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"My government has recordings of more than one Trump" (Original Post) L. Coyote Apr 2017 OP
John Dean also said there was a cover up sharedvalues Apr 2017 #1
Considering that he started out in the Nixon cover-up... Wounded Bear Apr 2017 #2
Started? He LED the Nixon coverup sharedvalues Apr 2017 #3
Understood... Wounded Bear Apr 2017 #4
This book is a must read alfredo Apr 2017 #10
Agreed. Must read. And from 2006!! sharedvalues Apr 2017 #11
And I like his writing style. Another must read. alfredo Apr 2017 #15
I heard him once say the current Trump mess is worse than Bush. gordianot Apr 2017 #22
Here's the research Dean used. alfredo Apr 2017 #34
There is also a strong lack of empathy and interpersonal understanding among these types. gordianot Apr 2017 #39
That's also why he's using his property to launder bribes alfredo Apr 2017 #40
Indeed iluvtennis Apr 2017 #43
This is an absolutely outstanding book. One of the most meaningful I've read. SharonAnn Apr 2017 #48
These six words..say it all.."Trump is devoid of a conscience" Stuart G Apr 2017 #35
Any concern he expresses is for his benefit. gordianot Apr 2017 #37
And the book it was based on "The Authoritarians" by Bob Altmeyer SharonAnn Apr 2017 #47
There is a free PDF of Altmeyer's book at his site. alfredo Apr 2017 #55
"They are in cover-up mode ... showing how damn guilty they are ...." L. Coyote Apr 2017 #6
Ha a very recent one. John Dean is smart and a patriot sharedvalues Apr 2017 #7
British spies were first to spot Trump team's links with Russia L. Coyote Apr 2017 #33
Oh goody. ProudLib72 Apr 2017 #5
My money is on Don Jr TexasBushwhacker Apr 2017 #24
eric is always willing to open his mouth. might be him? KewlKat Apr 2017 #30
Sure. It could be any of them TexasBushwhacker Apr 2017 #44
Mrs. tRump's Scarsdale Apr 2017 #51
Or, both of them. But our top cop is himself guilty. L. Coyote Apr 2017 #53
Nail their asses to the floor. alfredo Apr 2017 #8
I saw him tearing that weaselly little dude... Blanks Apr 2017 #9
Watch Carl Bernstein go off on #Trump's former communications director Jason Miller L. Coyote Apr 2017 #12
That has got to be the world's worst choice in facial hair Hekate Apr 2017 #17
I was thinking the same thing! TexasBushwhacker Apr 2017 #23
Whatever you do, do not grow a goatee if you have a moon face! longship Apr 2017 #42
Merely a desperate attempt to find himself a chin. calimary Apr 2017 #57
Good job... Blanks Apr 2017 #18
trump terrified of the magnitude of Russian problem L. Coyote Apr 2017 #13
Great discussion. Thanks. LuckyLib Apr 2017 #46
"Donald Trump lies in a way we've never seen a president of the US lie L. Coyote Apr 2017 #14
This is one helluva thread. longship Apr 2017 #16
The media needs to do some one hour specials bring it all together at this point. L. Coyote Apr 2017 #41
Watch Pence being groomed to take the spot, happening right before our eyes. By the time... Hekate Apr 2017 #19
Will there be a chocolate cake dessert at that meeting? NBachers Apr 2017 #20
Only the best, the greatest, the most amazing chocolate cake. And maybe he can order a bombing... Hekate Apr 2017 #21
Yeah, it sure looks like not fooled Apr 2017 #27
Haley was floated as a VP during the primaries. yardwork Apr 2017 #38
I recall that too. Now she's getting foreign policy creds, right? Hekate Apr 2017 #45
How many trumps does it take to change a lightbulb? Achilleaze Apr 2017 #25
And report them, to boot. nt tblue37 Apr 2017 #61
Why is the impeachment taking so long? worstexever Apr 2017 #26
I know. Watergate only took 2 years. WTF. L. Coyote Apr 2017 #32
+1 (n/t) FreepFryer Apr 2017 #56
K & R this entire thread has great info VigilantG Apr 2017 #28
I feel slimy and dirty the more I learn VigilantG Apr 2017 #31
K&R... spanone Apr 2017 #29
The most beautiful piece of chocolate cake you've ever seen. dchill Apr 2017 #36
I think these details are thrown out to us like bones bucolic_frolic Apr 2017 #49
I guess Warren is going to be the target of some serious shade from Young Turks. (nt) ehrnst Apr 2017 #50
The Russian disinformation campaign and hacking had a vital effect on the election. Nitram Apr 2017 #52
Not @GCHQ --- would never refer to other than "Her Majesty's Government" L. Coyote Apr 2017 #54
That means at least two individuals with the name of Trump were caught in intercepts. L. Coyote Apr 2017 #58
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2017 #59
Rep. Cummings: White House refuses to provide a single piece of paper #Flynn #Russia L. Coyote Apr 2017 #60
What is going down down in New Zealand now? L. Coyote Apr 2017 #62

sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
1. John Dean also said there was a cover up
Sun Apr 23, 2017, 01:20 PM
Apr 2017

I can find tweet if you want.

Dean said "I have experience in this matter. It's a white house cover-up".

sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
3. Started? He LED the Nixon coverup
Sun Apr 23, 2017, 01:23 PM
Apr 2017

Nixon had Dean run the coverup.
Nixon later was trying to set up Dean as the fall guy. Dean figured it out and turned state's evidence. Got out with less than a year in jail, in the end.

Dean's recent books on authoritarianism in the GOP are must reads. Dean is (now) a patriot.

alfredo

(60,074 posts)
15. And I like his writing style. Another must read.
Sun Apr 23, 2017, 02:39 PM
Apr 2017

Trump is repeating Bush's mistakes in putting loyalty over experience.

gordianot

(15,242 posts)
22. I heard him once say the current Trump mess is worse than Bush.
Sun Apr 23, 2017, 03:33 PM
Apr 2017

In my opinion Trump has no ideology and is not a Conservative. He does match Republicans like them Trump is devoid of a conscience. John Dean continues to have insight into the monsters surrounding us. I loaned that book out (paid full price) did not get it back and since then have bought two copies as loaners from the bargain racks.

alfredo

(60,074 posts)
34. Here's the research Dean used.
Sun Apr 23, 2017, 06:48 PM
Apr 2017
http://theauthoritarians.org/Downloads/TheAuthoritarians.pdf

"Authoritarianism is something authoritarian followers and authoritarian leaders cook up between themselves. It happens when the followers submit too much to the leaders, trust them too much, and give them too much leeway to do whatever they want--which often is something undemocratic, tyrannical and brutal. In my day, authoritarian fascist and authoritarian communist dictatorships posed the biggest threats to democracies, and eventually lost to them in wars both hot and cold. But authoritarianism itself has not disappeared, and I=m going to present the case in this book that the greatest threat to American democracy today arises from a militant authoritarianism that has become a cancer upon the nation."

gordianot

(15,242 posts)
39. There is also a strong lack of empathy and interpersonal understanding among these types.
Sun Apr 23, 2017, 09:12 PM
Apr 2017

They are so egocentric they honestly believe what they have is what they deserve. At the first sign of adversity it is your fault.

Stuart G

(38,436 posts)
35. These six words..say it all.."Trump is devoid of a conscience"
Sun Apr 23, 2017, 08:17 PM
Apr 2017

If this is true, then war is coming. Not because it is necessary for the United States, but because it would be necessary for Trump. I sure hope Trump does not go there. Others can list the reasons. I cannot.

gordianot

(15,242 posts)
37. Any concern he expresses is for his benefit.
Sun Apr 23, 2017, 09:04 PM
Apr 2017

My Father devout Republican worked on Trump properties in NYC in the early 90's. He despised Trump for stiffing contractors at the time and would throw out there it was because Trump was a Democrat. Trump will not start a war unless it is to his personal financial benefit or a distraction from his crimes.

SharonAnn

(13,776 posts)
47. And the book it was based on "The Authoritarians" by Bob Altmeyer
Mon Apr 24, 2017, 01:24 AM
Apr 2017
http://www.lulu.com/shop/bob-altemeyer/the-authoritarians/paperback/product-1125075.html. The entire book was free on this website, http://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~altemey/, but the link to it doesn't seem to be available right now.

It is a very readable academic study of authoritarian beliefs and behavior. When I read it, i began to understand how this entire belief system works and it explained so much about what we've seen happen over the years about the Republicans moving every more right-wing and the Democrats being pulled away from the left and toward the center.

I highly recommend both "Conservatives Without Conscience" and "The Authoritarians".

TexasBushwhacker

(20,203 posts)
44. Sure. It could be any of them
Mon Apr 24, 2017, 12:09 AM
Apr 2017

And when they said "more than one Trump" I guess it could be Melania too.

Scarsdale

(9,426 posts)
51. Mrs. tRump's
Mon Apr 24, 2017, 09:31 AM
Apr 2017

parents, members of the Communist Party in their homeland, now live at tRump Tower, splitting their time at Mar-A-Largo. What do they do for a living, to live so large? Is he an organizer of the Russian high stakes gambling ring in the tower? How did THEY get visas to enter this country??

Blanks

(4,835 posts)
9. I saw him tearing that weaselly little dude...
Sun Apr 23, 2017, 01:40 PM
Apr 2017

Whose name escapes me (worked on Trump campaign) a new asshole on CNN the other day.

Weaselly little dude claimed that NOTHING had been found and Bernstein let him have it.

Hekate

(90,714 posts)
17. That has got to be the world's worst choice in facial hair
Sun Apr 23, 2017, 03:06 PM
Apr 2017

Last edited Sun Apr 23, 2017, 04:15 PM - Edit history (1)

I'm not sure what would complement that odd facial landscape, but that's not it.

TexasBushwhacker

(20,203 posts)
23. I was thinking the same thing!
Sun Apr 23, 2017, 04:11 PM
Apr 2017

I realize that the right facial hair can cover a weak chin or just aging in general, but Miller's just calls attention to ALL his chins, weak and otherwise.

calimary

(81,323 posts)
57. Merely a desperate attempt to find himself a chin.
Mon Apr 24, 2017, 01:04 PM
Apr 2017

And fool everyone else into thinking he actually has one.

Blanks

(4,835 posts)
18. Good job...
Sun Apr 23, 2017, 03:15 PM
Apr 2017

That is the exchange I was talking about, and Jason Miller is 'the weaselly one' to whom I was referring.

I saw another one of Trump's campaign morons (financial adviser) spouting some kind of 'tax cuts stimulating the economy' nonsense, and some other guy called him on his bullshit. This disaster would come to an end sooner if things like that were allowed to happen once in a while.

longship

(40,416 posts)
16. This is one helluva thread.
Sun Apr 23, 2017, 02:58 PM
Apr 2017

The reportage here is on target. Something is rotten at the core. Listen to Carl Bernstein, David Frum, and John Dean in the coming days. They seem to be aligned on this, which has to be a good thing.

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
41. The media needs to do some one hour specials bring it all together at this point.
Sun Apr 23, 2017, 10:36 PM
Apr 2017

There is so much already, but the distractions are too many too.

But this particular report, at least two Trump's on recordings, is new. I'm not finding much more, but Palmer Report ran with it and is is propagating from there extensively. Say what you will about Palmer, he gets tweeted a lot.




Hekate

(90,714 posts)
19. Watch Pence being groomed to take the spot, happening right before our eyes. By the time...
Sun Apr 23, 2017, 03:17 PM
Apr 2017

...the Mad King is yanked off the stage, even most of the guys in MAGA hats should feel some relief.

What's more intriguing is what Nikki Haley is up to. Who's giving her direction for her role at the UN? There's some indication she's making it up for herself. Further, who initiated that upcoming trip to the White House for the entire UN Security Council? Again, I got the impression from today's talking heads that Nikki is initiating this. She can't possibly believe, by now, that a lunchtime conversation with DTs will do anything to make him more intelligent. But it sure makes her look ... Vice Presidential, at a minimum.

Hekate

(90,714 posts)
21. Only the best, the greatest, the most amazing chocolate cake. And maybe he can order a bombing...
Sun Apr 23, 2017, 03:30 PM
Apr 2017

...during dessert again to show what a manly man he is.

not fooled

(5,801 posts)
27. Yeah, it sure looks like
Sun Apr 23, 2017, 04:22 PM
Apr 2017

the pukes are propping her up to be a credible veep or more, ultimately. Looks good on teevee and can walk & talk at the same time.

Of course, she's just another shill for their execrable policies. But, enough rubes have been fooled by less.

yardwork

(61,651 posts)
38. Haley was floated as a VP during the primaries.
Sun Apr 23, 2017, 09:11 PM
Apr 2017

Republican governors thought she was a likely VP pick, back when they assumed the presidential nominee wouldn't be Trump.

Achilleaze

(15,543 posts)
25. How many trumps does it take to change a lightbulb?
Sun Apr 23, 2017, 04:15 PM
Apr 2017

Trumps don't do that kind of work. They would hire an illegal immigrant at sub minimum wage to do it for them, and then find some cheesy way to cheat them out of their wages.

VigilantG

(374 posts)
28. K & R this entire thread has great info
Sun Apr 23, 2017, 05:57 PM
Apr 2017

Other news of hackers being arrested abroad has got to be unnerving to Trumpskis too!

And then this guy! Russian father (Oligarch) upset about his son's sentencing for hacking millions.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-39672498

The depth and breadth of this corruption is far-reaching...explains why FBI investigations are so lengthy too. I want this to be over, too, but better right than fast. Unless Trump blows us up first. I just hope our military is ready to step in if Trump feels backed into a corner.

bucolic_frolic

(43,191 posts)
49. I think these details are thrown out to us like bones
Mon Apr 24, 2017, 06:26 AM
Apr 2017

to latch onto something tangible, meanwhile there is a lot more going
on behind the scenes. Pee play. Really! A roomful of pros and you wanted
to watch them pee? Is that credible?

Chocolate cake? A distraction. Who executes war policy over dessert?
Let them eat chocolate cake. Seriously?

We are being played.

Nitram

(22,822 posts)
52. The Russian disinformation campaign and hacking had a vital effect on the election.
Mon Apr 24, 2017, 09:50 AM
Apr 2017

Along with the Comey effect, Trump won by the smallest of margins.

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