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Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
Tue Jul 3, 2012, 06:14 PM Jul 2012

RW brains will be exploding if they were watching Jonathan Krohn

on Hardball (MSNBC) just now, the former 13 year-old conservative wunderkind from 3 years ago.

He's now 17 and has declared his intellectual independence.

Nevertheless, his present-day political sympathies are obviously left-leaning and he can already critically out-think and out-debate any RW mouthpiece on the air.

He's openly in favor of same-sex marriage, is pro-choice and says if he could (he won't be 18 yet) he'd vote for Obama. This kid has skillz!

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RW brains will be exploding if they were watching Jonathan Krohn (Original Post) Surya Gayatri Jul 2012 OP
That was fall down funny malaise Jul 2012 #1
I was cheering for the kid! Even Smerconish couldn't keep up with him! Surya Gayatri Jul 2012 #3
wangers don't watch m$nbc... spanone Jul 2012 #2
wangers!! patrice Jul 2012 #4
Can't tell...don't forget, Smerconish is nominally one Surya Gayatri Jul 2012 #6
He declared independence from the repub party EC Jul 2012 #53
Hallelujah! He always seemed just a tad too Surya Gayatri Jul 2012 #55
Bill Maher must have gotten to him... lame54 Jul 2012 #5
You're right, lame54--in fact, in an article about Surya Gayatri Jul 2012 #7
Ah, it's THAT kid! He seemed to be pretty much a talking-point parrot anyway arcane1 Jul 2012 #28
RW brains?!? bluerum Jul 2012 #8
Word! I "misspoke"! LOL! Surya Gayatri Jul 2012 #9
I understand him completely SoutherDem Jul 2012 #10
I was more conservative when young too. ananda Jul 2012 #11
Me too, SoutherDem...I remember being in favor Surya Gayatri Jul 2012 #14
I wondered what those small popping sounds were. I thought they were just cheap firecrackers. Tom Ripley Jul 2012 #12
Sorry folks, but this little shit conservative kid Raven Jul 2012 #13
If droves of R-Wingers were duped into buying Surya Gayatri Jul 2012 #16
His parents were not political. He was getting info from talk radio. immoderate Jul 2012 #19
Very true, imm, he expressly said his parents Surya Gayatri Jul 2012 #22
I don't know what his parents were politically but Raven Jul 2012 #24
His speech was all fact-free buzz words and regurgitated talking points arcane1 Jul 2012 #29
I agree; he just wants David Brock's gig Tom Ripley Jul 2012 #49
He's already got his sights on a national media career at 17? Surya Gayatri Jul 2012 #56
That makes him no different than any other child performer looking for future gigs Tom Ripley Jul 2012 #59
But who had the radio on? AC_Mem Jul 2012 #27
Of course, his parents weren't political; the following was just ...uh...uh...uh...coincidental... Tom Ripley Jul 2012 #48
Yet he ultimately showed some independence of thought. immoderate Jul 2012 #62
HE WAS 13 YEARS OLD! Odin2005 Jul 2012 #38
I have to agree. nt AverageJoe90 Jul 2012 #46
Agreed. Young people do stupid things that shouldn't be held against them NickB79 Jul 2012 #60
I supported Ventura as a kid. UGH! Odin2005 Jul 2012 #61
RWers don't really care.... Kalidurga Jul 2012 #15
True Kali...I don't visit RW sites, but I just know he's being Surya Gayatri Jul 2012 #17
Isn't it damaging to your brand ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2012 #18
Well, he's a 17-year-old high school graduate now, Surya Gayatri Jul 2012 #20
And I thought that was just fireworks going off in my neighborhood.... lastlib Jul 2012 #21
If you listen closely, you can detect a rather Surya Gayatri Jul 2012 #23
This is what happens when you let a kid read. nolabear Jul 2012 #25
Yeah, look at Texas where they're about to outlaw the teaching Surya Gayatri Jul 2012 #30
When I was a 14 year old, I thought Ronnie Raygun was a good President. muntrv Jul 2012 #26
I defended Tricky Dick Nixon in my high school Surya Gayatri Jul 2012 #31
Next he'll be coming out? ErikJ Jul 2012 #32
Well that's a weird extrapolation. nolabear Jul 2012 #34
Like me? duh. Puberty just might explain his sudden turnabout. ErikJ Jul 2012 #35
Does he have to be gay to support marriage equality? Surya Gayatri Jul 2012 #36
Reply from RWer about Krohn ErikJ Jul 2012 #33
I hope you replied that Davis' "conversion" was Surya Gayatri Jul 2012 #39
Entirety? That's only the first third! ErikJ Jul 2012 #45
OMG, she's obviously suffering from those two Surya Gayatri Jul 2012 #50
I saw that--what a smart kid! pinboy3niner Jul 2012 #37
Agree, pinboy, he's an impressive budding Surya Gayatri Jul 2012 #40
And smart kids like that... pinboy3niner Jul 2012 #43
+1,000 ! n/t Surya Gayatri Jul 2012 #51
He most probably approached politics Shankapotomus Jul 2012 #41
An expanding consciousness and a growing intellect most naturally Surya Gayatri Jul 2012 #42
He got his views from RW talk radio? kwolf68 Jul 2012 #44
He said his parents were largely apolitical Surya Gayatri Jul 2012 #47
In all the interviews I've seen with him EC Jul 2012 #52
Yeah, Smerconish did a good job "channeling" the kid's energy! LOL! Surya Gayatri Jul 2012 #54
I noticed that. Mike is a good interviewer. He was very careful to NOT put the kid lamp_shade Jul 2012 #57
How true...god love him, Tweety just can't help himself. Surya Gayatri Jul 2012 #58

malaise

(269,211 posts)
1. That was fall down funny
Tue Jul 3, 2012, 06:16 PM
Jul 2012

I loved how he spoke about the social conservative wing of the ReTHUGs and how they demand that you agree with all their BS. The Fundies are loonies!!

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
3. I was cheering for the kid! Even Smerconish couldn't keep up with him!
Tue Jul 3, 2012, 06:21 PM
Jul 2012

After a few years of NYU under his belt, he will be a valuable voice for our side.
Love that kid!

edit: typo

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
6. Can't tell...don't forget, Smerconish is nominally one
Tue Jul 3, 2012, 06:26 PM
Jul 2012

of theirs--although he plays it down when subbing for Tweety.

I suspect that clip will find its way to the dark side--if only to prove the dangers of a "librul" education. LOL!

EC

(12,287 posts)
53. He declared independence from the repub party
Tue Jul 3, 2012, 10:49 PM
Jul 2012

just like the kid. He's legally an Independent now.

lame54

(35,328 posts)
5. Bill Maher must have gotten to him...
Tue Jul 3, 2012, 06:26 PM
Jul 2012

Maher introduced his audience to Caiden Cowger, a fourteen-year-old conservative with his own radio show. Cowger got some national attention this month for accusing President Obama and Vice President Biden of “making kids gay.” Maher couldn’t get over the fact how much this teenager sounds like Rush Limbaugh. Maher also reminded viewers about Jonathan Krohn, the young teenager who spoke at CPAC a few years ago.

Maher said he understands that all teenagers can be assholes at one time or another in this important phase in their lives, mostly where politics aren’t concerned, so he saved his comments for adults in the conservative movement enabling kids like Cowger and Krohn.

“When 14-year-old boys sound exactly like you do and can produce radio shows and books and speeches that sound exactly like yours, maybe you should rethink the shit that comes out of your mouth.
“Remember the Republican debates we had this year? They applauded for the idea of letting a sick man without insurance die. Herman Cain got cheers for saying he’d electrify the border fence. They booed a gay man serving his country in the military. No wonder 14-year-old boys can do your act, you act exactly like 14-year-old boys. There’s no ideology here. It’s just about being a dick.”

In summation, Maher ended by explaining just how easy it would be for a teenager to host Limbaugh’s Sean Hannity‘s shows: “Step one, be a giant dick. Step two, there is no step two.”

Watch the video below, courtesy of HBO:
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/bill-mahers-message-to-conservatives-you-act-exactly-like-14-year-old-boys/
 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
7. You're right, lame54--in fact, in an article about
Tue Jul 3, 2012, 06:32 PM
Jul 2012

him I saw somewhere, he was quoted as being embarrassed at being the butt of the same joke as the anti-gay crazy kid.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
28. Ah, it's THAT kid! He seemed to be pretty much a talking-point parrot anyway
Tue Jul 3, 2012, 08:20 PM
Jul 2012

so it makes sense that now that he's actually doing some thinking, he's seeing through that nonsense. And he probably now has an above-average grasp of how emotional appeal and slogans work on people, and no longer works on him

SoutherDem

(2,307 posts)
10. I understand him completely
Tue Jul 3, 2012, 06:56 PM
Jul 2012

When I was young I was conservative. Right wing radio to an impressional young teenager is very dangerous. I fell for trickle down completely, until I was to go to college. When I realized how the Republicans don't care for anyone but the rich.

I am sure each time he tells his story the conservative have a melt down.

Way to go Jonathan!

ananda

(28,884 posts)
11. I was more conservative when young too.
Tue Jul 3, 2012, 06:58 PM
Jul 2012

I was a hawk, and over the years I became an anti-war peace activist.

Domestically, I've always been very liberal, mainly because my mother
exposed us to all kinds of people, never met anyone she didn't make
friends with, and raised us in the true spirit of Jesus, love, and charity.

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
14. Me too, SoutherDem...I remember being in favor
Tue Jul 3, 2012, 07:14 PM
Jul 2012

of Tricky Dick in 1960, for christ's sake! Defended him against my best high school friend, whose family were Democrats. Just swallowed the parental RW politics hook, line, and sinker.

Once I got to university, my capacity for critical thinking developed as did my political philosophy. Never looked back in spite of family derision.

Raven

(13,904 posts)
13. Sorry folks, but this little shit conservative kid
Tue Jul 3, 2012, 07:13 PM
Jul 2012

did a lot of damage and should give all the $$$ he made back to the people who were stupid enough to buy his stupid books or give the $$$ to a decent charity. I find no victory in this at all and I think this kid is full of nothing but bullshit. I am betting that his parents who, btw, taught him all this conservative shit in the first place, are laughing all the way to the bank.

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
16. If droves of R-Wingers were duped into buying
Tue Jul 3, 2012, 07:19 PM
Jul 2012

his 13-year-old ramblings, so much the better. I doubt that either he or his parents got very rich on the deal.

I also suspect that his social conscience will develop nicely once he gets to NYU in the fall. Give the kid a chance to grow up. He's not even old enough to vote yet.

 

immoderate

(20,885 posts)
19. His parents were not political. He was getting info from talk radio.
Tue Jul 3, 2012, 07:39 PM
Jul 2012

At 14 it's what he knew in Georgia.

I was a conservative at his age. My parents were NY liberals. I did it to be "different" and a lot of it was bound is appearances and style.

But when I got to college I eventually realized that the "free market" would not follow the public accommodations act.

And then there was the Vietnam war, which put me over the edge as to being a lefty.

I just could not see what business I had being in a war in SE Asia.


--imm

On edit: I meant this for Raven. Sorry.

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
22. Very true, imm, he expressly said his parents
Tue Jul 3, 2012, 07:50 PM
Jul 2012

were apolitical and that his major influence was omnipresent RW talk radio.

I bought my parents' RW politics until I took a few Poli-Sci, Sociology and Philosophy classes at University.

Some of those professors just blew my world view wide open and I've never looked back. Only "lefty" in the family and always will be!

Raven

(13,904 posts)
24. I don't know what his parents were politically but
Tue Jul 3, 2012, 08:00 PM
Jul 2012

I can't believe they didn't have some role in this and I doubt he learned it all from talk radio. After all, he gave a speech at a major convention...his parents had to know something about that. I must be getting old and cynical but I smell another book deal in this...something along the lines of "how I converted and saw the light."

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
29. His speech was all fact-free buzz words and regurgitated talking points
Tue Jul 3, 2012, 08:22 PM
Jul 2012

it was more of a recital than a speech, from what I saw. Wingers don't do substance.

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
56. He's already got his sights on a national media career at 17?
Tue Jul 3, 2012, 11:07 PM
Jul 2012

Who knew? Amazingly ambitious and far-sighted.

AC_Mem

(1,979 posts)
27. But who had the radio on?
Tue Jul 3, 2012, 08:13 PM
Jul 2012

Someone was listening to that BS - doubtful that a child would willingly tune in to that kind of hatred.

Ac

 

Tom Ripley

(4,945 posts)
48. Of course, his parents weren't political; the following was just ...uh...uh...uh...coincidental...
Tue Jul 3, 2012, 10:37 PM
Jul 2012

"He attended Christian schools until 2007, when his parents began to home-school him.[5] Krohn was active in plays and regional shows through the Christian Youth Theater,[4] In 2008, Krohn began taking weekly supplemental lessons at the Classical School, taught by Steve Gilchrist, who teaches from a Christian Biblical perspective"

NickB79

(19,274 posts)
60. Agreed. Young people do stupid things that shouldn't be held against them
Wed Jul 4, 2012, 12:03 PM
Jul 2012

For example, I voted for both GW Bush and Jesse "The Body" Ventura when I was a stupid teenager.

The shame of that will haunt me until the day I die.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
15. RWers don't really care....
Tue Jul 3, 2012, 07:16 PM
Jul 2012

instead of challenging his changing ideas, they jut call him a fag and move on like nothing happened.

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
17. True Kali...I don't visit RW sites, but I just know he's being
Tue Jul 3, 2012, 07:23 PM
Jul 2012

tarred with their worst insult as we speak: "He's so GAAAYYYYY!"

They're so predictable and so revolting!

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
18. Isn't it damaging to your brand ...
Tue Jul 3, 2012, 07:31 PM
Jul 2012

when the tag line can be: "An ideology so flawed, an 8th grader can see through it?"

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
20. Well, he's a 17-year-old high school graduate now,
Tue Jul 3, 2012, 07:40 PM
Jul 2012

but even so, like I said upthread, he can already out-think and out-debate the RWers using their own talking points.

Escapees from the asylum have an especially piercing vision from their time behind the walls!

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
23. If you listen closely, you can detect a rather
Tue Jul 3, 2012, 07:57 PM
Jul 2012

mushier, oozier sound--brains splattering on the ground.

nolabear

(41,992 posts)
25. This is what happens when you let a kid read.
Tue Jul 3, 2012, 08:06 PM
Jul 2012

No wonder the RW is so determined to keep that from happening as much as possible.

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
30. Yeah, look at Texas where they're about to outlaw the teaching
Tue Jul 3, 2012, 08:32 PM
Jul 2012

of critical and higher-level thinking skills.

Their fear and loathing of anything intellectual should be considered criminal negligence.

They're purposely creating a nation of half-literate half-wits.

muntrv

(14,505 posts)
26. When I was a 14 year old, I thought Ronnie Raygun was a good President.
Tue Jul 3, 2012, 08:13 PM
Jul 2012

Then I grew up and voted for Dukakis in 1988, when I was 18.

 

ErikJ

(6,335 posts)
32. Next he'll be coming out?
Tue Jul 3, 2012, 08:35 PM
Jul 2012

He might have also discovered he's gay in those 3 years-he hints when he says he's for same-sex marriage.

nolabear

(41,992 posts)
34. Well that's a weird extrapolation.
Tue Jul 3, 2012, 08:46 PM
Jul 2012

Straight folks are often liberal and favor equal rights for all. Just in case that's news.

 

ErikJ

(6,335 posts)
35. Like me? duh. Puberty just might explain his sudden turnabout.
Tue Jul 3, 2012, 08:49 PM
Jul 2012

Is all I'm claiming. But I think his debate with Thom Hartmann might have had a profound effect on him a couple years ago. He followed him like a puppy dog after the debate supposedly.

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
36. Does he have to be gay to support marriage equality?
Tue Jul 3, 2012, 08:51 PM
Jul 2012

He's also pro-choice. Maybe that means he's already knocked up a girl and availed himself of abortion services?

 

ErikJ

(6,335 posts)
33. Reply from RWer about Krohn
Tue Jul 3, 2012, 08:44 PM
Jul 2012

I sent this to a RWer yesterday and this was the reply today.

"This is such a JOKE I don't even know where to start. Yes, he was 13 -- so what? NOW he's 17. Wow! That just proves he's ALL grown up and can now make adult decisions! NOT!!! Give me a break. You know the old saying, "I was a democrat until I grew up." Give the poor little confused boy time -- he'll eventually grow up, wake up and make a wise decision to become a conservative. As it is, he is FAR too young to be making ANY political decisions.

If you want to talk about switching parties -- let's talk not only about an adult, not only a cogressman, but a BLACK congressman from Alabama! Artur Davis just switched from the dem party to the rep party. He's an adult, he's a CONGRESSMAN AND he's BLACK!!! Now, THERE'S someone to be watching and listening to and quoting and following. Certainly NOT a 17 year old but, then, the dems ARE very very immature and they all ACT like they're 17. All actions and decisions are based on pure emotion and NOT reality or wisdom. Did you see the president of the United States of America MOCK Artur Davis recently? Are you kidding me? We have never had a more immature president in the history of our country. Presidents have never been as blaming and mocking as this one. .....blah blah blah"

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
39. I hope you replied that Davis' "conversion" was
Tue Jul 3, 2012, 09:11 PM
Jul 2012

blatant political calculation after realizing he would be more electable as the token black guy GOPer in dark red Alabama.

As for Dems acting like immature 17-year-olds, direct his attention to the clown act that was the Repuke primary circus...

Only a R-Winger would talk about "quoting and following" somebody as if they were worthy of worshipful reverence. That's RW speak.

Seriously, did you really feel it necessary to quote this piece of crap in its entirety?

 

ErikJ

(6,335 posts)
45. Entirety? That's only the first third!
Tue Jul 3, 2012, 10:12 PM
Jul 2012

I dont know anything about Davis but I did tell her there have been several Con to Dem switches too. And that's a good one about the Republican primaries! I'll have to remind her of that juvenile contest. This person is so saturated with RW baloney I dont think I'll ever get thru to her but I will keep trying. My goal is to get her to vote for Obama by Nov!!

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
50. OMG, she's obviously suffering from those two
Tue Jul 3, 2012, 10:39 PM
Jul 2012

common and often incurable RW diseases--verbal diarrhea and cranial-rectal insertion.

Your dedication to the task of informing her and leading her to the light is commendable. I'm afraid I would've already run out of patience.

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
40. Agree, pinboy, he's an impressive budding
Tue Jul 3, 2012, 09:20 PM
Jul 2012

intellect. With a few more years of training in creative and critical thinking at NYU, he'll become an even more impressive voice.

He gives off positive vibes--a sincere kid looking to expand his world.

Shankapotomus

(4,840 posts)
41. He most probably approached politics
Tue Jul 3, 2012, 09:48 PM
Jul 2012

with the genuine innocence of youth but open to ideas, encountered conservatism first and embraced it in all ignorance, then still acquiring knowledge like a sponge, outgrew conservatism within a year and headed directly into progressivism. I think his political evolution is a great example of where intellectual growth takes one politically.

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
42. An expanding consciousness and a growing intellect most naturally
Tue Jul 3, 2012, 09:57 PM
Jul 2012

lean to the left.

As the great Colbert says: "Truth has a liberal bias!"

kwolf68

(7,365 posts)
44. He got his views from RW talk radio?
Tue Jul 3, 2012, 10:02 PM
Jul 2012

All the more reason he should be listening to heavy metal music like Slayer, Mercyful Fate, etc...
 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
47. He said his parents were largely apolitical
Tue Jul 3, 2012, 10:26 PM
Jul 2012

and that the major influence on his early political thinking was omnipresent RW talk radio in Georgia.

So, heavy metal has a left-leaning bias? Who knew? I guess it makes sense, though--just the sheer rebellious energy would tend to offend RW sensibilities.

EC

(12,287 posts)
52. In all the interviews I've seen with him
Tue Jul 3, 2012, 10:47 PM
Jul 2012

I kept waiting for him to say "Well, I just grew up." But I did think Michael asked the best questions of all the interviews I've seen with this kid.

lamp_shade

(14,846 posts)
57. I noticed that. Mike is a good interviewer. He was very careful to NOT put the kid
Wed Jul 4, 2012, 04:45 AM
Jul 2012

in a corner. As much as I love Matthews, he would not have been as sensitive.

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
58. How true...god love him, Tweety just can't help himself.
Wed Jul 4, 2012, 04:58 AM
Jul 2012

His mouth gets ahead of his brain and he often talks over the best part of an interview--the punch line at the end!

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