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True Dough

(17,305 posts)
Sun Apr 30, 2017, 12:03 PM Apr 2017

Can criminalizing homelessness help?

It doesn't seem to make sense, but more and more cities are doing it.


There’s nothing shocking, really, about Houston’s new law making it easier for homeless people to be arrested simply for being homeless.

Not when over 100 American cities have effectively criminalized everyday life for the homeless, making crimes of things from sleeping outside to brushing teeth in public. Even as cities become more socially conscious about LGBTQ rights and drug policies, they’ve become less tolerant of their neediest inhabitants and more comfortable with cops and the justice system sweeping up the human trash, as it were.

City-wide bans on public camping (PDF) have increased by 69 percent throughout the United States. What used to be seen as an annoyance is now prohibited, forcing fines or jail time on those who certainly can’t afford it. The only nationwide nonprofit devoted to studying this, the National Law Center on Homelessness and Poverty, has been tracking these changes since 2006. Their findings? There are a scary number of laws passed that ironically make it costly to be homeless.

For example, in 33 of the 100 U.S. cities they studied, it’s illegal to publicly camp. In 18, it’s illegal to sleep in public. Panhandling is illegal in 27 cities. In 39 cities, it’s illegal to live in vehicles. For extreme sports junkies (like Yosemite climbers who try to live in their cars), this is an inconvenience. For the homeless, it leaves no alternatives, especially if shelters are too far, too full, or too violent (a common problem). For some people, the choice might be between living in a car or sleeping outside—but what if both are criminalized?


http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/04/30/the-laws-cities-use-to-make-homelessness-a-crime
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Can criminalizing homelessness help? (Original Post) True Dough Apr 2017 OP
They are doing it so corporate employees & visitors don't have to see them. Cattledog Apr 2017 #1
Absolutely! Raster Apr 2017 #4
They don't *want* to provide services to help the homeless, for fear of making their city tblue37 Apr 2017 #13
Oh fucking yeah, if trump gets his way millions will become homeless. Doreen Apr 2017 #2
Well, Trump is meeting with Rodrigo Duterte True Dough Apr 2017 #3
You put "wallah" in quotes, so I assume you know that is not the correct spelling of "voila." tblue37 Apr 2017 #14
Crap, I made a mistake. I apologize. Doreen Apr 2017 #15
?? I assumed you didn't make a mistake, but rather were playing with a meme you had seen all over tblue37 Apr 2017 #16
No, it was simply a mistake. I was trying to type fast, watch TV, and yell at the cat for messing Doreen Apr 2017 #17
No--but I do teach college English myself. Of course, being an tblue37 Apr 2017 #18
I have no clue about French. I know some German but not enough to Doreen Apr 2017 #19
They are feeding their private hellish prisons. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #5
I imagine the suicidal rate would skyrocket... FarPoint Apr 2017 #6
My perspective Cartoonist Apr 2017 #7
homelessness is a sign KT2000 Apr 2017 #8
Meanwhile, Utah (Yes, red, red Utah) is experimenting with providing decent housing for Squinch Apr 2017 #9
Cities are doing it because you can't let sidewalks turn into modern day opium dens Sen. Walter Sobchak Apr 2017 #10
as if they don't have enough trouble. spanone Apr 2017 #11
If by 'help' you mean 'finish paving the way for the removal of a huge... Shandris Apr 2017 #12
No, of course it doesn't make sense. Aristus Apr 2017 #20

Cattledog

(5,914 posts)
1. They are doing it so corporate employees & visitors don't have to see them.
Sun Apr 30, 2017, 12:14 PM
Apr 2017

They should be working to solve the problem not criminalize it.

Raster

(20,998 posts)
4. Absolutely!
Sun Apr 30, 2017, 12:27 PM
Apr 2017

That seems to be the corporate-fascist way to do things... don't solve the problem, CRIMINALIZE IT!

tblue37

(65,376 posts)
13. They don't *want* to provide services to help the homeless, for fear of making their city
Sun Apr 30, 2017, 05:13 PM
Apr 2017

attractive to the homeless and this increasing their numbers.

Doreen

(11,686 posts)
2. Oh fucking yeah, if trump gets his way millions will become homeless.
Sun Apr 30, 2017, 12:16 PM
Apr 2017

If homelessness is illegal then they can put people in jail or prison and "wallah" free labor. That is the only reason I can see to make homelessness illegal. Hell, illegal immigrants will no longer be "so called taking your jobs" it will be people who are homeless but not by choice. I also see homeless people being murdered on a bigger scale just because they are now illegal and trump like people will feel they have an obligation and right. The murder of these people will rarely be punished. Just my opinion and how I read into it.

True Dough

(17,305 posts)
3. Well, Trump is meeting with Rodrigo Duterte
Sun Apr 30, 2017, 12:19 PM
Apr 2017

and some argue that Duterte's war on drugs is essentially a war against the poor. Hmm...

tblue37

(65,376 posts)
14. You put "wallah" in quotes, so I assume you know that is not the correct spelling of "voila."
Sun Apr 30, 2017, 05:16 PM
Apr 2017

However, I do see "wallah" all over the place online (including here on DU), and when I see it, it normally seems that the person using it has no clue that it is wrong.

Is deliberately spelling it that way some sort of internet meme?

tblue37

(65,376 posts)
16. ?? I assumed you didn't make a mistake, but rather were playing with a meme you had seen all over
Sun Apr 30, 2017, 05:31 PM
Apr 2017

the internet.

I'm sorry. I didn't mean to call you out about it. I am just curious about where that spelling got started or why people use it.

Doreen

(11,686 posts)
17. No, it was simply a mistake. I was trying to type fast, watch TV, and yell at the cat for messing
Sun Apr 30, 2017, 05:50 PM
Apr 2017

with cords. I can usually type fast and watch TV pretty well but when you have a cat who will not stop playing with cords you get distracted. I asked if you know my mother because she is an English major. Not that I did well learning very well.

tblue37

(65,376 posts)
18. No--but I do teach college English myself. Of course, being an
Sun Apr 30, 2017, 05:54 PM
Apr 2017

english major or teaching English does not guarantee familiarity with French.

Doreen

(11,686 posts)
19. I have no clue about French. I know some German but not enough to
Sun Apr 30, 2017, 06:04 PM
Apr 2017

have a conversation. I speak proper English and am a pronunciation Nazi but when it comes to writing I am horrible. Part of my problem is ADHD, dyslexia, and a learning disability but I try.

Demsrule86

(68,576 posts)
5. They are feeding their private hellish prisons.
Sun Apr 30, 2017, 12:29 PM
Apr 2017

Arrest a homeless person, fine him/her. When said person can't pay, jail him/her. Add cost of being in jail to the fine-rinse repeat...now the person essentially serves a life sentence for being poor. It is disgusting and evil.

FarPoint

(12,396 posts)
6. I imagine the suicidal rate would skyrocket...
Sun Apr 30, 2017, 12:30 PM
Apr 2017

Secondly, local jail can not handle the population nor afford the escalation of expenses.

Cartoonist

(7,317 posts)
7. My perspective
Sun Apr 30, 2017, 12:50 PM
Apr 2017

I've been homeless several times. Bad luck or bad planning. I would lose an apartment and not be able to get another without a gap of homelessnes. There was no alternative but to sleep in my car.

I was woken once by cops who, fortunately, did not arrest me. Instead, they essentially told me to get out of town. I will side with the homeless on many issues.

KT2000

(20,581 posts)
8. homelessness is a sign
Sun Apr 30, 2017, 01:11 PM
Apr 2017

that our society is failing. It should be a signal for a correction of some kind but no - this country has to turn it into a crime.
It takes about $3K to get into a 1 bedroom apartment and pass credit checks if someone has bad luck that caused them to lose their apartment.
The WalMart parking lot is the refuge in this town.
It is disgraceful.

Squinch

(50,949 posts)
9. Meanwhile, Utah (Yes, red, red Utah) is experimenting with providing decent housing for
Sun Apr 30, 2017, 02:36 PM
Apr 2017

the homeless. They're finding that this saves them enormous amounts of tax dollars.

One would think that would encourage other areas to try it. But nooooooo. Republicans won't allow it. Because they live to be senselessly cruel and vindictive.

 

Sen. Walter Sobchak

(8,692 posts)
10. Cities are doing it because you can't let sidewalks turn into modern day opium dens
Sun Apr 30, 2017, 05:03 PM
Apr 2017

If you don't live in the West Coast it can be hard to conceptualize just how out of hand things have become.

 

Shandris

(3,447 posts)
12. If by 'help' you mean 'finish paving the way for the removal of a huge...
Sun Apr 30, 2017, 05:05 PM
Apr 2017

...chunk of the populace', then yes, it most certainly helps!

I mean, it's not like we've got a huge bubble about to burst timed with the automation of about half the economy. I'm sure housing will be FINE!

Aristus

(66,379 posts)
20. No, of course it doesn't make sense.
Sun Apr 30, 2017, 06:10 PM
Apr 2017

But when politicians want to look like they're doing something without having to think too hard about it, they bleed it out of the innocent, the powerless, the defenseless, and the suffering.



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