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This is what we've devolved to, people.
FDT.
NunnesBuznat
(47 posts)I saw that resemblance too
Sen. Walter Sobchak
(8,692 posts)and what is that gesture?
MrScorpio
(73,631 posts)0rganism
(23,955 posts)appropriating to the point where anyone who uses them is immediately suspect
looky here! Steph Curry's white power salute! or did he just drop a 3? inquiring minds want to know
someday the alt-right fuckwads will find a way to make breathing socially unacceptable, and 100% screw the rest of us over... bigly
i suggest, whenever possible, we resist such cultural annexation and reclaim the gestures and ideas for general purposes
octoberlib
(14,971 posts)OK sign and they know it. To use the OK sign you touch the tips of your fingers together. Those that use the white power sign touch the PADS of their fingers together, as does Trump.
salin
(48,955 posts)Sinister times.
octoberlib
(14,971 posts)when he speaks .
Nevernose
(13,081 posts)Trump's weird hand gestures are the origin of the link to alt-white neo-nazi symbol. Kind of like Pepe the Frog, it started out as kind of a "joke" and just expanded into a symbol of tribal affiliation.
And tribal affiliation is all that these people have left: there are no morals, reason, or articulable philosophy left in any conservative organization or movement that I'm aware of.
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)That I've ever seen.
That makes sense of the ones that keep hanging on to the cult. The cult leaders need them. They need each other.
We really do have to show up in 2018. The cult leaders are and will do everything in their power to block us. Especially push fake news HARD.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)tiny hands. Why would he constantly be using his hands when he is talking? It never occurred to me that he was flashing the bat signal to his racist, deplorable followers.
Shandris
(3,447 posts)The OK sign is 'white power' now.
Yah, nah, I think I'll not be letting them run roughshod over speech and reality by just claiming literally any symbol they want as theirs, making 4 memes, then waiting for the SPLC to scream EHRMAGAWD IT'S A WHITE SUPREMACIST!! Y'all can play that game if you'd like, though. Spoiler alert: It's a game you can't win.
So long as things have 'intrinsic meaning' that can be assigned, they will continue to do this. Learn to detach symbols from symbolism.
Medicine from poison is the great challenge of this Age.
R B Garr
(16,954 posts)Shandris
(3,447 posts)It took journalists a long time to realize they needed to have people check in on /pol/ every now and then, and many of them still suck real bad at it, but this guy got burned once and got reasonably up to speed in a short time.
https://www.buzzfeed.com/josephbernstein/the-trump-internet-keeps-making-fake-hate-symbols-and
R B Garr
(16,954 posts)Sure thing.
Shandris
(3,447 posts)Well, you're entitled to your opinion. That you find such humor in it is good, because it's being used to destroy our message.
Definitely stuff to laugh about uproariously.
R B Garr
(16,954 posts)that comes out of Trump or his associates, that's on you. It just looks like more trolling on their part. And calling out white power messages where it's used is not destroying any message. It's pointing out that we're on to their offensive trolling. If you want to make excuses for them, that's your choice.
Shandris
(3,447 posts)You took the bait. The bait was the symbol, just like it was for milk.
But it's okay, I already recognize I'm talking to a strategic messaging expert who has years more experience than I do, who knows the inside and out of the places where the planning for these trolling operations occur, and are well-versed in memetics. I realize I can contribute nothing of value to your erudite elucidation of the multi-layered evil of Trump's approach. Not when you're 'on to their trolling'. I'm just 'repeating Trump's lies', but we're not fooled! The OK sign was always REALLY a supersecret Nazi sign, and it was slyly distributed online by smoke signal!
I love this site sometimes.
R B Garr
(16,954 posts)He is quite the messaging expert!
Ilsa
(61,695 posts)NutmegYankee
(16,199 posts)MrScorpio
(73,631 posts)Since this a Pepe, Alt Right nazi thing, it's going to take some time before it catches on.
https://www.adl.org/education/references/hate-symbols
sarah FAILIN
(2,857 posts)He told me it's been used for some time. I didn't believe it till he told me then showed it to me online.
Honestly, I think the kid knows a lot more about the klan that any non-member would so I believe him.
SeattleVet
(5,477 posts)Looks like some neo-nazi assholes have been trying to push this for a bit:
Inkfreak
(1,695 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)What specifically leads you to that conclusion? Or is yours simply a wee guess as well...?
Inkfreak
(1,695 posts)My record is flawless. Except New Coke..I was sure that was gonna take off.
Hell Hath No Fury
(16,327 posts)He looks familiar but I can't place him.
Henry Krinkle
(208 posts)and who prefers black men, throwing out "white power" signs?
The world truly has gone mad!
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Initech
(100,079 posts)These assholes think it's a joke but it's far, far from a joke.
aikoaiko
(34,170 posts)WhiteSupremacy does suck.
Henry Krinkle
(208 posts)I just fucking knew that there was something fishy about this guy and that he was hiding something...
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tblue37
(65,377 posts)Henry Krinkle
(208 posts)shared by white supremacist chefs and cooks (they're not fooling anyone those all white uniforms).
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Also notice the near lack of any POC's along with under representation of women. This supportive evidence
only confirms that there is indeed some presence of white nationalism (and misogyny), in the upper echelons
and elite of the food service industry.
R B Garr
(16,954 posts)ismnotwasm
(41,984 posts)Are indentifing strongly with Trump. Mr. Scorpio knows his shit. I'm very disinclined to be dismissive of anything he has to say, particularly when it comes to racism.
R B Garr
(16,954 posts)That's the politest way to say it, ahem.
Henry Krinkle
(208 posts)Especially considering that they all wear that foolish looking white hat.
And you know who else has a history of wearing foolish looking white hats?
Yep.... you guessed it, that's who!
Coincidence, co-opted or culturally appropriated from a long line once proud, tolerant chefs?
Pffffft! Poppycock I say!
R B Garr
(16,954 posts)liked the meatballs.
0rganism
(23,955 posts)you're not fooling anyone with that colorful logo on your lily white jersey, Mr. Curry
R B Garr
(16,954 posts)Last edited Sun Apr 30, 2017, 08:16 PM - Edit history (3)
which is what this thread is about.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2017/2/21/1636419/-Yes-Trump-s-Aide-Really-Did-Throw-White-Power-Sign
The right hand, on top, is showing just three fingers: "W".
His left hand curls to make the "P" formation.
WP. White Power. White nationalists know exactly what that sign means.
According to the Anti-Defamation League, this is a common white supremacist hand sign particularly used in California. (Stephen Miller is from Santa Monica.)
untitled_%286%29.png attribution: screengrab from ADL
edit-sorry, didn't realize how much I had pasted in initially.
gratuitous
(82,849 posts)Otherwise, I'm inclined to think that, yeah, they're doing the wussy power sign.
rockfordfile
(8,704 posts)Trump Trash really hates America.
irisblue
(32,975 posts)And time for the almost daily phrase....F that guy and those 2 as well.
R B Garr
(16,954 posts)the white power sign on TV a few months back. I was going to ask if anyone else here noticed it because I didn't think I saw a thread about it. Hubby had to rewind the DVR and show it to me, but it was on a major network show. This is the guy who said the President's power will not be questioned. This is absolutely insane to see this kind of hateful stupidity thrown in our faces coming from that office, but 80,000 people believed Trump's con job, so here we are.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2017/2/21/1636419/-Yes-Trump-s-Aide-Really-Did-Throw-White-Power-Sign
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Please stop with this.
Shandris
(3,447 posts)See, it's a cycle. The right takes a well-known symbol, drops a couple memes to associate it with them, waits on an organization to 'declare it a hate symbol' (and they will, because they've set precedent doing it for so long) at which point most thinking people look at it, look at the response, and mock us.
Remember that 'Mockery is the best weapon!'? Well, this is a potent form of internalized mockery. They make us look stupid to people so that they've discounted us BEFORE we ever start to have conversations (and that's effective as hell too, since most of our number seem to think 'EJUCATE YURSELF!' is a good 'conversation', or that one isn't needed at all).
And then you can seal the deal by noticing how many people in our party still think that we're not, in any way, out of touch with a huge chunk of America, because those are the people driving the idiotic reactions in the first place. It's rather beautiful, in a slimy sort of way, but was exactly how Gamergate was waged (and no surprise, since most of Gamergate were young people who were ostensibly liberal until they woke up one morning to find they'd all 'died' and realized that getting crucified for existing probably wasn't in their best interest; IOW, we literally drove our own culture warriors from the party and they were the ones who were best at messaging).
Of course, I warned about that almost 2 years ago now, but hey, what do I know? I'm just a kooky conspiracy theorist.
you nailed it
the "rare Pepes" were the canary in the coal mine
opiate69
(10,129 posts)Beautiflly stated.
ismnotwasm
(41,984 posts)Those bright eyed innocents of gamergate. What an example!
Shandris
(3,447 posts)What IS important is that they identified as liberal, do not do so anymore, and a huge majority of them are now crafting the messages that buried us in the election. If you're incapable of seeing that those messages used in our favor would be a much better idea, I'm uncertain what to tell you.
But don't let that get in the way of you trying to snark on me because I dared to mention GamerGate without the proper obeisance and Tourette's-like litany of labels.
ismnotwasm
(41,984 posts)So they, in their liberal-identifying righteousness felt it their patriotic dury to send death and rape threats? Are you saying we misunderstood what they meant by that?
R B Garr
(16,954 posts)They've given us all the signs, but we've missed it somehow.
Talking about racism, though...denial.
Henry Krinkle
(208 posts)knowing that the naive and gullible will quickly snatch it up.
When will they ever learn?
They have now made it just that whether it started out that way or not.
Kingofalldems
(38,458 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)rollin74
(1,975 posts)a "666" hand sign (according to a lot of christian fundy types anyway) symbol of "6" with 3 fingers behind it
countless celebrities and politicians have been called out by fundy conspiracy quacks for doing it
who the hell knows, really
AgadorSparticus
(7,963 posts)And this is their sign.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)R B Garr
(16,954 posts)the are from the Midwest and PNW. Maybe it's more of a regional thing, but these signs are not unknown in the greater Los Angeles area and probably more larger cities.
It's quite an in-your-face trolling that Trump and his white power lovers are doing. Denying the obvious to create more division.
Hekate
(90,704 posts)...that's the dead giveaway. Smug, arrogant, and "aren't we just so cute and clever to be doing this in the White House" -- That, aside from the fact that Mr Scorpio really does know what he is talking about, tells me this is a real thing.
Baconator
(1,459 posts)... Is the even newer and more underground unassailable proof of a white supremacist?
Also breathing...
I read about it on this site called 4chan.
FFS...
AncientGeezer
(2,146 posts)R B Garr
(16,954 posts)cwydro
(51,308 posts)I don't know who these idiots are or if their "sign" means anything.
What utter stupidity to read on this site.
Ugh and unrec.
Dyedinthewoolliberal
(15,575 posts)perfect?
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Hekate
(90,704 posts)Inkfreak
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