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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsPSA: "would of", "could of", "should of", "might of" are meaningless phrases.
I don't mean that in a philosophical sense -- literally, they are uninterpretable. The correct phrasings are "would have", "could have", "should have", "might have".
There's a reason the contractions are spelled "would've", etc.
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(52,332 posts)WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)Iggo
(47,571 posts)cwydro
(51,308 posts)Thank you for this.
And it's "hear, hear" not "here, here". That one drives me nuts.
MineralMan
(146,333 posts)"There, there." I've done that a few times, but the original poster rarely seems to understand what I meant.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)That's hilarious!
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,045 posts)Orrex
(63,225 posts)spooky3
(34,483 posts)DetlefK
(16,423 posts)Sculpin Beauregard
(1,046 posts)eppur_se_muova
(36,299 posts)at least one author explained that it was a call to action.
PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)Exilednight
(9,359 posts)If written in traditional Japanese, then yes I read it backwards when compared to western books.
PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)ProfessorGAC
(65,212 posts)Doesn't it? Good one!
unblock
(52,332 posts)at least some episodes of columbo (maybe all, i don't remember) started with the actual crime, the audience would see exactly whodunit.
the real "mystery" was figuring out exactly how columbo would figure it out and/or get the perp to confess.
PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)ProfessorGAC
(65,212 posts)Good call!
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Well played!
Bucky
(54,084 posts)PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... or can often be, slurred and as a result, it may become ambiguous to the listener.
Conversationally, a listener is likely to may misunderstand someone's pronunciation of "would've" to be "would of".
Then, once that version of the phrase is cemented in their brain, that's how they say it (and write it) going forward.
Weird how human brains work and process information.
Bigredhunk
(1,351 posts)Drives me nuts too. People are just starting to go with what it sounds like (sounds like "should of," so that's what I'll write). The world is starting to become IDIOCRACY, in which people who speak correctly sound "weird."
Others which piss me off:
less than instead of fewer than
worse instead of worst
bias instead of biased
dribble instead of drivel
here instead of hear
hole instead of whole
when people pronounce hundred like hundret
Go look at the 21 (20 unverified, since they haven't bought the book and are just rw trolls) 1-star reviews for Liz Warren's new book over on Amazon. One review is 2 words long - "Very condisending." Another began, All the "pundants."
Bucky
(54,084 posts)depending on the circumstance
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,045 posts)Use "fewer than" for plural individual items like people that are counted.
Use "less than" for singular aggregates like sand that are measured
If you like people, think of them as individuals, even when in groups. People is actually a plural. There are never "less people", though a Republicon might say that because profits matter more than people to Republicons.
We count people but we measure sand.
"fewer people"
"less sand"
We count threads but measure aggravation.
"fewer threads"
"less aggravation"
"The sustainable car design had fewer parts."
"The sustainable car design had less metal."
Occasionally we count aggravations; in those case we use "fewer". Both of these are good: one counts and one measures:
"By changing jobs Sally had fewer aggravations in her life."
"By changing jobs Sally had less aggravation in her life."
eppur_se_muova
(36,299 posts)I notice express checkout lines are always for "10 items or less" ...
I think the people who make signs always try to use as few letters as possible -- that leads to larger, easier-to-read letters and it may be cheaper as well (especially traffic signs). So ... less, not fewer, is cheaper.
Bucky
(54,084 posts)I will print this out and staple it to the corner of my English degree
subterranean
(3,427 posts)I see that one a lot.
Response to Bigredhunk (Reply #14)
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Aristus
(66,467 posts)Because it's obvious that these people learn their speech patterns, and the perceived spelling of them, from listening to other not-very-bright people, instead of from reading.
aidbo
(2,328 posts)Bucky
(54,084 posts)Blanks
(4,835 posts)Jk
WillowTree
(5,325 posts)Breath is a noun. "He was out of breath."
Breathe is a verb. "He found it difficult to breathe."
I rarely see those used correctly.
BSdetect
(8,999 posts)LisaM
(27,840 posts)"oftentimes".
shanti
(21,675 posts)BSdetect
(8,999 posts)Deja u all over
First said as a joke in some movie or TV program and now repeated by idiots as if it is the correct use of deja vu.
Bucky
(54,084 posts)The virus is spreading.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,869 posts)LaydeeBug
(10,291 posts)Rhiannon12866
(206,125 posts)beastie boy
(9,461 posts)... comparing wood of known species. And now I am confused. Help....
Mr. Evil
(2,856 posts)it also drives me to the edge when people use "looser" to describe a "loser."
Sometimes I'll present an example so that they may (most likely not) learn the difference.
Lose rhymes with Snooze.
Loose rhymes with Noose.
Also there's the daily misuse of "there, their and they're."
Another example I use:
They're putting their money there.
LisaM
(27,840 posts)It never hurts to say it twice, though!
LisaM
(27,840 posts)mostly so it's not directed at anyone. So while we're at it, please note that advice and advise are two different words, as are loose and lose.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,045 posts)Presidents serve the people. They don't "service" the people.
Likewise, waiters serve diners, they don't "service" diners.
When we take a car in to the garage for its 15,000 mile service, the mechanics service it.
japple
(9,842 posts)Example of the need for a literate person to edit and proofread these works.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,045 posts)Cool screen name.
The sign was carried by a linguist.
As you would know, but not many of our readers, "eppur si muove" is what Galileo is alleged to have muttered after being forced to submit to church doctrine: "and yet it moves" (referring to the Earth's motion; that the earth revolves around the Sun rather than the other way around).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_yet_it_moves
FakeNoose
(32,777 posts)I wouldn't have known that one, but I do know some good puns in German.
Nobody would get them here so I'm not going to post them.
Here's one of my favorite lines from the West Wing:
eppur_se_muova
(36,299 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(49,045 posts)It doesn't matter for a screen name. And the 'a'? Wear it proudly! Though I think you can change a user name once every Presidential cycle (might have to ask Admins this time around).
keithbvadu2
(36,937 posts)Shoulda, Woulda, Coulda
Ain't that the truth?
(There's a freebie for ya)
"I coulda been a contender"
George II
(67,782 posts)True Dough
(17,331 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(49,045 posts)BamaRefugee
(3,487 posts)BamaRefugee
(3,487 posts)Skidmore
(37,364 posts)And it's "disdain," not "distain."
Warpy
(111,359 posts)The cure is reading, lots of reading, especially reading things you will not enjoy reading but which use the English language the most beautifully and will stay with you after you finish them.
Anthony Trollope taught my ex how to spell. If a series of Victorian novels can accomplish that, they can accomplish everything.
Ms. Toad
(34,102 posts)based on spelling, grammar, or misuse of words.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Gah!
Blaukraut
(5,695 posts)English is my second language which makes me pay especially close attention to those mistakes. I constantly correct my poor husband. He used to use proper grammar, but it has deteriorated over the years.
Sculpin Beauregard
(1,046 posts)"free reign" instead of "free rein" drives me up the wall.
Blanks
(4,835 posts)But I have my own problems. So I resist the urge to beat people up about their errors even though at times that urge is quite strong.
Affect and effect are words I'm likely to get mixed up. I don't read books as frequently as I did at one time. I'm gonna blame losing the distinction to the differences between the two words on that personal habit change, even though a quick googling yields a swift explanation of the difference. Clearly, laziness is another component to my incorrect use of certain words.
I don't see spelling and grammar issues around here as often as I see them on FaceBook because I am from Idaho and live in Arkansas, but I just want to scream when I see 'should of.' So thanks for the PSA.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)Blanks
(4,835 posts)Is that one of them is a verb and the other a noun, but I can't remember which is which without looking it up.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)eppur_se_muova
(36,299 posts)Affect as a noun is a term used in psychology, so you rarely encounter it.
Effect as a verb is used mostly by more literate folks, so it's less common.
I can't think of a good mnemonic. I have a hard time just remembering how to spell "mnemonic". Maybe ... If you turn the A in Affect upside down, it looks like a V for verb, but if you rotate the E in Effect in looks kind of like ... well, it looks kind of like an M, not an N. Don't know if that helps anybody.
How about: Affect = Change/Influence; Effect = Result
A before E in the alphabet, as is C/I before R. Kind of hard to remember, though.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)referring to the lesser-used denotations, else he would not get mixed-up in the first place, so I decided not to reply with a lengthy disquisition.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)hi's, our's, their's, or your's." Thus, it is ALSO NOT "it's" as a Possessive Pronoun.
0rganism
(23,971 posts)"begging the question" indicates circular reasoning, where one assumes the conclusion of an argument
"raising the question" means you brought up something new for consideration, and possible begging down the road
YoungDemCA
(5,714 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Just kidding. I appreciate this.
PDittie
(8,322 posts)knowing your shit and knowing you're shit.
DFW
(54,445 posts)I've seen links to right wing boards. They are full of this kind of sloppy writing. They interchange their-there-they're, they interchange loose-lose, they interchange your-you're, and they frequently use an apostrophe at random to form a plural (they'll watch "the Simpsons" while cursing "the Clinton's" . "Would of" and "could of" are just another part of the same Republicanese grammar.
eppur_se_muova
(36,299 posts)SchrodingersCatbox
(89 posts)"Free reign", it's "free rein"
"tow the line" = "toe the line"
And misuse of "comprise". People use out when they mean "compose". A group comprises its members, it's not "comprised of" its members.
Sculpin Beauregard
(1,046 posts)instead of "responsible for". Drives me up the wall.
"Billy is responsible to mow the lawn" is not correct.
"Billy is responsible for mowing the lawn" is correct.