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Someone who can read x-rays -- do these pictures make sense to you? (Original Post) pnwmom Apr 2017 OP
methinks he doth protest too much. Warren DeMontague Apr 2017 #1
That does seem odd. What a weird precedent to set. n/t pnwmom Apr 2017 #2
Says nothing about why he suddenly needs to leave Washington. Orsino Apr 2017 #18
He's missing this crucial 3rd Xray OnDoutside Apr 2017 #9
Ah, yes. Now I understand. pnwmom Apr 2017 #13
Good one! mountain grammy Apr 2017 #16
Lol Meowmee Apr 2017 #22
lol. JHan Apr 2017 #26
Similar X-rays Meowmee Apr 2017 #3
Thanks. And welcome to DU, Meowmee! pnwmom Apr 2017 #14
You're welcome 😊 Meowmee Apr 2017 #21
The second image looks like its a more zoomed in view of the heel from the back, Vesper Apr 2017 #4
bottom up view of the heel? looks healed to me. pansypoo53219 Apr 2017 #5
I'm sure there's a screw loose. Not so sure it's in his foot. n/t JHB Apr 2017 #8
LOLOLOL! rusty fender Apr 2017 #19
good one. MFM008 Apr 2017 #36
couldn't he continue working with the use of a wheelchair ? JI7 Apr 2017 #6
You would think wouldn't you. .. KelleyKramer Apr 2017 #25
I want to see xrays of trump's original ankle problem that he used to avoid the draft BSdetect Apr 2017 #7
Yeah, me, too. pnwmom Apr 2017 #12
They're both a bit truncated. OilemFirchen Apr 2017 #10
LOL. n/t pnwmom Apr 2017 #11
Unfortunately I do know what that is. mahina Apr 2017 #15
The image on the right is taken from the bottom up. mahina Apr 2017 #17
Thanks, Mahina. pnwmom Apr 2017 #20
The bones do not have to necessarily poking through the skin. The major risk is an riversedge Apr 2017 #34
So even twelve years later an infection can develop? pnwmom Apr 2017 #37
He deserves to be criticized Meowmee Apr 2017 #23
My tab before insurance was 23,000.00 mahina Apr 2017 #24
I've got a leg full of plates and screws.... Historic NY Apr 2017 #27
So, now that he has admited that pre-existing condition on national television Doreen Apr 2017 #28
Here you go... procon Apr 2017 #29
Okay, now I can visualize that better. Thanks! pnwmom Apr 2017 #31
Thank you for that. May I ask if you think it's a good idea to remove the stainless steel hardware? mahina Apr 2017 #39
If he isn't satisfied with his doctor's advice, he should see another specialist. procon Apr 2017 #41
Thank you so much for taking the time to respond. mahina Apr 2017 #42
I think it's funny that he felt it necessary alwaysinflux Apr 2017 #30
I know. Who does that? No one. n/t pnwmom Apr 2017 #32
Legit x-rays. Metal hardware can be a big problem including cancer. democratisphere Apr 2017 #33
He may be a moron MFM008 Apr 2017 #35
Sorry you had to deal with that. mahina Apr 2017 #40
He fell from a ladder? jberryhill Apr 2017 #38

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
18. Says nothing about why he suddenly needs to leave Washington.
Thu Apr 27, 2017, 02:55 PM
Apr 2017

The timing can't help but look suspicious.

 

Vesper

(229 posts)
4. The second image looks like its a more zoomed in view of the heel from the back,
Thu Apr 27, 2017, 05:06 AM
Apr 2017

if that makes sense.

I'm not a podiatrist, but I found one for you on the internets.

http://www.aofas.org/footcaremd/treatments/Pages/Calcaneus-Fracture-Surgery.aspx

There is an explanation and a very similar looking set of screws in a foot.

They do make sense. But its *him* and he has a history of holding up pictures that are just totally fictional, so he has little credibility. Remember Cecille Richards schooling him on his little drawing that some anti-choice propagandist made for him in pretty colors?

So he could be telling the truth, and some reporters can ask him how he feels about health insurance, preexisting conditions and his nefarious plans for American citizens while his own care is paid for by them.

Or he could be full of the usual GOP BS and we can still ask him the same questions

BSdetect

(8,998 posts)
7. I want to see xrays of trump's original ankle problem that he used to avoid the draft
Thu Apr 27, 2017, 06:16 AM
Apr 2017

And a recent xray showing how its going now.

mahina

(17,673 posts)
15. Unfortunately I do know what that is.
Thu Apr 27, 2017, 02:41 PM
Apr 2017

It looks like he had a fractured calcaneus. The worst foot injury you can have and still have a foot. I would love to not know about it.

The thing that makes no sense to me is the bit about risk of infection from leaving it in. That's nonsense as far as I can determine. It's heavy and clunky and zingy but the wounds are all healed. Removing the hardware includes a risk of infection.

Try not to break that porous little heel bone. It's a bummer.

mahina

(17,673 posts)
17. The image on the right is taken from the bottom up.
Thu Apr 27, 2017, 02:46 PM
Apr 2017

The bone looks like it healed around the screws and plate. Maybe the screws are poking through the other side. That would make sense.

I actually feel for the guy. Good luck Chaffetz. Think about what a drag it would be if you were uninsurable as this is a preexisting condition.

May it enlighten him and be as painless as possible.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
20. Thanks, Mahina.
Thu Apr 27, 2017, 03:06 PM
Apr 2017

If the bones are poking through, then maybe there IS a risk of infection. Otherwise, it doesn't make much sense.

riversedge

(70,248 posts)
34. The bones do not have to necessarily poking through the skin. The major risk is an
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 02:05 AM
Apr 2017

infection developing inside one of small bones of the foot-and we have many bones in the foot. An infection inside the bone is very serious (could travel through blood steam to any other part of the body and develop sepsis) and surgeons do not mess around when they suspect this condition. The hope is that--- if there was an infection, it is localized in the foot bone. Still, as I said, a bone infection is serious and would require very long term IV antibiotic therapy (weeks)-many times followed by oral antibiotics, depending on the cultures and blood tests. My guess is that the surgeon determined immediate surgery was needed to remove the source of the problem (each entry and exit point into the bone by all those screws are potential sources for an infection).

I would not wish it on anyone. I have not read any follow up and we probably will not know the details anyway.

I was-still am a nurse--and I am not making a diagnosis. But I do that medical docs and surgeons move fast when bone infections are suspected.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
37. So even twelve years later an infection can develop?
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 02:24 AM
Apr 2017

That's unsettling, since so many people have metal parts of one sort or another . . . dental implants, hip implants, etc.

Thanks for the info, riversedge.

Meowmee

(5,164 posts)
23. He deserves to be criticized
Thu Apr 27, 2017, 10:59 PM
Apr 2017

He has very good health insurance and he doesn't have to worry about paying for in this case a prexisting condition which would also cost way more than an unlocked iPhone for sure. But he feels it's ok to deny other people that same care.

mahina

(17,673 posts)
24. My tab before insurance was 23,000.00
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 12:34 AM
Apr 2017

It was a family member. A couple of thousand out of pocket in the end but the pain endured made these the worst weeks of my life.

He hasn't had the hardware taken out yet and may never.

Of course Chaffetz deserves criticism.

Welcome to DU.

Historic NY

(37,451 posts)
27. I've got a leg full of plates and screws....
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 01:35 AM
Apr 2017

from a compound fracture of the tibia and fibula. I have 2 plates and 9 screws, they drilled 2 more from one side of the ankle to the other to stabilize the plates. I know I can still feel the screws. It wasn't an easy repair.

His looks like he had a lot of small pieces they tried to put together.

Doreen

(11,686 posts)
28. So, now that he has admited that pre-existing condition on national television
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 01:42 AM
Apr 2017

does that mean his insurance company can drop him when they drop us for having one?

Just asking.

procon

(15,805 posts)
29. Here you go...
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 01:46 AM
Apr 2017

The left is a pretty straight forward lateral view. The right is an axial, dorsoplantar view that is usually taken with the patient lying on their stomach and the foot held in a position as if standing. The aperture is angled diagonally from above and toward the heel.

Retired orthopedic RN.

mahina

(17,673 posts)
39. Thank you for that. May I ask if you think it's a good idea to remove the stainless steel hardware?
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 03:53 PM
Apr 2017

A healthy male 28 year old who is experiencing discomfort three years after calcaneus surgery wants to know. He's not getting as much excercise as a result and went from very fit before the operation to less so now.

His orthopedic surgeon isn't inclined one way or the other.

An old friend who had his hardware removed said he felt much better afterward, hiking and running again.

Is removal as hard on the patient as the original surgery? Is it normal to use stainless steel for the hardware as opposed to titanium? Is there really an increased risk of cancer from leaving the hardware in, as another poster stated?

Thank you very very much in advance.

procon

(15,805 posts)
41. If he isn't satisfied with his doctor's advice, he should see another specialist.
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 05:11 PM
Apr 2017

Understand that even though injuries and illnesses may seem similar, they are not identical, and we are all individuals who respond differently to trauma, pain, and treatment and healing. That neither implies anything good or bad, it's just the nature of any living thing that is subjected to a severe injury.

The type of accident described in this thread is a severe, major disability and most patients do have life long problems to some degree following that type of trauma. If the fracture is severe, recovery can take 1 to 2 years and some permanent loss of strength and range of motion should be expected. This can vary widely, but even a generally mild recovery can become more debilitating as we age. Humans can, and do, live long and trouble free lives with all manner of hardware and devices inside them, but there is no way to predict what treatment plan will be most effective, or how anyone will respond to the healing process.

If he opts for a 2nd opinion, then try to locate a top notch surgeon in a different locale, preferably in a large metro area where specialists have opportunities to keep current, train and perfect their skills. Even if the young man finds there is no other outcome, if he isn't already working with a comprehensive pain clinic, a knowledgeable physical therapist, and a certified personal trainer, he should do so and get into a custom designed, long term exercise regime and pain management support.

Best of luck to him.

mahina

(17,673 posts)
42. Thank you so much for taking the time to respond.
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 06:02 PM
Apr 2017

I'm deeply grateful. Aloha.

Ps we are in Honolulu, so there's no metro area around but us. I'd thought about traveling for his calcaneus surgery but there was no way to move him back then...even driving to the doctor's office was a bit challenge with bumps in the road.

I remind myself to be grateful it wasn't his head.

Again, mahalo nui and much aloha to you.

alwaysinflux

(149 posts)
30. I think it's funny that he felt it necessary
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 01:48 AM
Apr 2017

To post his X-rays as proof. He knows how little credibility he has right now.

MFM008

(19,818 posts)
35. He may be a moron
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 02:21 AM
Apr 2017

but that foot is a mess.
My orthopedic surgeon took 3 screws out of my foot in 2005 that he had put in in 2004.
Then had to put them back IN when the bones became unstable without the screws in
2006.
So yeah BUT I had the option to have the surgery and when, the pain wasn't agonizing,
It COULD have waited. I think bubble head is using an opportune moment to hide
until things "cool down".

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
38. He fell from a ladder?
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 07:11 AM
Apr 2017

Wait, wait, don't tell me. Then, he tried to slap the guy who bumped the ladder, but missed and hit another guy. But then he poked the first guy in the eyes. So the first guy picked up a cake and threw it at Chaffetz. Chaffetz ducked, and it hit the other guy again. So that other guy hit the first guy on the head with a hammer, and then...
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