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pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
Sat Apr 22, 2017, 08:40 PM Apr 2017

Good for you, ungrateful Amanda Knox!

Last edited Sun Apr 23, 2017, 12:58 AM - Edit history (8)

DT, it is being reported, is mad at Amanda Knox because she supported Hillary in the election even though he spoke out on her behalf while she was in prison.

He's obviously not accustomed to being around people with integrity. I'm so happy for Amanda that she's put those years behind her and is finding her way to a good life -- though, as you can read in the USA Today piece, the aftermath of the murder and her false imprisonment still casts a shadow over her life.

http://komonews.com/news/local/president-trump-reportedly-very-upset-with-amanda-knox


"Mr. Trump's interest centered on showing the innocence of Amanda Knox, an American college student accused of murder in Perugia. Mr. Trump often spoke out and posted on Twitter in support of Ms. Knox, and asked Mr. Lombardi to look into her case during a trip to Italy. Now, Mr. Lombardi said, the president is 'very upset' with the ingratitude of Ms. Knox, who supported Hillary Clinton."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2016/10/24/amanda-knox-exoneration-innocent-conviction-column/92642364/


I didn't get my old life back. No one does. Condemnation doesn't stop once you're found innocent.

Every day for the past nine years I've been called a slut and murderer by total strangers. In prison, it was hate mail. Outside of prison, it’s social media and hate mail. “Teach me how to get away with murder.” “I hope you will be alone forever.” “Murderess.” “Psychopath.” “Whore.” One person promised, in a comment on my personal website, to kidnap me in broad daylight, rip out my teeth and fingernails, electrocute me, and carve Meredith Kercher’s name into my body.

Meredith was a kind and outgoing British student who was murdered by Rudy Guede. She was my roommate, and I was accused of her murder by a prosecutor whose insane theories and disregard for evidence landed me in prison for four years. Italy's highest court ultimately exonerated me, finding “stunning flaws” in the investigation and “an absolute lack of biological traces” connecting me to the crime.

While the TV version of my life would end there, I have learned that condemnation doesn’t stop once you’re found innocent. From the moment I walked out of prison, my family and I have focused on healing and rebuilding our lives. But the beast of media sensationalism wasn’t satisfied. Tabloids snapped pictures of my every move, speculated on everything I did, and spun everything I said out of context. I was accused of buying my supporters, the media, and my freedom. I was shamed for having friends, opinions, fun — a life. Certain people made it their hobby to torment me and anyone close to me, so that we might never feel safe. And despite all the objective evidence confirming my innocence, the predominant narrative and subsequent discussion about my case still revolved around the question, “Did she do it?”

I can tune out the trolls, but the voices of seemingly reasonable people are more worrisome. “She brought it on herself,” some say. “She’s not the real victim.”

FROM AMANDA KNOX'S PERSONAL BLOG:

http://www.amandaknox.com/2016/11/14/amanda-stands-with-trump/

Trump’s politics concern me in a very personal way. Chris and I want to start a family in the next few years, but since Tuesday, I’ve worried that my healthcare may be in jeopardy when Obamacare is repealed. I’ve worried that Pence’s history of invasive, obstructive, and misinformed policies about women’s reproductive health will affect my options should something go wrong with a pregnancy. I’ve fretted over the future of my LGBT friends. I’ve cried out in outrage over rumors of the immanent appointments of climate-change-denier Myron Ebell to the head of the Environmental Protection Agency and creationist Ben Carson to head of the Department of Education. Trump doesn’t support the values I believe in, so I don’t support him for President. Simple as that.

Yes, Trump defended my innocence, pointing out there was no evidence of my participation in Meredith Kercher’s murder, and that the sole incriminating factor was “only something stupid that she said after being tormented for hours and hours.” In my case, Trump recognized that coercive interrogations produce false admissions, a well-studied and documented fact.

But Trump claimed the exact opposite in the Central Park Five case, calling for the death penalty to be reinstated in New York, even though their rape convictions rested solely on false confessions resulting from coercive interrogations. Even now he views them as guilty, though they were exonerated when the true perpetrator, a serial rapist, confessed to the crime. Why did Trump defend me and condemn them? Is it because I was an American on trial in a foreign country? Is it because I’m a white woman?

In a time when my entire family had already tapped into their retirement savings and taken out second mortgages, we were grateful when any supporters, including Trump, donated to my defense and spoke out about my innocence. And like some of my supporters, Trump had his own ideas and his own way; he called for the U.S. to sanction Italy until they released me—a pronouncement which only amplified anti-American sentiment towards me in the courtroom. Even if Trump means well, his schemes tend to be blunt, selfish, and short-sighted, rather than nuanced, empathetic, and thought through. Back then, when the stakes were highest, my family and I couldn’t afford to be so reckless. Now, at this crucial political juncture, the U.S. has decided to take the Trump chance, and I think our choice is just as blunt, selfish, and short-sighted as Trump himself.
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Good for you, ungrateful Amanda Knox! (Original Post) pnwmom Apr 2017 OP
Good for her. nt DURHAM D Apr 2017 #1
Every word he speaks hangs him by his toes UTUSN Apr 2017 #2
. . . pnwmom Apr 2017 #3
Good for her! I think it's very obvious why he supported her. 50 Shades Of Blue Apr 2017 #4
Yeah, it was kinda obvious. And she realizes that, too, reading her words here. n/t pnwmom Apr 2017 #5
I give her even more credit for calling him on it! 50 Shades Of Blue Apr 2017 #7
i still think she is guilty but glad to see her doing the right thing. casey anthony also opposes JI7 Apr 2017 #6
Please give it up. The highest Court in Italy ruled that she was not just 'Not guilty' -- pnwmom Apr 2017 #8
give what up ? i said I'm glad she is doing the right thing. JI7 Apr 2017 #9
You said you still think she's guilty. And the High Court ruled that she's INNOCENT. pnwmom Apr 2017 #12
i think oj is guilty of murder also JI7 Apr 2017 #16
And he is only in prison now because he took a gun to a hotel room and threatened someone else. pnwmom Apr 2017 #17
i think Casey Anthony is guilty also JI7 Apr 2017 #18
I didn't pay much attention to that case, so I don't know. But I followed Amanda's case pnwmom Apr 2017 #19
I'm with you, pnwmom. The prosecution theory was ridiculous, and no physical evidence. Midnight Writer Apr 2017 #29
They thought she was rich. In reality, she was the daughter of a divorced schoolteacher, pnwmom Apr 2017 #35
This Is The Prosecutor Me. Apr 2017 #48
Yeah, it's scary that a man like this could hold onto power for so long. Thank goodness pnwmom Apr 2017 #53
... so many things about her case are enraging, but you mentioned one new to me. politicat Apr 2017 #56
2 weeks after meeting her she murdered her. Sure. Transient Psychopath. elias7 Apr 2017 #61
What was done to Amanda Knox really highlights the depth of misogyny in our world. StevieM Apr 2017 #11
You're right -- misogyny was at the root of the treatment of both women. Amanda probably pnwmom Apr 2017 #13
Old school Middle Ages "she's a witch/foul temptress" type misogyny. Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2017 #42
Yes -- and literally. In the first trial, the prosecutor put forward pnwmom Apr 2017 #43
It was an absolute witch hunt from the beginning. smirkymonkey Apr 2017 #63
Great post, K&R, +1. StevieM Apr 2017 #15
Thank you... Docreed2003 Apr 2017 #23
Thank you very much, Docreed2003! And did you happen to read her piece pnwmom Apr 2017 #25
I did... Docreed2003 Apr 2017 #26
One of my sons was in a small class with her, pnwmom Apr 2017 #30
Wow...that's interesting... Docreed2003 Apr 2017 #31
I just remembered that the prison guards in her unit had a nickname for her: pnwmom Apr 2017 #41
Sadly, I think she's not the exception in that scenario in Italy... Docreed2003 Apr 2017 #44
As a Catholic, you might like this other story. pnwmom Apr 2017 #45
Very nice...and that's why I consider myself to be a Jesuit....;-) Docreed2003 Apr 2017 #46
I never thought she was guilty either. Doreen Apr 2017 #52
+1000 smirkymonkey Apr 2017 #62
Amanda Knox is not only innocent.... cab67 Apr 2017 #24
Agreed. You can't even make a case that she is guilty. StevieM Apr 2017 #66
Try reading "The Monster of Florence" to get some insight into the Italian justice system. eppur_se_muova Apr 2017 #27
OMG, seriously? elias7 Apr 2017 #60
No doubt, your bias compels your to believe as much... LanternWaste Apr 2017 #74
Trump was ready to pull the execution lever on the Central Park Five oasis Apr 2017 #10
Did you see in her blog piece where she pointed that out? She was well aware pnwmom Apr 2017 #14
Knox nails Trump right there. That should get a giant spotlight. nt oasis Apr 2017 #20
What she says there speaks volumes. mountain grammy Apr 2017 #21
There Was A Book Written About That Prosecutor Me. Apr 2017 #22
Yes! He thought the defendant was involved in a satanic cult. pnwmom Apr 2017 #28
That's Him Me. Apr 2017 #32
He was unhinged. And the whole system was set up to support him in his lunacy. n/t pnwmom Apr 2017 #47
See POst 48 Me. Apr 2017 #51
Yep, good ol Foxy Knoxy got away with something all right Tarc Apr 2017 #33
Amanda had NOTHING to do with it. She was in Rafaele's apartment that night, pnwmom Apr 2017 #40
Paid for by the Amada Knox Fan Club Tarc Apr 2017 #67
I stand for the truth of what happened, and against the WITCH-HUNTERS. nt pnwmom Apr 2017 #70
Evidence? Me. Apr 2017 #49
You got that right. miyazaki Apr 2017 #50
They had their day in court, the person that apparently actually did the murder... PoliticAverse Apr 2017 #54
This went through multiple trials. cab67 Apr 2017 #59
What are you talking about? There were 4 years of trials and appeals. pnwmom Apr 2017 #71
No one has forgotten Meredith Kercher. cab67 Apr 2017 #58
Yep. A roommate is murdered in Knox's apartment, while Knox was there Tarc Apr 2017 #69
She wasn't there during the murder. She was at Raffaele's apartment and didn't return pnwmom Apr 2017 #72
This notion that Ms Knox was there cab67 Apr 2017 #76
Not sure why you're lying, but Tarc Apr 2017 #77
What on earth is wrong with you? smirkymonkey Apr 2017 #64
I have been following the case for years, advocating for Kercher's murderer to be punished Tarc Apr 2017 #68
You were part of the witch-hunt, and you lost. The truth prevailed and the lies did not. n/t pnwmom Apr 2017 #73
You and the Knoxy Fanclub got off on a technicality Tarc Apr 2017 #78
Sounds like you already had your mind made up and didn't really smirkymonkey Apr 2017 #75
Good for Knox Carter Johnson girl Apr 2017 #34
Welcome to DU, Carter Johnson girl! pnwmom Apr 2017 #38
KnR pnwmom Hekate Apr 2017 #36
... pnwmom Apr 2017 #37
If fuckhead is mad at you.. you're doing something Cha Apr 2017 #39
Thanks for the post. I am glad she seems to be pulling her life back together. riversedge Apr 2017 #55
Yeah for Amanda Knox Gothmog Apr 2017 #57
Who doesn't believe Trump only cared about her because she was an attractive white woman? Vinca Apr 2017 #65

50 Shades Of Blue

(10,013 posts)
4. Good for her! I think it's very obvious why he supported her.
Sat Apr 22, 2017, 08:50 PM
Apr 2017

And it wasn't because he gave a shit whether she was innocent.

JI7

(89,252 posts)
6. i still think she is guilty but glad to see her doing the right thing. casey anthony also opposes
Sat Apr 22, 2017, 08:52 PM
Apr 2017

Trump.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
8. Please give it up. The highest Court in Italy ruled that she was not just 'Not guilty' --
Sat Apr 22, 2017, 09:05 PM
Apr 2017

she was innocent, because of lack of evidence. (There was some FAKE evidence, including a coerced non-confession, put forward by an unethical prosecutor.)

In other words, the Court had the choice of a not-guilty verdict, or a positive verdict of innocence -- and that's what they unanimously decided on.

And it was the only verdict that could have made sense to anyone who examined all the evidence. All the physical evidence -- and there were dozens of pieces of it, blood and hair and fingerprint samples -- pointed to ONLY Rudy Guede, a friend of the men who lived in a downstairs apartment.

She was a 19 year old who was interrogated overnight without a lawyer, till she finally agreed with the prosecutor's story that she'd HEARD another man in the house with the victim. In reality she wasn't in the house that night at all (she was at her boyfriend's house) and she took back the non-confession (that the prosecutor insisted "put'" her in the house) within a few hours and said it wasn't true.

It kills me that this innocent person has to go through life with this shadow over her. That four years of false imprisonment in a foreign country wasn't enough. That some people will always condemn her in their minds.

No one in Seattle who has ever known her has one iota of doubt. All her teachers and the students in her high school never wavered in their support. I don't know her personally, but I know people who do. And to hear otherwise thoughtful people still expressing suspicions about her is so discouraging. It shows the dark side of human nature -- but not of Amanda's.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
12. You said you still think she's guilty. And the High Court ruled that she's INNOCENT.
Sat Apr 22, 2017, 09:30 PM
Apr 2017

She deserves the benefit of everyone's doubt.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
17. And he is only in prison now because he took a gun to a hotel room and threatened someone else.
Sat Apr 22, 2017, 09:39 PM
Apr 2017

Even though the evidence against him included a photo of Nicole, her face beaten, that she had saved in a bank box in case he ever attacked her again.

Amanda was having no problems with Meredith. And she has NO criminal history, either before or afterwards. The worst things she ever did were to hold a loud party in Seattle and to smoke pot and have "illicit sex" in Italy.

Again, please give it up.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
19. I didn't pay much attention to that case, so I don't know. But I followed Amanda's case
Sat Apr 22, 2017, 09:51 PM
Apr 2017

very closely, for years. It was appalling to see what was considered evidence in the first court. It was truly a witch hunt. For example, a cop who testified that he could "smell sex on her." Another cop said he knew she was guilty soon after the killing, when he saw her eating PIZZA in a RESTAURANT! Any innocent Italian girl would be home, he testified, crying her eyes out.

When have you ever heard testimony like that allowed in a US court? Never.

http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/news/the-neverending-nightmare-of-amanda-knox-20110627

Midnight Writer

(21,769 posts)
29. I'm with you, pnwmom. The prosecution theory was ridiculous, and no physical evidence.
Sat Apr 22, 2017, 10:44 PM
Apr 2017

And of course, there is the fact that another man has been convicted and is doing time for the same horrendous murder; a man the prosecutor says has no connection to Amanda Knox.

They were using the "guidance" of a psychic to "find" evidence. The prosecutor concocted a crime scenario that was right out of a twisted "Penthouse Letters" fantasy.

She was a rich American girl with a nonchalant air and a dismissive attitude, and that was the entire basis for the prosecution.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
35. They thought she was rich. In reality, she was the daughter of a divorced schoolteacher,
Sat Apr 22, 2017, 10:57 PM
Apr 2017

living in a very middle class home in a non-fancy suburb of Seattle. She was able to attend a Catholic high school on scholarship.

She probably did have a nonchalant air -- she couldn't conceive that anyone could imagine she was guilty, even when they were pressing her to falsely agree to a story putting her in the house where the victim was murdered.

One of the things that I found so inspiring was how her family came together -- including her divorced parents and second spouses, and Amanda's best friend. The prison allowed visits from family once a week, so they made sure someone was always there for her. The stepfather was a computer guy, so he had the most flexible job. He moved to the town where she was imprisoned. Amanda's best friend also ended up moving there. Her loved ones kept her sane over the four years in Italy -- and in the remaining years till she was finally exonerated.

If you scroll down a bit you can see her mom's house -- pretty typical for Seattle, with a 1 car garage. i don't know where this idea came about of her being wealthy.

http://www.amandaknox.com/blog/

Me.

(35,454 posts)
48. This Is The Prosecutor
Sun Apr 23, 2017, 12:18 AM
Apr 2017

Giuliano Mignini ...And before people make assumptions about her, they need to know him.

“He is known for his involvement as the prosecutor in the investigation of the death of Dr. Francesco Narducci, who was discovered drowned in 1985, which Mignini alleged was connected to the Monster of Florence case, resulting in the unsuccessful prosecution of a number of individuals.

In early 2002, Mignini had Narducci's body exhumed and examined. Mignini believed that the body was not decomposed enough to be Narducci's. A medical examination determined that the body was in fact Narducci's. Mignini then theorised that the body had been swapped twice.[10] Mignini alleged that Narducci had been involved in a secret society and killed to keep quiet and that his father, Ugo Narducci, a member of a masonic lodge, had masterminded the cover up.[14][15] Mignini's theory involved a complicated conspiracy of 20 people, including government officials and law enforcement officers. Mignini indicted 20 people and charged them with the concealment of Narducci's murder. The charges were eventually dismissed.[16] Narducci's family and colleagues believe that his death was a suicide.[14]

In April 2006 Mignini had Italian journalist Mario Spezi arrested for complicity in the homicides of the Monster of Florence case and interfering with an investigation. Spezi was held for 23 days, 5 without a lawyer.[17]
On 22 March 2013 the Third Circuit Court of Cassation (Supreme Court of Italy) ruled that the main case related to criminal conduct "did not exist", and that Francesco Narducci died by suicide.[18] In sustaining the lower court acquittals, the Court of Cassation also sent back for re-trial some of the parallel slander charges.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giuliano_Mignini

“Mignini always included witch fear in his murder theory, and only reluctantly relinquished it. As late as October 2008, a year after the murder, he told a court that the murder “was premeditated and was in addition a ‘rite’ celebrated on the occasion of the night of Halloween. A sexual and sacrificial rite [that] in the intention of the organizers … should have occurred 24 hours earlier” — on Halloween itself — “but on account of a dinner at the house of horrors, organized by Meredith and Amanda’s Italian flatmates, it was postponed for one day.”

http://nypost.com/2011/10/02/how-occult-obsessed-prosecutor-turned-knox-trial-into-a-witch-hunt/

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
53. Yeah, it's scary that a man like this could hold onto power for so long. Thank goodness
Sun Apr 23, 2017, 12:55 AM
Apr 2017

Amanda finally escaped from his clutches.

politicat

(9,808 posts)
56. ... so many things about her case are enraging, but you mentioned one new to me.
Sun Apr 23, 2017, 02:39 AM
Apr 2017
Another cop said he knew she was guilty soon after the killing, when he saw her eating PIZZA in a RESTAURANT! Any innocent Italian girl would be home, he testified, crying her eyes out.


Because her *home* is a crime scene. Because her roommate was just killed there. Because she wasn't allowed in. She didn't *have* a home in which to stay in and cry her eyes out.

Ghu save us all from stupid, willfully ignorant, unthinking, Dunning-Krueger cops.

elias7

(4,009 posts)
61. 2 weeks after meeting her she murdered her. Sure. Transient Psychopath.
Sun Apr 23, 2017, 03:22 PM
Apr 2017

I'm amazed an intelligent, curious and open-minded person could possibly come to that conclusion.

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
11. What was done to Amanda Knox really highlights the depth of misogyny in our world.
Sat Apr 22, 2017, 09:28 PM
Apr 2017

It is frightening that she was convicted. The hysteria was unbelievable.

Actually, we saw a lot of the same type of hysteria during Hillary's campaign for president. Seriously, she had a 12 year career in elected and appointed office without any ethical allegations against her. She finishes up as the most popular politician in America, with poll numbers in the mid to high 60s. Then she runs for president and we suddenly learn that she was a criminal who rented out her office for personal gain--as proven by her ownership of an email server.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
13. You're right -- misogyny was at the root of the treatment of both women. Amanda probably
Sat Apr 22, 2017, 09:31 PM
Apr 2017

realizes that. Reading her blog, it's clear she's a very thoughtful and sensitive woman.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
43. Yes -- and literally. In the first trial, the prosecutor put forward
Sat Apr 22, 2017, 11:31 PM
Apr 2017

a satanic cult theory and called her "Luciferina." And he portrayed her as the temptress who induced two young men to commit murder.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
63. It was an absolute witch hunt from the beginning.
Sun Apr 23, 2017, 03:37 PM
Apr 2017

The prosecutor pulled the nightmare of a scenario out of his ass because she was an attractive woman in a sexual relationship. There was no evidence to back up any of his sick theories and it's a shame that she had to go through such torture only to be proven innocent in the end.

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
15. Great post, K&R, +1.
Sat Apr 22, 2017, 09:33 PM
Apr 2017

Terrific point about how it wasn't Amanda's dark side that was exposed.

Seriously...don't people usually build up to being murderers? This woman had no prior criminal history. And people actually believed that she suddenly decided to kill someone? And that they teamed up with Rudy Guede within minutes of meeting him? The prosecution's ever-shifting theories were all mind-bogglingly absurd.

Docreed2003

(16,865 posts)
23. Thank you...
Sat Apr 22, 2017, 10:31 PM
Apr 2017

Your insight and personal connections certainly add to the facts here that an innocent girl was made to suffer under false pretenses. Your post said everything that needs to be said about this young woman. Thank you for posting this!

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
25. Thank you very much, Docreed2003! And did you happen to read her piece
Sat Apr 22, 2017, 10:36 PM
Apr 2017

about being an exoneree? I thought it was really good -- and it reveals a lot about her character.

Docreed2003

(16,865 posts)
26. I did...
Sat Apr 22, 2017, 10:37 PM
Apr 2017

She's certainly a stronger person than I could ever hope to be...the piece was powerful, inspiring, and heartbreaking.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
30. One of my sons was in a small class with her,
Sat Apr 22, 2017, 10:45 PM
Apr 2017

after she was freed. It was a logic class, and he said she was one of the top 1 or 2 students in it (based on her participation in class, anyway.) But he was mostly surprised by how petite she was.

I guess he hadn't been expecting that. She'd become larger-than-life, in all the years of being portrayed as a violent murderer. But in reality she was just a petite, thoughtful, young woman, trying to find some logic in the world.


Docreed2003

(16,865 posts)
31. Wow...that's interesting...
Sat Apr 22, 2017, 10:53 PM
Apr 2017

How the media manipulated and blasted this poor girl! I remember watching Dateline that featured her story shortly after her exoneration. Even then, the writing and the commercial set ups to keep you watching portrayed her as manipulative and guilty, although the show ultimately revealed all the evidence and clearly showed she had done nothing wrong. I'm sure the producers of that show have no shame over their presentation because it got folks like me and my wife to watch, but I think it highlights the fact that, even when proven innocent, the media would rather make a story as salacious as possible, with no concern for the effect it may have on the accused. Like I said, for Amanda to put up with the mountains of shit she's had to endure, prison, the hate mail, the threats, and for her to come out of that a strong, intelligent, thoughtful person speaks to her character. I'm not sure I would have fared as well...

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
41. I just remembered that the prison guards in her unit had a nickname for her:
Sat Apr 22, 2017, 11:22 PM
Apr 2017

Bambi. That says something, I think.

Also, she writes that the chaplain, a Catholic priest, was a great support to her. She was and is an atheist, but he let her spend time with him regularly, and she found some peace in his office, playing the guitar.

I think everyone in there knew she wasn't a murderer. So the natural question is how many other innocent people did they know were locked up there, or was she that unusual?

Docreed2003

(16,865 posts)
44. Sadly, I think she's not the exception in that scenario in Italy...
Sat Apr 22, 2017, 11:35 PM
Apr 2017

Amanda's case seemed to be emblematic of a justice system that preferred conviction over justice, no matter the cost. Thank you for the story of the Catholic priest...as a Catholic myself, this speaks to me. Clearly he allowed her a safe space to express herself, even if she chose to be an atheist. I think, as you suggest, he recognized her innocence. If I had to guess, she wasn't the first innocent person falsely accused in that prison, and, I'd wager she won't be the last.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
45. As a Catholic, you might like this other story.
Sat Apr 22, 2017, 11:53 PM
Apr 2017

She attended a Catholic high school as a non-Catholic scholarship student. A year or two after graduation she was swept up into the Italian nightmare, and initially found guilty. Her former high school went to work in her defense, holding fundraisers and writing letters. The principal also put out a statement on her behalf. I was so proud of that school's response. They KNEW her, and they weren't afraid to show they believed in her.

And this was the contemptuous response from a Seattle newspaper columnist -- from someone NOT connected with the school, who found the school's actions to be offensive.

http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/preps-misguided-lesson/

Prep’s misguided lesson


A suggestion to Seattle Prep President Kent Hickey: Lose the “We.”

You can’t assume every family connected with your Jesuit school is convinced alumna Amanda Knox is worthy of the fundraising and letter-writing campaign that kicks off tonight at a Metro League basketball game.

SNIP

Why not raise money for a food bank? Why not write lawmakers about funding higher education?

SNIP

Hickey defended his support of Knox with calm and grace Monday. He stressed to me that any letters written or money donated would be voluntary.

“It’s really pretty simple,” he said. “She’s a graduate of Seattle Prep and is going through a very difficult time and we are going to try to do things to support her.”

He said cura personalis or “care for the person” is the heart of Jesuit education.

“The words are meaningless unless they are lived,” he said, “even if (maybe especially if) living them out is difficult or unpopular. When we voice a commitment to cura personalis but then pick and choose to whom we should extend our care, then I would question our real commitment to this principle.”

https://www.seattlemet.com/articles/2010/11/8/seattle-prep-amanda-knox-1210

Why was this high school, so seemingly incongruous with what the world knew about Amanda Knox, sticking its neck out for her? The answer is as complex as the murder mystery itself.

SNIP

She wasn’t Catholic. And she didn’t dress like the other students, either. Whatever fashion prevailed for 14-year-old girls in 2001, when Amanda entered Prep, it’s doubtful it involved mismatched socks and jeans under skirts. “Amanda was not into wearing the right clothes and the right makeup,” Edda says. “She’s always been a free spirit. Very hippie. She was born in the wrong decade.”

And yet in other ways Amanda and Prep were a perfect match. The high school has a reputation for academic rigor, and Amanda, who’d read Beowulf by sixth grade, wanted a challenge. She applied and was not only accepted by Prep—which admits a limited number of non-Catholics—but won a scholarship to the school. The whole family rallied to make it work. Her grandmother, aunt, and stepfather took turns driving her to school. She often rode the Metro bus back to West Seattle at night.

SNIP

By the time she graduated from Prep in 2005—with a 3.9 grade point average—Knox was also known campuswide for being particularly kind and warmhearted. One of her close friends in the drama department was openly gay. In solidarity, Amanda helped him organize Seattle Prep’s first gay-straight alliance. Years later, her penchant for kindness and justice would come back around.


 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
62. +1000
Sun Apr 23, 2017, 03:33 PM
Apr 2017

I have read a number of books and articles on the subject and I am convinced that she was innocent. This was nothing more than a brutal witch hunt by a misogynistic prosecutor who could not cope with his own legal impotence.

Let the poor woman live in peace for god's sake. Not you pnwmom, but to her persecutors.

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
66. Agreed. You can't even make a case that she is guilty.
Sun Apr 23, 2017, 05:33 PM
Apr 2017

We know who the killer is. And he got a sweetheart deal because of the prosecution's determination to persecute Amanda and Raffaele.

eppur_se_muova

(36,271 posts)
27. Try reading "The Monster of Florence" to get some insight into the Italian justice system.
Sat Apr 22, 2017, 10:38 PM
Apr 2017

IRIC, three different indivuals were tried, in succession, with being the murderer. The case is still unsolved, AFAIK.

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2009/jan/25/monster-florence-douglas-preston-mario-spezi

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
74. No doubt, your bias compels your to believe as much...
Mon Apr 24, 2017, 03:09 PM
Apr 2017

" i still think she is guilty..."

No doubt, your bias compels your to believe as much... regardless of the allegations irrelevance to the OP.

oasis

(49,390 posts)
10. Trump was ready to pull the execution lever on the Central Park Five
Sat Apr 22, 2017, 09:25 PM
Apr 2017

who were also proven no guilty. We see how his mind works in certain situations.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
14. Did you see in her blog piece where she pointed that out? She was well aware
Sat Apr 22, 2017, 09:32 PM
Apr 2017

of the disparity.

Yes, Trump defended my innocence, pointing out there was no evidence of my participation in Meredith Kercher’s murder, and that the sole incriminating factor was “only something stupid that she said after being tormented for hours and hours.” In my case, Trump recognized that coercive interrogations produce false admissions, a well-studied and documented fact.

But Trump claimed the exact opposite in the Central Park Five case, calling for the death penalty to be reinstated in New York, even though their rape convictions rested solely on false confessions resulting from coercive interrogations. Even now he views them as guilty, though they were exonerated when the true perpetrator, a serial rapist, confessed to the crime. Why did Trump defend me and condemn them? Is it because I was an American on trial in a foreign country? Is it because I’m a white woman?

mountain grammy

(26,626 posts)
21. What she says there speaks volumes.
Sat Apr 22, 2017, 10:01 PM
Apr 2017

Especially pointing to the Central Park case. Good for her. She understands what being falsely accused and convicted is all about. I am so glad she spoke out so eloquently about this.

Me.

(35,454 posts)
22. There Was A Book Written About That Prosecutor
Sat Apr 22, 2017, 10:18 PM
Apr 2017

I think, in the 90's. At the time he was investigating a murder and had charged 5 different, unconnected, people with the crime. And then later charged the authors of the book with the crime. When I read he was her prosecutor I couldn't believe it. What is wrong with the Italian judicial system that he was still practicing law?

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
28. Yes! He thought the defendant was involved in a satanic cult.
Sat Apr 22, 2017, 10:38 PM
Apr 2017

And that's the same theory he brought to Amanda's first trial, when he called her "Luciferina."

Me.

(35,454 posts)
32. That's Him
Sat Apr 22, 2017, 10:53 PM
Apr 2017

There was also a documentary on tv about him. Boggles the mind. Given his history, I was more than convinced she was innocent. The entire trial was a travesty.

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
33. Yep, good ol Foxy Knoxy got away with something all right
Sat Apr 22, 2017, 10:56 PM
Apr 2017

Let's not forget a name here; Meredith Kercher. A woman was murdered in their shared apartment, she had something to do with it, if not a direct hand. The typical "Pretty White Girl Syndrome" got her off the hook.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
40. Amanda had NOTHING to do with it. She was in Rafaele's apartment that night,
Sat Apr 22, 2017, 11:15 PM
Apr 2017

as the Hellman Court and the Court of Cassation both found. The Court of Cassation (the final court) had the choice between a not-guilty verdict and an innocent verdict -- and they found her innocent.

What got her "off the hook," among many other things, was that there was DNA of Rudy Guede's both inside and on the victim's body, and his fingerprints on the walls, and his hair in the room. Dozens of pieces of physical evidence connected Rudy Guede to the murder (a man with a recent history of burglarizing through open windows) and not a single piece of evidence in the room connected to Amanda.

And the High Court judges did not just say there wasn't enough evidence to convict Amanda and Rafaela -- which was an option. Instead, they definitely declared that neither of the two had committed the crime.


miyazaki

(2,244 posts)
50. You got that right.
Sun Apr 23, 2017, 12:21 AM
Apr 2017

Sadder still are the victims and families who never even get a chance to have their day in court.

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
54. They had their day in court, the person that apparently actually did the murder...
Sun Apr 23, 2017, 01:43 AM
Apr 2017

Rudy Hermann Guede was convicted.

cab67

(2,993 posts)
59. This went through multiple trials.
Sun Apr 23, 2017, 12:12 PM
Apr 2017

Her father wrote a book about Ms Kercher.

I grieve for them. They should be outraged at the incompetence of the investigators who horrifically bungled the case. But all of the evidence brought against Ms Knox or Mr Sollecito has been debunked, and the thought that they never had a day in court is simply false.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
71. What are you talking about? There were 4 years of trials and appeals.
Mon Apr 24, 2017, 02:47 PM
Apr 2017

And the guilty person, Rudy Guede, was convicted.

cab67

(2,993 posts)
58. No one has forgotten Meredith Kercher.
Sun Apr 23, 2017, 12:07 PM
Apr 2017

Amanda Knox had nothing to do with her murder. She "got off the hook" because saner eyes took a look at the evidence, saw how badly bungled the investigation was, and realized she (and Raffaele Sollecito) were innocent.



Tarc

(10,476 posts)
69. Yep. A roommate is murdered in Knox's apartment, while Knox was there
Mon Apr 24, 2017, 02:41 PM
Apr 2017

But she had nothing to do with it. Nope nope nope.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
72. She wasn't there during the murder. She was at Raffaele's apartment and didn't return
Mon Apr 24, 2017, 02:48 PM
Apr 2017

till the next morning, when she called Rafaele and they called the police.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
64. What on earth is wrong with you?
Sun Apr 23, 2017, 03:41 PM
Apr 2017

Do you have even the slightest knowledge of this case or are you just condemning her because of sensationalist headlines you have read?

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
68. I have been following the case for years, advocating for Kercher's murderer to be punished
Mon Apr 24, 2017, 02:40 PM
Apr 2017

We had her locked up for awhile, but she squirmed free.

Thanks for playing.

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
78. You and the Knoxy Fanclub got off on a technicality
Wed Apr 26, 2017, 10:39 PM
Apr 2017

Hurray for Cute White Woman in Distress Syndrome

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
75. Sounds like you already had your mind made up and didn't really
Mon Apr 24, 2017, 04:32 PM
Apr 2017

pay much attention to the evidence.

Vinca

(50,279 posts)
65. Who doesn't believe Trump only cared about her because she was an attractive white woman?
Sun Apr 23, 2017, 05:31 PM
Apr 2017

Maybe he hoped he'd get lucky on her release.

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