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GliderGuider

(21,088 posts)
Tue Apr 25, 2017, 11:15 AM Apr 2017

Comey didn't blow up Clinton. Chaffetz did.

What Comey said on July 5:

https://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/press-releases/statement-by-fbi-director-james-b-comey-on-the-investigation-of-secretary-hillary-clinton2019s-use-of-a-personal-e-mail-system

Finally, with respect to our recommendation to the Department of Justice:

Although there is evidence of potential violations of the statutes regarding the handling of classified information, our judgment is that no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case. Prosecutors necessarily weigh a number of factors before bringing charges. There are obvious considerations, like the strength of the evidence, especially regarding intent. Responsible decisions also consider the context of a person’s actions, and how similar situations have been handled in the past.

In looking back at our investigations into mishandling or removal of classified information, we cannot find a case that would support bringing criminal charges on these facts. All the cases prosecuted involved some combination of: clearly intentional and willful mishandling of classified information; or vast quantities of materials exposed in such a way as to support an inference of intentional misconduct; or indications of disloyalty to the United States; or efforts to obstruct justice. We do not see those things here.

What Comey said on October 28:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/11/06/read-full-text-comeys-letter-new-clinton-emails/93398304/

Based on our review, we have not changed our conclusions that we expressed in July with respect to Secretary Clinton.

What Chaffetz tweeted:


Comey's October letter is exculpatory on its own merits. The most that can be said against Comey in hindsight is that he erred by not explicitly re-stating the FBI's earlier conclusions in his October letter. The single tweet by Chaffetz, along with the subsequent media attention it drew, twisted the story into alignment with GOP/Russian propaganda.

(On edit: He spun it by not saying which investigation it was pertinent to and what case had been re-opened (hint: it was not the Clinton server investigation) and leading people to draw an erroneous conclusion.)

The anger and hatred directed at James Comey here and elsewhere is IMO utterly misplaced. It belongs solely to another JC: Jason Chaffetz.
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Comey didn't blow up Clinton. Chaffetz did. (Original Post) GliderGuider Apr 2017 OP
While it is true, Comey never reopened the investigation with the letter he sent to the still_one Apr 2017 #1
"he knew what the results would be" is an assumption based on facts not in evidence. GliderGuider Apr 2017 #3
The AG told him not to do it this close to the election. The asshole knew that it would impact the still_one Apr 2017 #10
+1, Comey going against Lynn's wishes Comey is at fault !! There's a 60 day period where the FBI uponit7771 Apr 2017 #33
yup uponit. There is no ambiguity here still_one Apr 2017 #36
Agree 100% LOL Lib Apr 2017 #2
I agree 100% with your 'Agree 100%'. randome Apr 2017 #17
Fist bump lol! LOL Lib Apr 2017 #18
he had a choice. He chose to protect his personal reputation delisen Apr 2017 #27
In due time you will see. Do you really think President Obama lied to us regarding Comey's integr? LOL Lib Apr 2017 #28
No, he could simply just be wrong uponit7771 Apr 2017 #34
I don't understand why you bring up lying regarding Obama's statement delisen Apr 2017 #41
President Obama wanted to show he is willing to work with republicans. LisaL Apr 2017 #43
He Did A CYA For The FBI Me. Apr 2017 #4
As I said above, that's an assumption based not in fact but in feeling. GliderGuider Apr 2017 #5
The Fact Is He Passed On SOP Me. Apr 2017 #20
RIGHT !! There was SOP of 60 days and his boss said don't do it ... Comey gets no quarters here uponit7771 Apr 2017 #35
Comey's malpractice will go down in history as the main cause of oasis Apr 2017 #6
you are conflating two different comey letters. boston bean Apr 2017 #7
How so? I thought I'd been clear which two letters I was talking about. GliderGuider Apr 2017 #8
ok, maybe my mistake. Still, I think you are wrong. The second letter came way too late boston bean Apr 2017 #9
The July news release said it was a nothingburger. The October letter confirmed that. GliderGuider Apr 2017 #12
the first comey letter in October. boston bean Apr 2017 #13
??? Date or link to the letter you refer to? GliderGuider Apr 2017 #16
here: boston bean Apr 2017 #22
The second letter came out on the Friday before the election. In fact Comey still_one Apr 2017 #21
Exactly. When the AG told him not to do it because it was 11 days before the election, he went still_one Apr 2017 #15
+1 uponit7771 Apr 2017 #37
I agree Comey was squeezed cilla4progress Apr 2017 #11
I suspect that Chaffetz change of heart has more to do with laundered roubles. nt GliderGuider Apr 2017 #14
Well let's hope then cilla4progress Apr 2017 #19
1. They sat on the Weiner's computer for over a month. 2. The letter he wrote still_one Apr 2017 #23
Here's an excellent article on this mess. Comey was scared of what wingnut GOP might do to him emulatorloo Apr 2017 #24
The NYTimes article a few days ago said Comey released the letter because still_one Apr 2017 #25
Yes. The article I linked is a commentary on the NYT piece. Connects the dots together emulatorloo Apr 2017 #26
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ still_one Apr 2017 #32
So NYT wants us to buy that Comey believed by LisaL Apr 2017 #42
Amazing isn't it still_one Apr 2017 #44
So AT LEAST the wiser thing to do would do nothing ... cause now dems see him as someone who's ... uponit7771 Apr 2017 #39
Reading between the lines, Republicans just threw Flynn under the bus, but not Chaffetz. L. Coyote Apr 2017 #29
That figures. nt GliderGuider Apr 2017 #30
Comey unjustly targeted Clinton on many occasions, like with the July press conference. StevieM Apr 2017 #31
+1, this this and this !!!! If Comey didn't NEEDLESSLY editorialize his findings ... maybe ... he'd uponit7771 Apr 2017 #38
No matter what your opinion of the man is, you should pray that he's straight. GliderGuider Apr 2017 #40
Nah, it's a pattern with him. Nothing accidental, involuntary or unintended about it. ucrdem Apr 2017 #45

still_one

(92,422 posts)
1. While it is true, Comey never reopened the investigation with the letter he sent to the
Tue Apr 25, 2017, 11:21 AM
Apr 2017

republicans in Congress, he knew exactly what the results would be.

MSNBC was the first network to report as breaking news that "the email investigation had been reopened". THAT WAS A LIE.

They then proceeded to parade every right wing politician across their screen for the next two hours. Soon all the other networks joined in the same chorus.

Both Comey and Chaffetz deserve all scorn that can be thrown at them.

 

GliderGuider

(21,088 posts)
3. "he knew what the results would be" is an assumption based on facts not in evidence.
Tue Apr 25, 2017, 11:27 AM
Apr 2017

Comey was very clear in what he said. But he expected people to read his words with their bright minds, not their dark souls. Instead of assuming "he knew" or even "he should have known" one could equally assume he was pressured into sending a letter that did not implicate Clinton in anything... There is as yet no actual evidence for one over the other.

still_one

(92,422 posts)
10. The AG told him not to do it this close to the election. The asshole knew that it would impact the
Tue Apr 25, 2017, 11:52 AM
Apr 2017

election

He is not naïveté, and that is exactly what you are portraying him as

perhaps you missed his version in the NYTimes where he defended his actions by saying he did it to stay above the political fray. The evidence is right before your eyes. 11 days before a critical election

Comey can go to hell. He is a POS with no integrity



uponit7771

(90,364 posts)
33. +1, Comey going against Lynn's wishes Comey is at fault !! There's a 60 day period where the FBI
Tue Apr 25, 2017, 05:21 PM
Apr 2017

... etc shouldn't get involved

LOL Lib

(1,462 posts)
2. Agree 100%
Tue Apr 25, 2017, 11:24 AM
Apr 2017

I've been saying this for a while but there are many on DU who disagree. President Obama had faith in Comey for some reason and I trust President Obama.

ChaffedNutz and Giuliani were going to leak the fake email shit and make Comey look like he was a Clinton shill. He had no choice. He didn't release Trump info because Dems weren't playing dirty like GOP pigs.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
17. I agree 100% with your 'Agree 100%'.
Tue Apr 25, 2017, 11:56 AM
Apr 2017

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Birds are territorial creatures.
The lyrics to the songbird's melodious trill go something like this:
"Stay out of my territory or I'll PECK YOUR GODDAMNED EYES OUT!"
[/center][/font][hr]

delisen

(6,044 posts)
27. he had a choice. He chose to protect his personal reputation
Tue Apr 25, 2017, 02:08 PM
Apr 2017

against false smears rather than our election. He served himself not us

LOL Lib

(1,462 posts)
28. In due time you will see. Do you really think President Obama lied to us regarding Comey's integr?
Tue Apr 25, 2017, 02:22 PM
Apr 2017

Integrity?

delisen

(6,044 posts)
41. I don't understand why you bring up lying regarding Obama's statement
Tue Apr 25, 2017, 05:39 PM
Apr 2017

about Comey being a good man.

One can be a good man and make a very bad decision.

LisaL

(44,974 posts)
43. President Obama wanted to show he is willing to work with republicans.
Tue Apr 25, 2017, 05:47 PM
Apr 2017

And look what came out of it.

Me.

(35,454 posts)
4. He Did A CYA For The FBI
Tue Apr 25, 2017, 11:27 AM
Apr 2017

He's not a stupid man, and it wasn't an 'oh gosh, I didn't know this could happen' moment. He's been around more than one or two blocks and knew, imho, exactly who he was dealing with in Chaffetz.

 

GliderGuider

(21,088 posts)
5. As I said above, that's an assumption based not in fact but in feeling.
Tue Apr 25, 2017, 11:30 AM
Apr 2017

The facts (i.e. the two letters) don't speak to such a conclusion at all.

oasis

(49,410 posts)
6. Comey's malpractice will go down in history as the main cause of
Tue Apr 25, 2017, 11:34 AM
Apr 2017

Hillary not attaining the necessary votes to reach the White House.

Although Comey's true intent will probably never be revealed, he blew it, big time.

 

GliderGuider

(21,088 posts)
8. How so? I thought I'd been clear which two letters I was talking about.
Tue Apr 25, 2017, 11:43 AM
Apr 2017

The second one made reference to the conclusions outlined in the first (actually the first was not a letter but a news release.) No conflation there.

Is there another significant letter I have not mentioned?

boston bean

(36,223 posts)
9. ok, maybe my mistake. Still, I think you are wrong. The second letter came way too late
Tue Apr 25, 2017, 11:44 AM
Apr 2017

to make a difference.

The first letter did the damage, the second letter did diddly squat to minimize the danger.

 

GliderGuider

(21,088 posts)
12. The July news release said it was a nothingburger. The October letter confirmed that.
Tue Apr 25, 2017, 11:53 AM
Apr 2017

I don't see the damage you're talking about, which IMO all came from the Chaffetz tweet.

 

GliderGuider

(21,088 posts)
16. ??? Date or link to the letter you refer to?
Tue Apr 25, 2017, 11:56 AM
Apr 2017

AFAIK there was only one letter on the 28th. Google shows nothing re an earlier letter. Can you clarify?

boston bean

(36,223 posts)
22. here:
Tue Apr 25, 2017, 12:03 PM
Apr 2017
This is what Comey sent on 10/28:

Dear Messrs Chairmen:

In previous congressional testimony, l referred to the fact that the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) had completed its investigation of former Secretary Clinton's personal email server. Due to recent developments, I am writing to supplement my previous testimony.

In connection with an unrelated case, the FBI has learned of the existence of emails that appear to be pertinent to the investigation. I am writing to inform you that the investigative team briefed me on this yesterday, and I agreed that the FBI should take appropriate investigative steps designed to allow investigators to review these emails to determine whether they contain classified information, as well as to assess their importance to our investigation.
Although the FBI cannot yet assess whether or not this material may be significant, and I cannot predict how long it will take us to complete this additional work, I believe it is important to update your Committees about our efforts in light of my previous testimony.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/full-text-fbi-letter-announcing-new-clinton-review-230463


This is what Comey sent on Nov 7th, two days before the election:

"Based on our review, we have not changed our conclusions that we expressed in July," Comey wrote in the new letter to congressional committee chairmen.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/06/politics/comey-tells-congress-fbi-has-not-changed-conclusions/


Is that clear?

still_one

(92,422 posts)
21. The second letter came out on the Friday before the election. In fact Comey
Tue Apr 25, 2017, 12:00 PM
Apr 2017

initially was trying to say it could take a long time to determine if it was relevant. It was only after experts in the field called him out on that, that it was finished by the end of the week

And yes, after all the damage had been done, and then on Friday afternoon

still_one

(92,422 posts)
15. Exactly. When the AG told him not to do it because it was 11 days before the election, he went
Tue Apr 25, 2017, 11:55 AM
Apr 2017

ahead and did it anyway speaks volumes that the asshole knew exacatly what he was doing

cilla4progress

(24,777 posts)
11. I agree Comey was squeezed
Tue Apr 25, 2017, 11:52 AM
Apr 2017

Easy to see in hindsight the error of his decision.

So, can we connect this to Chaffetz's recent turnabout on re-running and possibly even quitting partway through his term?

still_one

(92,422 posts)
23. 1. They sat on the Weiner's computer for over a month. 2. The letter he wrote
Tue Apr 25, 2017, 12:15 PM
Apr 2017

11 days before the election to the republicans in Congress said he didn't know if it contained relevant information. (What does that mean? Maybe yes, maybe no. How do you think that sounds to a voting public 11 days before an election.

3. The AG specifically told him NOT to release the letter to the republicans in Congress this close to the election because it would have an impact.

4. After the letter he said it could take time to analyze if the information was relevant. It was only after computer experts called him out that by saying it should take a few days did he say they were working hard to see.

5. He released the final conclusion that there was nothing new on the Friday the week before the election.

Poor naive Comey. (NOT!!!!!!!!)

emulatorloo

(44,187 posts)
24. Here's an excellent article on this mess. Comey was scared of what wingnut GOP might do to him
Tue Apr 25, 2017, 01:51 PM
Apr 2017

But didn't really care about Dems.

James Comey’s Fear of Everyone—Except Democrats—Helped Donald Trump Upset Hillary Clinton
Comey thought a lot about the rabid Republican zealots he could offend by doing his job and enforcing the law, and not at all about the Democrats he trusted would be docile and play by the rules.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/04/24/james-comey-s-fear-of-everyone-except-democrats-helped-donald-trump-upset-hillary-clinton.html

We see in three instances that he feared the wrath of the Republicans. One, if he didn’t break precedent and speak harshly of Clinton while officially exonerating her last summer. So he spoke harshly. Two, if he didn’t announce in late October that the investigation was reopened. So he announced the investigation (which, as we learned too late, again amounted to nothing) was reopened.

And three, if the Republicans in Congress decided post-election to include him and the bureau in its inevitable Clinton witch hunts. So he beat them to the witch hunt, and finally said she was clear just as she drowned. The article doesn’t say this, but surely Comey also feared GOP wrath if he did confirm before the election that Donald Trump was under investigation too, which he finally confirmed last month.

Snip

But nowhere does the article say that Comey feared how Democrats would react if he raked Clinton over the rhetorical coals without bringing charges. Of course he didn’t! Democrats don’t scare anybody.

As I recall things, some Democrats expressed some outrage, but it was scattered, nothing like what the Republicans would have done had the shoe been on the other foot. It took the efforts of Matt Miller, a former Justice Department spokesman for Eric Holder, to crystallize for people the contention that what Comey did was in fact outrageous. Miller called it an “abuse of power,” and he was right—and I confess that even I didn’t see things that way until I read Miller’s writings about it.


Much more at link.

still_one

(92,422 posts)
25. The NYTimes article a few days ago said Comey released the letter because
Tue Apr 25, 2017, 01:57 PM
Apr 2017

he didn't want to show favoritism, and stay above the political fray

So, we have an FBI director who say he wants to get the FBI above the political fray, who then immerses the FBI into the political fray.

Sorry, but give me a break

In other words, I don't buy it, but it is an interesting blurb from the daily beast

emulatorloo

(44,187 posts)
26. Yes. The article I linked is a commentary on the NYT piece. Connects the dots together
Tue Apr 25, 2017, 02:02 PM
Apr 2017

that NYT didn't connect. Comey fucked up badly.

LisaL

(44,974 posts)
42. So NYT wants us to buy that Comey believed by
Tue Apr 25, 2017, 05:44 PM
Apr 2017

releasing information about investigation into Clinton's emails (but nothing about investigation into Trump's campaign and Russia) he wasn't showing favoritism?

uponit7771

(90,364 posts)
39. So AT LEAST the wiser thing to do would do nothing ... cause now dems see him as someone who's ...
Tue Apr 25, 2017, 05:28 PM
Apr 2017

... partisan.

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
31. Comey unjustly targeted Clinton on many occasions, like with the July press conference.
Tue Apr 25, 2017, 02:53 PM
Apr 2017

He never had a legitimate reason to be investigating her to begin with.

And, yes, Chaffetz is even worse. He is a career criminal. And his actions warrant censure by the House of Representatives.

uponit7771

(90,364 posts)
38. +1, this this and this !!!! If Comey didn't NEEDLESSLY editorialize his findings ... maybe ... he'd
Tue Apr 25, 2017, 05:25 PM
Apr 2017

.... get the benefit of the doubt

 

GliderGuider

(21,088 posts)
40. No matter what your opinion of the man is, you should pray that he's straight.
Tue Apr 25, 2017, 05:32 PM
Apr 2017

Because as far as I can tell, he and Dana Boente are all that's standing between your nation and the abyss.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
45. Nah, it's a pattern with him. Nothing accidental, involuntary or unintended about it.
Tue Apr 25, 2017, 05:53 PM
Apr 2017

Oh the tales I could tell were it not for the very reasonable limits on polite internet discourse. Also, fwiw, I don't think his skillful swiftboating was determinative, but it gave the usual suspects cover for their thievery.

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