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'Your argument is demeaning the priceless value of citizenship' (Original Post) bigtree Apr 2017 OP
Mr. Parker is talking fascism Thomas Hurt Apr 2017 #1
good point bigtree Apr 2017 #2
Well... if WH believes trivial misrepresentations are sufficient grounds MedusaX Apr 2017 #3
"The law applies to all false statements, even trivial ones." Trekologer Apr 2017 #4
Citizenship is not a one-way street. Orsino Apr 2017 #5
They really do fear a slippery slope, don't they? Understanding that is key. RedWedge Apr 2017 #6
For those unfamiliar with the case... Princess Turandot Apr 2017 #7

Thomas Hurt

(13,903 posts)
1. Mr. Parker is talking fascism
Thu Apr 27, 2017, 10:03 AM
Apr 2017

racist, scapegoating, militaristic fascism.

I wonder if Mr. Parker believes failing to disclose meetings with the Russian ambassador or failing to disclose meetings with Russian bankers/oligarchs with ties to Russian intelligence or failing to disclose payments from Turkey/Russia should also be held to a strict standard............when seeking security clearances.

MedusaX

(1,129 posts)
3. Well... if WH believes trivial misrepresentations are sufficient grounds
Thu Apr 27, 2017, 10:11 AM
Apr 2017

To rescind naturalized citizenship.....

Then WH should also fully support the Felony prosecution of any citizen who falsifies info on federal forms.... like say Security Clearance Applications

Or provides false testimony to Senate Committee members during confirmation hearings....


Trekologer

(997 posts)
4. "The law applies to all false statements, even trivial ones."
Thu Apr 27, 2017, 10:13 AM
Apr 2017

So when is Jefferson Beauregard Sessions III being prosecuted for false statements? Scott Pruitt? Betsy DeVos? Son-in-law Jared?

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
5. Citizenship is not a one-way street.
Thu Apr 27, 2017, 10:14 AM
Apr 2017

On the day the government officially promotes you to citizen, that's a lifetime commitment. I can't imagine any act or acts that should invalidate it.

Princess Turandot

(4,787 posts)
7. For those unfamiliar with the case...
Thu Apr 27, 2017, 10:43 AM
Apr 2017

Maslenjak v. United States was argued yesterday at SCOTUS. It is an important immigration/naturalization case on whether or not the US government can denaturalize an immigrant from citizenship because they misrepresented something on their application forms, even if the 'misrepresented truth' was not significant enough to impact the decision on their naturalization application.

The judge in the case involved did not instruct the jury to determine whether or not the misrepresentation was material to the naturalization decision, in a criminal case brought against the plaintiff for lying on her application form about something related to her husband. (The jury had even asked for clarification on the reason the woman had received refugee status and then citizenship, only to be told by the judge that they did not need that info to make their decision.) Her conviction in the criminal case led to her citizenship being revoked, and her deportation.

The minute the government attorney stood up to present his case, Roberts jumped on him, and the liberal justices followed suit, along with Kennedy. At one point, Roberts was reading definitions from Black's law dictionary at him. Gorsuch and Alito mostly badgered the plaintiff's attorney. The questioning of Parker begins on page 26 of the transcript.

https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2016/16-309_b97c.pdf

SCOTUSblog's take on the argument is that the court was leaning in favor of the plaintiff: http://www.scotusblog.com/2017/04/argument-analysis-concerns-prosecutorial-discretion-likely-lead-ruling-bosnian-serb-immigration-case/

PS The immigrant in question and her husband were not overly sympathetic characters. The husband lied on his refugee application about being a member of the Bosnian Serbian army; he was in a unit involved in the anti-Muslim genocide. He never applied for citizenship, and had been deported already (I think).

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