs. Hillary (a/k/a Dead Horse)?

This is sickening. If it were any other minority whose rights were being abandoned, people would be up in arms. But once again, since it's women who are being thrown under the bus, we are supposed to shut up and go away. Standing up for our rights is considered "trolling".

That was brilliant.

The OPer is going on my ignore list!

ETA: Three posts hidden in the last 90 days, too!

I know there are assigned IP addresses that are particular to each country. Couldn't a developer block those ip addresses? Unless they can find a way to go around and mask their identity,google, Facebook etc should develop an algorithm to recognize they are paid provokers.

i admit I still feel like a simpleton making this comment.

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existed, the countries in its 'sphere of influence' were called 'the Eastern Bloc.'

This included Poland, what was once Yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia, Bulgaria, Romania, Hungary and East Germany.

(1) Even if people are posting here from Russia, they are likely using hacked computers in the US to route traffic through, so it looks like they have a US IP.

(2) If an entity that wants to poison DU has members' info, they could target those members here or elsewhere (facebook, twitter) with false info or propagandized reports to mislead them about what Bernie really said or what he's focusing on (without telling lies). Then those posters might come here and post a lot about it. Goal achieved.

There's a bunch.

You have a lot of f*cking never posting this.

Websites are so riddled with advertisement and shitbait that it's not even fun to read articles anymore. Even websites I used to use frequently now are so ransacked with this shit that any useful content is buried under this crap. On news sites nearly every other story is a sponsored one. No, I am not patronizing a company that "disrupts a billion dollar industry". No, I will not click on click bait. No, I do not want to read circulars or visit corporate sponsored ads. No, I do not want to see the unrelated video that plays after an ad. And if you have an ad blocker they make you disable it or pay. This has got to be a product of Putin.

Taboola and, most recently, videos that would disrupt my ability to even post, were all over DU for months prior to and after the election. Bought a star to get rid of both issues, but had to put up with them until I had enough money.

The majority of the threads here serve to maintain division and derail informative and constructive discussion. Moderated Indivisible Facebook pages are a more constructive and useful resource than the current iteration of DU.

Living in the past and acting no better than a latter day terrorist

verbatim and providing links (facts) discussing what a U.S. Senator now on a Unity Tour for the Democratic party is saying. Using facts to support an opinion isn't trolling. But everyone knows that.

Thank you for your concerning concern, but Democrats at Democratic Underground discussing the importance of supporting a woman's right to choose are not trolls. They're Democrats, and Democrats have shared values that they are willing to define and defend.

I edited last para to make it more constructive.

What exactly is the "senate role" of the the Senate Democratic Conference Outreach Committee?

As the committee was conceived, Outreach meets with advocacy and political groups and reports to Steering. Steering prioritizes issues and reports to the Senate Democratic Caucus. That's the way it worked when it was one committee.

If Sanders wants to make personal political appearances outside of his Democratic leadership role, that's fine, but he needs to make the dividing line clearer and do it on his on dime if his message runs counter to Democratic party principles.

that is the problem.

The concern for reproductive rights hasn't been limited to your field of vision on a website. It's been happening at the DNC. Women have made it clear they will not tolerate the bullshit, and Tom Perez has come to Jesus on the issue. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/democrats-tom-perez-abortion-rights_us_58fa5fade4b018a9ce5b351d?ncid=engmodushpmg00000004

By all means, you tell women who comprised the great majority of Democratic voters that their concerns are "unnecessary." Make clear what is really "necessary" is that Bernie never be criticized because his career and celebrity matter more. All that demonstrates is that the rhetoric about economic justice is hollow because enabling anti-choice policies only ensures greater poverty for women. Anyone with any knowledge of the subject knows that, and there is absolutely no excuse for someone who has sat through three decades of testimony in congress not to grasp that basic point.

I and many other women will not unify around those who see my rights and my life as unnecessary. The Democratic Party belongs to US. We are the majority of its voters, and we will not tolerate reactionary efforts to undermine our rights under the guise of progressivism.

(I edited my post to explain a bit)

Women's rights to good healthcare, to choose to carry a baby, to birth control, to great maternity leave and childcare are issues that I and many Democrats consider among the most important issues of the party.
I'm not saying that Bernie's positions on these have been great, I'm saying we don't need to focus on them. Bernie is doing his thing on economic populism, others are doing their thing on the issues they care about.

Ultimately, Trump and the GOP are the problem. We need to unify to resist them and take back America.

I thought we were supposed to ignore.. Don't succumb to the bait. It's those low number posters. It's sanders. It's ... It's...It's....

Stop. Stop. Agree to disagree, put people on ignore, take a day off. Whatever it takes to stop yourself from this continuous loop of fruitless argument.

Yes, I have noticed this lately. I am mostly a reader here at DU but I post on another Liberal site and it has been a bit crazy there with the antagonistic comments. I feel like we are being manipulated and it is so obvious yet some just fall right back into primary mode and rip each other up. I have also noticed that now that some seriously damaging info. is coming out about the Republicans we are seeing a new wave of Hillary hate--books and articles that are simply destroying her. If she makes a speech the comments sections in on-line articles turn red with hate and I wonder how much is manufactured and how much is fringe.

It's simple. It's to the point. It's unassailable.

We are fighting against evil.

Vote Democratic!

no reason to think they are going to stop now.

There are several baited threads at the moment egging folks on to get their posts hidden.

I agree with the poster who recently said we should just ignore them.