Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

kentuck

(111,110 posts)
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 06:31 PM Apr 2017

Does anyone remember the Gulf of Tonkin incident?

It was August 2nd, 1964.

http://www.historynet.com/case-closed-the-gulf-of-tonkin-incident.htm

<snip>
In the first few days of August 1964, a series of events off the coast of North Vietnam and decisions made in Washington, D.C., set the United States on a course that would largely define the next decade and weigh heavily on American foreign policy to this day. What did and didn’t happen in the Gulf of Tonkin on August 2 and 4 has long been in dispute, but the decisions that the Johnson Administration and Congress made based on an interpretation of those events were undeniably monumental.

While many facts and details have emerged in the past 44 years to persuade most observers that some of the reported events in the Gulf never actually happened, key portions of the critical intelligence information remained classified until recently.

...

n late 2007, that information was finally made public when an official National ­Security Agency (NSA) history of signals intelligence (SIGINT) in Vietnam, written in 2002, was released in response to a Freedom of Information Act request. With that report, after nearly four decades, the NSA officially reversed its verdict on the events of August 4, 1964, that had led that night to President Lyndon Johnson’s televised message to the nation: “The initial attack on the destroyer Maddox, on August 2, was repeated today by a number of hostile vessels attacking two U.S. destroyers with torpedoes…. Air action is now in execution against gunboats and certain supporting facilities in North Vietnam which have been used in these hostile operations.”

The next day, the president addressed Congress, seeking the power to “to take all necessary measures in support of freedom and in defense of peace in Southeast Asia.”

..more at link

25 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
Does anyone remember the Gulf of Tonkin incident? (Original Post) kentuck Apr 2017 OP
The Pentagon Papers makes for a sobering read. BSdetect Apr 2017 #1
+100 kentuck Apr 2017 #2
The US Government never learns from history. guillaumeb Apr 2017 #3
and the economy will tank.... spanone Apr 2017 #18
And the GOP wil blame lavish welfare spending guillaumeb Apr 2017 #20
US government sponsored fake news HoneyBadger Apr 2017 #4
4 sure McCamy Taylor Apr 2017 #5
Who knows how many American soldiers died after the Gulf of Tonkin resolution passed? L. Coyote Apr 2017 #6
Yep. kentuck Apr 2017 #7
American military personnel deaths in Vietnam sarge43 Apr 2017 #10
Today is the 30th anniversary of Ben Linder's assassination in Nicaragua. L. Coyote Apr 2017 #8
Saw a documentary zentrum Apr 2017 #9
Sure do radical noodle Apr 2017 #11
Years ago I had a very good friend who was on board the Turner Joy that day. Mr.Bill Apr 2017 #12
Barely Omaha Steve Apr 2017 #13
Not to mention the pretense with which we went to war in Iraq. Amaryllis Apr 2017 #14
Yes and don't forget the WMD nonsense tragedy SHRED Apr 2017 #15
Yes, and I have referred to it on DU whenever the topic of "legitimate news sources" comes up. WinkyDink Apr 2017 #16
Remember the Maine! tclambert Apr 2017 #17
yeah, I went through two diapers that day. Demonaut Apr 2017 #19
I was 15 and remember that it sounded fishy even then. VOX Apr 2017 #21
I remember this incident Gothmog Apr 2017 #22
Yes. Turned out to be a fake. Liberal In Texas Apr 2017 #23
I don't remember it since I wasn't born yet, but I read about it. Buckeye_Democrat Apr 2017 #24
Yes! Vividely! burrowowl Apr 2017 #25

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
3. The US Government never learns from history.
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 06:39 PM
Apr 2017

Supply side economics under Reagan, Bush the lesser, and now Trump.

And GOP voters will, of course, be fooled once again.

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
6. Who knows how many American soldiers died after the Gulf of Tonkin resolution passed?
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 06:59 PM
Apr 2017

How many Asians were killed and injured? How many are still being killed or injured by land mines?

How many countries were illegally bombed?

How much the Vietnam War still costs the government each year?

zentrum

(9,865 posts)
9. Saw a documentary
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 07:38 PM
Apr 2017

...about MacNammara a few years ago that was all about this phony operation.

Good point. Yes, it sure feels like it's happening again. Dems need to remember and scream holy hell even if they don't have enough votes to stop it.

Mr.Bill

(24,334 posts)
12. Years ago I had a very good friend who was on board the Turner Joy that day.
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 08:31 PM
Apr 2017

He always said they were ordered to shoot at nothing.

VOX

(22,976 posts)
21. I was 15 and remember that it sounded fishy even then.
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 09:19 PM
Apr 2017

If you were aware and conscious during JFK's assassination, major events after that were viewed very cautiously and with a great deal of circumspection.

Liberal In Texas

(13,592 posts)
23. Yes. Turned out to be a fake.
Sat Apr 29, 2017, 12:22 AM
Apr 2017

Excuse, to get us involved in Viet Nam more heavily.

Why do you bring it up?


Buckeye_Democrat

(14,858 posts)
24. I don't remember it since I wasn't born yet, but I read about it.
Sat Apr 29, 2017, 03:45 AM
Apr 2017

It's another reason that I don't trust our government whenever I hear the "drumbeats" for war. The evidence better be damn strong that it's "necessary" or I'd prefer that we not get involved.

The many days of misinformation and superficial "patriotism" leading up to the idiotic invasion of Iraq was a bad enough experience for me. It's not like segments of the media weren't telling Americans that inspectors weren't finding evidence of WMD's. It's not like there were no foreign affair analysts who correctly predicted the civil unrest (and the death of many innocents) that an invasion would create.

Someone recommended a book by Thomas Friedman to me and I replied that I never want to read anything by him after he'd written articles in favor of the invasion. The reply to me was that "everyone makes mistakes" and "he's sorry about it" now. Boo-hoo for him!

Remember the scientists who thought they created "cold fusion" years ago? Their careers were ruined by it, yet they didn't make a "mistake" that got hundreds of thousands of civilians killed, a smaller number of our own soldiers killed, and the later turmoil that still exists to this day.

Oh, and let's not forget all the money this country spent on that BS! That's actually a minor point for me compared to my previous ones, but I realize that's most important to some Americans (usually Republicans).

I had flashbacks when I saw reports of the USS Carl Vinson not being close to the Korean Peninsula as previously reported. There were even reports, supposedly from Japanese officials, that the aircraft carrier was in that area and being followed by ships from China and Russia! The news then showed old pictures of ships followed the aircraft carrier, implying that it was happening currently. How was any of that happening when our ship wasn't even remotely close to that area at the time?! And why didn't anyone at the Pentagon correct those mistaken reports after all those days?!

It's so rotten and it makes me ill.

It can easily happen again. All it will take is around-the-clock coverage of supposed "threats" with several "experts" being interviewed about it (like they were while the Russian and Chinese ships were supposedly trailing our aircraft carrier that wasn't even there), and a bunch of paranoid Americans will support something stupid.

Latest Discussions»General Discussion»Does anyone remember the ...