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MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
Sun Apr 23, 2017, 10:30 AM Apr 2017

On People of All Ages Eating in Public

I don't know about the rest of you, but I almost never watch anyone eat in public. I've also not noticed anyone watching me when I eat in public. Frankly, watching someone put food in their mouth isn't all that interesting, really.

So, I'm always at a loss when someone complains about an infant eating in public. And yet, that subject always seems to stir up controversy among some people. I can't imagine why.

Normally, eating is not something that stimulates sexual arousal, the eating scene in the movie, Tom Jones, notwithstanding. We all eat food. If we did not, we would not survive long. Most of us eat in public from time to time. We enjoy each others' company at the table.

The bottom line is that human beings are mammals, and are ideally equipped to feed infants naturally, as all mammals do. Whether one believes that humans were somehow created or that they evolved, the fact of the matter is that we are, indeed, mammalian animals. Both men and women have breast tissue and nipples because of that. Women who bear infants have hormones that kick in to provide the ideal food for recently-born human mammals, shortly after birth. Wise women take advantage of that to give their infants a great start on a long, healthy life.

Feeding babies is an essential thing to do. Feeding them when they are hungry is the best practice. If that occurs when a woman is in a public place, why should she not feed her infant? Why would that be of any real interest to anyone else in the area? Just as most people don't watch adults eating in public, most adults don't watch women who are feeding their infants in the natural way mammals feed their young.

In fact, having an interest in peering, or even leering, at a woman engaged in that activity is more than a little disturbing. Men who would do such a thing probably should not be trusted around women and children, in my opinion. While one might notice that a woman is feeding a baby, that should only be a matter of passing interest. It's nothing unusual. It's not any more interesting than watching someone devour a steak in a restaurant. Why would someone take more than a momentary notice of it?

My advice to those who are discombobulated about breast-feeding: Just let the baby eat and go on about your business. If you're offended by the sight of a baby eating, then look in some other direction. In fact, look in some other direction even if you aren't offended. Let the baby eat in peace and move on to some other activity. If you're staring and getting aroused somehow by that natural way of feeding infants, I suggest that you go and consult some sort of professional to find out what's wrong with your head.

And that's my opinion on a Sunday morning. Now, I need to go mow my lawn. If anyone thinks I need to be stared at while doing that, I will gleefully put the handle of the mower in your hands, so you can experience that entertaining activity for yourself.

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On People of All Ages Eating in Public (Original Post) MineralMan Apr 2017 OP
Well said! Kudos to you. shraby Apr 2017 #1
This isn't about people chewing with their mouths open? csziggy Apr 2017 #2
First lesson of table manners: MineralMan Apr 2017 #3
Having recent experience with little ones... moriah Apr 2017 #5
Quite true. MineralMan Apr 2017 #8
An ex refused to go to a friend's house after she had her baby. moriah Apr 2017 #4
LOL, I notice he's your ex... PatrickforO Apr 2017 #35
Yep. Very discombobulated. moriah Apr 2017 #38
Like what you wrote. I was thinking along those lines. Shrike47 Apr 2017 #6
One person's sexual arousal should not have any impact MineralMan Apr 2017 #7
Or on hungry babies! angstlessk Apr 2017 #9
Yes, of course! MineralMan Apr 2017 #17
Exactly. To go the other way is the Taliban-ISIS full burka route to enslavement of women. . nt Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2017 #10
Which appears to be the goal of some, despite MineralMan Apr 2017 #18
All it is is "Sharia Law" by a different name. Doreen Apr 2017 #26
Well, sort of. The fact is that restricting the behavior MineralMan Apr 2017 #29
For men, this is a deep-seated issue with seeing women as sexual objects. pangaia Apr 2017 #11
Breasts have become so over-sexualized in our culture, most forget their true purpose. Coventina Apr 2017 #12
Thanks for that.. pangaia Apr 2017 #14
While that's true, it's men who have made it true. MineralMan Apr 2017 #19
Reference to this DU article? keithbvadu2 Apr 2017 #13
When I was a nursing mother I nursed my children in public, PoindexterOglethorpe Apr 2017 #15
Has anyone pointed out that ... planetc Apr 2017 #16
That's the baby's job - announcing hunger, or whatever. MineralMan Apr 2017 #21
And nobody has any issues with another species feeding their young crazycatlady Apr 2017 #42
Some people seem to resist the knowledge that MineralMan Apr 2017 #45
Yup. emmadoggy Apr 2017 #23
The thing that is even more stupid is that the people who complain about Doreen Apr 2017 #28
Mind Your Own Business: Rule No. 1 for a civil society. n/t MrModerate Apr 2017 #20
Absolutely. I wish that were better taught these days. MineralMan Apr 2017 #22
If the sight of a nursing baby JenniferJuniper Apr 2017 #24
Exactly. MineralMan Apr 2017 #25
Agree LeftInTX Apr 2017 #39
I love having people watch me mow my lawn (which I just did for the first time this year.... George II Apr 2017 #27
LOL! I just finished mowing my poor excuse for a lawn, too, MineralMan Apr 2017 #30
Great Post Srkdqltr Apr 2017 #31
On a similar note, a week or so ago... Orrex Apr 2017 #32
Interesting, isn't it? MineralMan Apr 2017 #33
As a father of PatrickforO Apr 2017 #34
Equality and choice are fundamental rights. MineralMan Apr 2017 #36
May I add one more to your list crazycatlady Apr 2017 #43
Bet most of those guys consider themselves "pro-life" bekkilyn Apr 2017 #37
P.S. Dare I comment that a happy, well-fed baby is much more pleasant to be around? joanbarnes Apr 2017 #40
Well said MM. n/t CousinIT Apr 2017 #41
Something I have noticed, in my many years as a breastfeeding advocate, vanlassie Apr 2017 #44

csziggy

(34,136 posts)
2. This isn't about people chewing with their mouths open?
Sun Apr 23, 2017, 10:38 AM
Apr 2017

Because that offends me and I don't want to watch it. A woman breast feeding in public does not.

Thank you, MM!

moriah

(8,311 posts)
5. Having recent experience with little ones...
Sun Apr 23, 2017, 10:45 AM
Apr 2017

... they haven't learned that lesson. Instead, they learn how to time it for when you don't have a burp cloth on.

moriah

(8,311 posts)
4. An ex refused to go to a friend's house after she had her baby.
Sun Apr 23, 2017, 10:43 AM
Apr 2017

It was her first so she was still shy and used nursing covers, but it "discombobulated" him (perfect word) so much he couldn't even deal with that. He didn't say anything about it to her, thank goodness, but he couldn't deal so he didn't go.

With her third all her friends know she will whip the mammaries out anytime her son needs fed without even thinking twice. He'd be totally freaked now.

moriah

(8,311 posts)
38. Yep. Very discombobulated.
Sun Apr 23, 2017, 07:09 PM
Apr 2017

I knew then and there he wasn't ready to parent, for sure.... if covered nursing bothered him, and I planned to do the work necessary to nurse any child I might have... was glad I had access to contraception.

Shrike47

(6,913 posts)
6. Like what you wrote. I was thinking along those lines.
Sun Apr 23, 2017, 10:46 AM
Apr 2017

Some people are sexually aroused by feet (I have known one). Should we make sandals illegal?

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
7. One person's sexual arousal should not have any impact
Sun Apr 23, 2017, 10:51 AM
Apr 2017

on random other people. Period. That's what I think.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
18. Which appears to be the goal of some, despite
Sun Apr 23, 2017, 11:52 AM
Apr 2017

their railing against "Sharia Law." I guess they only want that impose on women. Weird folks, to say the least.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
29. Well, sort of. The fact is that restricting the behavior
Sun Apr 23, 2017, 12:39 PM
Apr 2017

of women on false, artificially created moral grounds is common to other cultures and religions than Islam. Utra-conservative Judaism and fundamentalist Christianity often take the same position about women. Hiding women behind veils and excessively modest clothing is common to all religions that seek to impose some false morality on women, in order to subjugate them.

It's always an attempt by men to put women in the background and remove all authority and independence from them. I have always maintained that is fear that causes such reactions. Everyone knows that their very existence depends on women. For some men, that creates a fear of women that is irrational and gets expressed in attempts to minimize women's power.

It's a common, common thing, sadly, that operates individually and culturally all too often.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
11. For men, this is a deep-seated issue with seeing women as sexual objects.
Sun Apr 23, 2017, 11:26 AM
Apr 2017

For women whom this bothers, what is it, rigid upbringing? Male abuse? False 'Christianity?' Somebody help me here...

Coventina

(27,121 posts)
12. Breasts have become so over-sexualized in our culture, most forget their true purpose.
Sun Apr 23, 2017, 11:36 AM
Apr 2017

I think it actually is a shock to men (in particular) that there are non-sexual uses for breasts.

I also think you are spot-on about why it bothers some women, it's indirect effect of over-sexualizing breasts.
They are taught that their breasts are "naughty-bits" and should be hidden in public, certainly not used.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
19. While that's true, it's men who have made it true.
Sun Apr 23, 2017, 11:53 AM
Apr 2017

Men, in general, need to get over themselves, I think.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,862 posts)
15. When I was a nursing mother I nursed my children in public,
Sun Apr 23, 2017, 11:41 AM
Apr 2017

and didn't use a cover-up. Every so often I'd catch some man staring at me, and I'd either stare back or ignore him.

And anyone who somehow cannot look in another direction if he's bothered by a baby nursing in public has the bigger problem.

planetc

(7,815 posts)
16. Has anyone pointed out that ...
Sun Apr 23, 2017, 11:51 AM
Apr 2017

if you don't feed your baby, it's likely to yell its head off, thus causing aural discomfort to anyone in the neighborhood. If this is correct, then breast feeding, especially in public, is a public service.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
21. That's the baby's job - announcing hunger, or whatever.
Sun Apr 23, 2017, 11:55 AM
Apr 2017

It's up to a parent to figure out what the baby needs and to provide that. Feeding a baby is the most natural thing there is.

crazycatlady

(4,492 posts)
42. And nobody has any issues with another species feeding their young
Mon Apr 24, 2017, 09:56 AM
Apr 2017

Example-- videos of a mama cat nursing her kittens are all over YouTube and they're known as cute.

It is natural behavior.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
45. Some people seem to resist the knowledge that
Mon Apr 24, 2017, 07:46 PM
Apr 2017

Human beings are animals, despite the overwhelming evidence. It may be a religious thing, but that has always seemed a ridiculous belief to me.

Doreen

(11,686 posts)
28. The thing that is even more stupid is that the people who complain about
Sun Apr 23, 2017, 12:36 PM
Apr 2017

women breast feeding in public are the first ones to complain when a baby starts screaming because it is hungry. Go figure.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
22. Absolutely. I wish that were better taught these days.
Sun Apr 23, 2017, 11:58 AM
Apr 2017

However, that only applies as long is what is happening causes no real harm. If harm is being done by one person to another, then minding your own business is the wrong thing to do. That is the time for interference, in whatever way will be the most prudent and effective. However a baby eating is causing any harm whatever, and truly is nobody's business beyond the baby and mother.

JenniferJuniper

(4,512 posts)
24. If the sight of a nursing baby
Sun Apr 23, 2017, 12:18 PM
Apr 2017

makes you want to sexually assault it's mother, then don't look. And then get yourself some help.





George II

(67,782 posts)
27. I love having people watch me mow my lawn (which I just did for the first time this year....
Sun Apr 23, 2017, 12:34 PM
Apr 2017

...about a half hour ago) as they drive by, especially when women slow down to check me out!

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
30. LOL! I just finished mowing my poor excuse for a lawn, too,
Sun Apr 23, 2017, 12:43 PM
Apr 2017

and for the first time this year, as well. Now that I've done it, and I was the first on the block this year, I hear lawnmowers running elsewhere on the block. I didn't notice anyone watching me, though. I was trying to avoid mowing over debris that has found its way onto my lawn. I succeeded, mostly, except for a golf ball that went flying almost all the way across the street as I mowed over it.

I suspect my neighbor, who golfs from time to time, chipped it into my yard last fall. Fortunately, it didn't hit anything.

Orrex

(63,216 posts)
32. On a similar note, a week or so ago...
Sun Apr 23, 2017, 12:55 PM
Apr 2017

I noted on FB that thousands upon thousands were happily staring up a giraffe's vagina, but people still freak out at the site of a nursing mother.

I got a few dozen reactions, all of them positive, and all but two from women. Men were curiously silent, reaction-wise.

Another two guys helpfully posted to explain the difference to me, mansplaining in the grand "Well, actually" tradition.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
33. Interesting, isn't it?
Sun Apr 23, 2017, 12:58 PM
Apr 2017

People are weird, overall. In different ways, of course, as individuals, but weird, nevertheless.

PatrickforO

(14,578 posts)
34. As a father of
Sun Apr 23, 2017, 01:10 PM
Apr 2017

three daughters and two granddaughters, I concur. In fact, I strongly support women:

1. Having complete control over if, when and under what circumstances they will bear children.
2. Having a medical system that values them as women as much as it values me, a man.
3. Having an economy that treats the contributions of women equally in terms of pay, opportunity and benefits.
4. Having a society that values women as much as it values men.

Right now we don't, but if we all work together, we can make this happen.

But we've got to get the p**sy grabber out of the White House, and that joke of a state legislator who wants to pinch nipples of women breastfeeding in public out of office. Those people do NOT represent us. Not at all.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
36. Equality and choice are fundamental rights.
Sun Apr 23, 2017, 01:13 PM
Apr 2017

I cannot understand anyone who does not understand that.

crazycatlady

(4,492 posts)
43. May I add one more to your list
Mon Apr 24, 2017, 10:09 AM
Apr 2017

Having a criminal justice system that allows women to come forward (especially for cases of sexual assault) without consequences to their own reputation or their motives questioned (ie "why were you wearing that dress?&quot

bekkilyn

(454 posts)
37. Bet most of those guys consider themselves "pro-life"
Sun Apr 23, 2017, 01:16 PM
Apr 2017

and yet they would rather see a baby starve to death than be able to get care and nourishment whenever they need it. And if they don't want to see it, *they* can go eat in the bathroom and then they won't have to. Perverts.

vanlassie

(5,676 posts)
44. Something I have noticed, in my many years as a breastfeeding advocate,
Mon Apr 24, 2017, 10:21 AM
Apr 2017

is the interesting phenomenon of young adults in some small role of authority (waiter or waitress, life guard, salesclerk...) informing a nursing mother that she is not allowed to do that there. These incidents ALWAYS end up with the organization apologizing to the mother, of course. But I see it as a perceived opportunity to bully. Not restricted to young people, mind you. But it seems as though a nursing mother "reads" to a potential bully as "weak."
Fortunately we are in a moment when women are saying "enough."

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