because now they wont be locked into their job just for health care.

I wouldn't have been able to start my business if it wasn't for my wife's employer putting us on his plan. I was lucky.
I am sure a lot would work for themselves if they didn't have to put their health and their children's health at risk.

and slavery. They dont want true freedom for America. And they dont want to encourage competition either of course!

But for, my wife (and daughter) being able to get on my insurance plan, my wife would not have been able to establish her consulting practice.

One thing that has stuck with me regarding many European insurance schemes was that, because it was/is not tied to an employer, many have the security to go out and start businesses.

The biggest benefit is how it frees us from job slavery. It's going to be a major shift.

Should be said, read, and SPREAD!!!!

indeed.

Big employers don't like the idea that we won't be tethered to them anymore. They actually have people believing they'll be MORE free without health care.

A lot of people stay in jobs they don't like just to have insurance and avoid the dreaded gap in coverage.

The end of being denied coverage based on a preexisting condition can't come fast enough.

but then say they won't enforce the law. To me, that means they are pro-Big Business.

For starters, the hospitals and doctors, and even the insurance companies, are absolutely going to insist on getting those medicaid expansion dollars--especially since the feds cover the expansion 100% for the first years. Small businesses will insist on access to the non-profit co-op plans offered thru the exchanges. And finally, it's going to be a really hard sell for govs to tell voters that their mandated healthcare money is not coming to their state, but going to another state. Pretty hard, I think.

But it feels like people in my state want to hate someone so much (an alleged black Muslim foreigner in the White House is their wet dream), they are willing to cut off their own noses to spite - who? I'm not sure, but they certainly aren't going to be bossed around by "them."

I think there was actually a book written by historian about 7 or 8 years ago documenting the support of welfare programs in Georgia (and other southern states) when they benefited white people after the depression but as soon as some of them started bouncing back, they hated those programs b/c they benefited "the blacks."

People can be really stupid and bull-headed.

My wife and I took turns working independently. The only way I was able to start an IT consulting business was because she worked and had health care. Later, I got a real job with health insurance so she could start her own business.

often it's completely different from both the good and bad predictions.

Plenty of people will now strike out on their own, not worrying as much about being bankrupted by medical bills.

It's good you were able to give him such a concrete example - I've found that's the ONLY thing that cuts through the right wing propaganda - when something benefits them, it's like they're waking up out of a dream.. I too work with someone who had a similar change of heart when he realized that his diabetic son would be able to stay on his insurance for several more years and won't have to worry about pre-existing conditions when he gets his own insurance....

It's like deprogramming cult members....

That is exactly what it is like.

They would rather believe what Fox and the other propagandists tell them. There are a few of them I don't even bother with, because the REFUSE to believe anything that doesn't fit into the bullshit they have been fed. "Cult members", indeed.

The only thing the Repuglicans don't do in unison is goosestep - but that's not too far off

We have to educate people one by one. But I think the democrats need to get on the tv and start explaining it. That's what the republicans are afraid of, once people start using it they will like it. That's why they tried to kill it. They are already on shows saying they are for alot of things in it, they see the writing on the wall and want to make it theirs. They are going to get screwed on this, Obama knew what he was doing. I didnt think so at first. IMHO

Can someone please give me a link or site to see
the facts about Obama Care..I would like to pass
some true information on to people.

Good work.
This on FB today:

Learn how ObamaCare benefits you.

http://www.barackobama.com/health-care?source=socnet_20120703_BO_FB_HEALTH_CARE_TOOL2_SIGNON&utm_medium=fb&utm_source=bo_fb&utm_campaign=socnet_20120703_BO_FB_HEALTH_CARE_TOOL2_SIGNON

Thanks so much for the link. It was WAY better than I thought. My brother, who is much too young for medicare, has never had health insurance his entire adult life. He has a pre-existing condition that lands him in the emergency room a few times a year. Eventually, if he continues to ignore it, it will kill him...years before he reaches 65 and is eligible for medicare.

But that AWESOME link you provided just told me that because he makes just under 15,000 a year, he will be eligible for medicaid. Up to now, the state of CA has denied him medicaid because his pathetic low wage job is too much money to qualify for the current criteria for medicaid, particularly for a single male. In fact, they basically told him an able-bodied working male without dependants can't get medicaid. The ACA completely turns that around.

I am sooooo happy. I was worried how he was going to pay for the insurance in 2014, even if at a subsidized premium, since he makes barely enough to feed himself and pay rent.

You made my day, elleng!!!!!!

I posted this earlier today; saw it on facebook.

CLEARLY the administration has to spread it around.

When I told him at least we didn't have to worry about health care now if we get laid off, he said "That is only for poor people or unemployed people".

doesn't laid off mean unemployed?

The opposition is so good at getting their false information and we just don't even know how to communicate the truth.

That the gop plans to repeal ObamaCare, should they get into office.

and I assume it's accurate (if not I'd like to know) - and I only scored 8/10 on it. I like to think I learn a lot here on DU and that was my score. So, imagine how little the general public probably knows about this bill and how it will help them.

http://healthreform.kff.org/quizzes/health-reform-quiz.aspx

I got 10/10--the sad part is that's more than 99.6% of Americans. Around half questions were usually answered correctly 40% of the time or less. And yes, death panels, Medicare cuts, and handouts to illegal immigrants were on the quiz.

I was completely embarrassed that I got 2 wrong. I knew I didn't know the intricacies but I thought I had an idea of what was in there. I'm sure over 1/2 the country has absolutely no clue.

Posted it on my Facebook page and dared the many extreme righty friends I have to attempt the quiz. They religiously watch Fox News. I doubt they will pass the quiz.

There are breakdowns for percentage of the population answering correctly. You can see how well the Republican misinformation campaign worked.

58% believed there will be "death panels"

73% believe the law contains a public option

58% believe illegal aliens will get benefits.

75% believe small employers will be mandated.

60% believe all Medicare recipients will suffer cuts.

This quiz is at least one small way to get the truth out about the good things in the law. (although I wish the 73% was right about the public option!)

I made a mistake and skipped two so I scored a 6 out of 10. I bet a lot of the Cons would score 0/10.

Right after the courts decision. And once it's out there, here comes the left explaining it all as lies. But by then the lies are already out there. They are fast to react, and we end up in the defensive mode trying to explain the truth. As you have done with your co-worker.

Because they've been told it's another expensive social program that benefits the unworthy poor at the expense of the worthy taxpayer.

And if you try to explain that it will make health insurance available to 30 million people who don't have it and who have been getting sick and sometimes dying because they couldn't get medical care, you will be farting in a whirlwind, because the GOPers and 'baggers have no compassion. They care only about these things: Making sure Obama's signature legislation is repealed, thereby damaging his reelection chances, and making sure no undeserving (read: minority) people get any help.

The explanation has to be something like the OP used: Make it about them. And make it about their favorite thing, "personal responsibility." So here's the argument:

When people can't afford to go to a doctor because they have no insurance, they don't go unless/until they are really, really sick and somebody drags them to an emergency room. They will get treatment there - very expensive treatment - but they won't be able to pay for it (even though they will be billed for it, since, contrary to common belief, ER treatment isn't free). So who does pay for it, Mr. GOPer? You do, that's who. You pay for it because your own health insurance premium will go up, and because your taxes help fund hospitals.

Also, that person who is now very sick is unable to work (maybe he'll die). So he won't be paying any taxes on his wages unless/until he recovers. In the meantime he might lose his job and have to go on unemployment (costing you more money in taxes). He and his family might have to go on public assistance (which you pay for); his wife might have to quit her job to stay home and look after him while he recovers, so she won't be paying taxes, either. The kids might have to drop out of college, damaging their eventual chances of getting good jobs and paying taxes. If the sick person has a communicable disease that he'd probably been spreading around until he got dragged to the ER, maybe you or your kids will get that disease.

But let's say that instead, the person who has had no insurance (maybe because his employer doesn't offer it, or he's self-employed and can't get it or has a pre-existing condition that makes him uninsurable) now can get coverage. He has to have it, and has to pay for it, but now he can afford it. So now he can get regular physicals to prevent serious conditions from developing. If he gets sick he can go to a doctor or a hospital before his treatment gets really expensive, and his insurance will pay the doctor or the hospital so you don't have to. And when everyone has health insurance, a lot more people will seek health care - meaning more jobs for doctors, nurses, orderlies, hospital administrators, pharmacists, clinic employees, and more -- all kinds of good health-care-related jobs that didn't exist before and that will result in more taxpayers. More jobs, less of a tax burden on the rest of us.

How can you not like this, Mr. GOPer? It helps you.

They exist, they have no problem pushing the Republican narrative.

he is unworthy. Good Calvinists, they are.

than actually wishing for anyone to die. It's more, "Don't have insurance? Too bad; that's your own fault, and don't expect me to do anything about it." However, these cold-hearted bastards might be persuaded that they will benefit from the ACA at least as much, if not more, than the unworthy poor by pointing out that medical and insurance costs will actually go down over time.

everything these people do.

With more and more uninsured and an aging population hospitals are in a serious cash flow predicament, the PPACA addresses this problem too.

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I do blame Obama for not getting the message out better. However sometimes it seems like there is no way to present the healthcare message.
They just won't listen.

I started inviting the right wingers to join the Roberts fan club. You get a free robe with your sign up dues.
You can just hear their heads exploding.

The other thing I wonder about are mandated trans vaginal exams socialism? Oops there goes another right wing head.

In Massachusetts, the cheapest gold plan for a family of 3 is $2,255 monthly for a family income as low as $57K. That's about 2/3 of every dollar you take home. Good luck with that.

A silver plan is $1700 monthly, still about half of your net.

Do you have a link to what plans are projected to cost when ACA is fully implemented?

▪ For example, a family of four making around $50,000 will get an up-front tax credit to pay for all but $3,385 per year for comprehensive insurance. Lower-income families
will get more, higher earners will get less.

Years of 15 to 17% increases.

In Massachusetts, subsidies don't kick in until income drops to below $33,000. Being a very expensive state to begin with makes our current plans quite painful, if not outright impossible.

I don't have the link' but try the above and search for the timeline. They have great interactive site

They're going to fight tooth and nail to prevent any rebuttal of their lies to be shown on TV.

▪ For example, a family of four making around $50,000 will get an up-front tax credit to pay for all but $3,385 per year for comprehensive insurance. Lower-income families
will get more, higher earners will get less.

First Steps in Controlling Rising Costs

A critical component of the new health-care law is slowing rising health
insurance costs, while giving people real value for their health-care
dollars. New requirements are holding insurers accountable for how
they spend customers’ premiums, ultimately helping lower rates.

Rate hikes getting a closer look

states have chosen to go further,
actually rejecting unreasonable
increases.

▪ The public now has access to these
proposed rate hikes, helping hold
insurance companies accountable.
View information about insurers
in your state at:
companyprofiles.healthcare.gov.
▪ Since September 1, 2011, insurers
seeking to raise premium rates 10%
or more are subject to new scrutiny.
▪ States must now review these
proposed rate hikes to determine
whether they are unreasonable
based on health-care costs and
other factors. If a state is unable to
make this determination, the federal government will. Some
First Steps in Controlling Rising Costs

A critical component of the new health-care law is slowing rising health
insurance costs, while giving people real value for their health-care
dollars. New requirements are holding insurers accountable for how
they spend customers’ premiums, ultimately helping lower rates.

It's not perfect but at least we're moving in the right direction.

This is completely false. Anyone who has bothered to go to the website and read just a TINY portion of it knows the benefits and who it covers.

You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink. People on both sides of the table who don't know these things by now are either wilfully ignorant or lazy or can't read, IMHO.

I am sick of hearing DUERS complain that they don't know anything about the law.

or that preventative was at a $0 copay until I saw it on here. I had a well woman exam yesterday at PP and they asked for 0 copay with my insurance. I was also informed of a number of other services that counted under the umbrella of preventative care.

The average person doesn't even know about the website. I made mention of it to others and they had no idea. Last night I sent a link to it on FB and people were messaging me with many "I didn't know that!" comments.

The doctors offices around here aren't mentioning it when people make appointments. It's never mentioned in the numerous newsletters I receive from my insurance company. I don't think people realize how quick some of this has kicked in-most of the comments I hear are about the fines in 2014. When I gave those same people a link to the (I believe it was Wash Post) article that was linked on here with the worksheet about the upcoming costs, they were shocked to find that their costs would actually decrease by considerable sums.

That's what needs to be discussed on television. That's what needs to be passed around in email forwards. The info needs to be posted on Facebook regularly, with links provided for more info. When people realize that it really will help them in the long run they will warm up to it.

if we could be better at this we would win a ton more elections.

reading this information and learning, and believing it. All too rare these days.

Good for you setting him on the right path to the light side.

if he uses FB.

http://www.facebook.com/TheChristianLeft

Republicans intend to own the Airwaves between August and November, with all their super pac money...Just as in Wisconsin. Obama is going to need a huge lead or the damage will be tremendous.

Working to End Super pacs and the Overwhelming Influence of Money in Politics
http://www.generalelector.org/

reading for any Democratic Representative or Senator - Obamacare explained to a 5-year-old.


http://www.fark.com/goto/7191119/https://www.facebook.com/notes/steve-fitzgerald/what-exactly-is-obamacare-and-what-did-it-change-explained-like-youre-a-5-year-o/10150906130595642

They don't. They will be too busy working to undermine it to feel anything but their own misguided anger.

I could say the same thing here that I said after the '08 election:

The election is over; the work has just begun.

When will the Dems ever get the word out about what is will do?
And in a broad simple manner. Not pages of details.

This is very important to do now.... Please steer folks to www.Healthcare.gov so they can learn, for themselves, what a milestone this is for the average American.

you are unemployed. Guy must not be too bright.

In August Health Insurance companies will start sending refunds to their policy holders because they did not spend the required portions of premiums on actual medical services to the policy holders as required under OBAMA CARES. Already working to save money and it will only get better each year. Thank you President Obama for your good work. Lets march on to Medicare for all.

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and it needs to be in ABC language.

My key board issticing

Who can give us a list in ABC language?

Great link listed above but still could be " just the facts" for most Americans

goclarkOBAMA would say something like this ~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
PRESIDENT OBAMA CARES ABOUT YOU!

He CARES about everybody in America.
If you are sick, he wants to make you feel better.

If you don't have a lot of money you can still get medicine to help you get well.

"It allows the Food and Drug Administration to approve more generic drugs (making for more competition in the market to drive down prices"


When you go to McDonald's they should have a chart that helps you decide what food may be good or bad for you to eat. You can ask for one now at most restaurants.

"It makes chain restaurants like McDonalds display how many calories are in all of their foods, so people can have an easier time making choices to eat healthy. ( Citation: Page 499, sec. 4205 )"

~~~~~~~~~~~~ JUST GOT AN IDEA ~~~~~~

Michelle Obama would be the perfect person to bring the message!!!!
That is the AD they should use!

On that question, you might try something like, "I am not really sure. However, when you say 'everyone', is that people you know, friends, family, media, or what? I'm just curious, because a lot of people I talk to really like ObamaCare."

I suspect the real answer is, "Well, Fox News said so", but asking directly may be too confrontation.

REALLY great, but it shows the downsidde.

Our stupid damn Dems don't seem to get it through their heads that we have to go out and SELL this thing! And so that means we have to take matters into our own hands and sell it ourselves, since our leaders seem utterly incapable of it. They've got their heads stuck so far up their "but...but...but... the people will KNOW! The people will SEE!" NO, DAMMIT, THEY WON'T!!!! Unless you tell them, tell them again, and then tell them yet again ANOTHER time. And ANOTHER!!!! Just amazes me how willfully thickheaded they are. We can't depend on them. We have to do this ourselves.

Like you just did!

Word has been out for some time for folks, who really want to know. Plenty of web sites with honest info about the benefits and time limes for implementation. But lazy folks who never vote and can't be bothered just watch FixedNews, and that's all. You did your friend and his family a big favor. Let's hope he talks to his other friends and relatives.