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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSometimes I think we are dealing with something that is too big to jail?
Too big to be investigated by the US House or Senate. Too big to be investigated by the FBI or the CIA. Too big to be prosecuted by our Justice Dept.
Sometimes I think we are dealing with an international crime syndicate that controls political Parties and even, countries. They are involved with money laundering on a scale that is beyond comprehension. We are talking about hundreds of billions of dollars. It is led by the Russian Mafia.
It is my opinion that our present leader, Donald J Trump, has been a part of this organization for 20-30 years. He is competing with Vladimir Putin to be the wealthiest man in the world.
He has now taken control of a major political Party in the United States and he is protected by them from investigations and prosecutions.
This may be the largest criminal operation in human history? And I would not hold my breath waiting for someone to come forward with the truth.
Perhaps we are dealing with something that is too big for any institutions in our country to handle?
That is a possibility that I hope is never true.
pbmus
(12,422 posts)And that is more than scary.
brush
(53,871 posts)on bankruptcy. Why does that matter? Well that company just happened to have made a 500k donation to trump'a inaugural parade.
How does a near bankrupt company afford a 500k donation?
Seems that donation was channeled through Citgo from Rosneft, the huge Russian oil giant, which just happens to own a big part of Citgo and may end up with it from the bankruptcy.
That would then give Rosneft, a Russian company, Citgo's holdings in the US oil market.
The scandal is huge and has tentacles all the way from Venezuela to Russia to trump and who know where else.
dooner
(1,217 posts)I wonder if this dark period will be remembered as WW3?
BUT I do think there's real hope that even a huge beast can be attacked strategically. I'm still counting on our smartest,
most patriotic people (politicians, scientists, intelligence community, legal system, citizens) to work together to beat this back and protect our country.
MedusaX
(1,129 posts)But in order to achieve long term sustainability, expendable human resources are built into the organizationsl structure just as are allowable losses of revenue/ assets....
This is similar to a lizard's break away tail .....
The organized corruption, itself, is not a realistic target for investigation/prosecutorial acts....but these acts have immense value nonetheless.
Short term:
These acts serve as a way to minimize rampant expansion of corruption beyond the degree to which it currently exists...
They provide some opportunities for restitution...
They serve as an 'example' of penalties which can be imposed and hopefully deter some from engaging in such activities...
Long term: overtime, the lack of growth combined with the natural life expectancy of the human components and the evolving dynamics of society will eventually lead to the downfall of any given organized network of corruption....
While such networks will always exist... individually they do come to an end.
So, the question at hand is....
Which of these buffoons are considered 'expendable' in the eyes of the corruption's power source...
I would venture to guess that those in the WH all are... up to& including 45... despite any personal beliefs they each may hold to the contrary....
Mr. Ected
(9,670 posts)In a perfect world, democracy and justice would prevail, and all the bad guys would face the consequences of their treachery.
But democracy is fragile, and our population is deeply divided along partisan lines.
Something this monumental may threaten the acceptance of our most cherished institutions.
Millions would believe this is some sort of political witch hunt. They've been conditioned that way because they themselves have spent decades pursuing political witch hunts. This may seem like retaliation.
I think there's a lot of things that Washington believes We the People do not need to know. This may be one of them....but once the small fish begin to fry, there may be no way to stop the dominoes from falling.
kentuck
(111,110 posts)...and getting any kind of justice, is an opposing political Party that chooses to block and obstruct all efforts to hold people accountable.
That is the biggest problem facing our democracy, imo.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)You would need to knock out a couple of walls to get that massive booty behind bars.
ProudProgressiveNow
(6,129 posts)DinahMoeHum
(21,809 posts)And there isn't a person, institution or building so big that a chihuahua cannot hike up a hind leg to piss on.
You wait and see. . .somebody with a grudge will take him out. One way or another.
Trump and family have to be lucky 100 percent. . .Someone with a grudge only has to be lucky ONCE.
bucolic_frolic
(43,296 posts)If one reads "The Matarese Circle", written late 70s I think, you'd almost
swear they stole the script to use it today. He always wrote about these
secret brotherhoods that trace their roots to the early 1900s, and were
colluding to grab power, fame, and fortune. Ludlum perhaps suspected
this is what drove politics and business throughout history. The movie of
his novel "The Holcroft Covenant", stripped of the complex conspiracies
in the book, is also a good echo.
A thorough study and reading of Machiavelli would also be in order. He saw the rise
and fall of governments in his little Italian city state, he was inside, he was outside,
he saw power, business collusion, princes rise and princes fall.
You must admit in the course of human history some pretty inept, unqualified people
assumed power that affected the world. How did they get there? Who backed them?
Author Jim Marrs is another one. "Rule by Secrecy" amongst other titles. And Francis
Conolly's documentary "Everything is a Rich Man's Trick".
http://wariscrime.com/new/everything-rich-mans-trick/
First Speaker
(4,858 posts)...which would leave only one alternative. A cure that would be worse than the disease. But if the cabal keeps growing, and if elections really are being literally stolen--something I think is very possibly happening--then some sort of intervention might be the only chance we have. God help us. Do you want to be shot, or take poison?
Mickju
(1,805 posts)kacekwl
(7,021 posts)it's because too many of our "representatives" are involved. It is WAY past time for the information seen by those who are disturbed by it's content but unwilling to do anything with it release it to the public so we can decide how to deal with traitors in our government and business community . It may just take actual pitchforks and torches to remove the whole bunch and deliver the justice they deserve.
Demtexan
(1,588 posts)One group covering for another.
A lot of money changed hands.
Putin knows who and where.
We just have to keep pushing it.
Putin can not be happy about all the information coming out.
keithbvadu2
(36,918 posts)No one seems to mention the Illuminati.
Would they be the power or the errand boys for such a power?