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xchrom

(108,903 posts)
Wed Jul 4, 2012, 07:10 AM Jul 2012

Why Europe's Laws On Vacations Are Better Than Your Wildest Dreams (and How Badly Americans Get

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Why Europe's Laws On Vacations Are Better Than Your Wildest Dreams (and How Badly Americans Get Screwed)

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Imagine this: You work 25 hours a week at the McDonald’s in Cairo, New York, and have finally earned two weeks of paid vacation. You set out on a bike trip. On the first day in the saddle, you hit a pothole and crash, cracking your collar bone. You sit on your couch for the rest of your vacation watching the Tour de France. Tough luck.

Unless you worked for McDonald’s in Europe. If you did, you would be entitled to a fully paid do-over, according to a June 21 ruling of the Court of Justice of the European Union, the highest court in Europe (whose rulings must be followed by all member states). This court ruled that all European workers are entitled to their full vacation after they have healed:

“A worker who becomes unfit during his paid annual leave, is entitled at a later point to a period of leave of the same duration as that of his sick leave.”
This means that European workers can take their paid sick leave during their paid vacations, and take their vacations all over again, and guess what? American corporations who do business in Europe, like McDonalds, have to pay for it!

And the comparisons between American and European workplaces get worse: Not only do American corporations with operations in Europe have to provide their workers with paid sick leave during worker vacations, but also, by law they have to provide paid vacations in the first place, which in most countries amounts to a month or more.
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Why Europe's Laws On Vacations Are Better Than Your Wildest Dreams (and How Badly Americans Get (Original Post) xchrom Jul 2012 OP
I believe most if not all member states of the EU mandate women be paid during maternity leave also. Selatius Jul 2012 #1
we're pretty much slaves southmost Jul 2012 #2
Thanks! Solly Mack Jul 2012 #3
It's been this way for a long time... TreasonousBastard Jul 2012 #4
And yet, McDonalds chooses to locate franchises in these Socialistic countries. canoeist52 Jul 2012 #5
+1 xchrom Jul 2012 #6
I had the immense pleasure of working one May in Bavaria for my then company Creideiki Jul 2012 #7
If they privatize/destroy Soc. Sec. and give me a "lump sum" to invest... stlsaxman Jul 2012 #8
k/r marmar Jul 2012 #9
Lets NOT forget, they also get pd maternity and paternity glowing Jul 2012 #10
we have PTO for everything. no distinction btwn sick days and vacay... nashville_brook Jul 2012 #11
One of my college friends went on a study program in Norway after graduation Lydia Leftcoast Jul 2012 #12

Selatius

(20,441 posts)
1. I believe most if not all member states of the EU mandate women be paid during maternity leave also.
Wed Jul 4, 2012, 07:36 AM
Jul 2012

Working women in the United States enjoy no such benefit at all.

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
4. It's been this way for a long time...
Wed Jul 4, 2012, 07:44 AM
Jul 2012

Back in the 60's I was amazed at the rights German workers had. They didn't get paid as much as we did, but not that much less and their costs were lower while their benefits were amazing.

Later on, I worked with a British guy who insisted he still be paid by the British subsidiary while he worked here. His benefits and rules beat ours by miles.

The US isn't any more the workers' paradise they want you to believe it is than the old Soviets were.

OTOH, it's not any easier to get a good job with bennies in Europe than it is here-- the rules are so tight that many employers hire temps (just like here) to get around them.

canoeist52

(2,282 posts)
5. And yet, McDonalds chooses to locate franchises in these Socialistic countries.
Wed Jul 4, 2012, 07:47 AM
Jul 2012

How can they afford to do business there and yet, in the U. S., fair working conditions would kill their businesses.

Creideiki

(2,567 posts)
7. I had the immense pleasure of working one May in Bavaria for my then company
Wed Jul 4, 2012, 08:15 AM
Jul 2012

They had so many official holidays in the conservative South of Germany, that a lot of people started coming in for a few hours just to get a couple things done on their day off. Then they'd head home after running a report, getting caught up, doing some programming.

And their productivity was higher than the home offices.

So more time off, means more rested employees, means more productive overall than the American employees. It was definitely eye-opening.

stlsaxman

(9,236 posts)
8. If they privatize/destroy Soc. Sec. and give me a "lump sum" to invest...
Wed Jul 4, 2012, 08:25 AM
Jul 2012

I'm gonna buy in to the most efficient European pension system I can find and move there.

they're doing "something" right.

 

glowing

(12,233 posts)
10. Lets NOT forget, they also get pd maternity and paternity
Wed Jul 4, 2012, 09:56 AM
Jul 2012

leave when they have a child... And no one seems to be "bilking" the system by having multiple offspring... In some countries the number of people are declining, unless they have an influx of immigration.

nashville_brook

(20,958 posts)
11. we have PTO for everything. no distinction btwn sick days and vacay...
Wed Jul 4, 2012, 08:02 PM
Jul 2012

most ppl where i work have 20 days to be used as anything. after five years you get another five days off for a total of 25 days. no more bumps in days until 15 years vested.

people naturally try to take all their days as vacay and end up coming into work sick a lot in the fall when school is back in session.

it's a super stressful workplace so i don't begrudge anyone wanting as much vacay as possible. i work 60 hour weeks on salary, with no overtime...that's just to keep my head above water. i'm having a major guit trip for taking 1.5 days off for this holiday.

it just sucks that the rules are set to discourage using time off for being sick.

Lydia Leftcoast

(48,217 posts)
12. One of my college friends went on a study program in Norway after graduation
Wed Jul 4, 2012, 08:06 PM
Jul 2012

and drifted into becoming a permanent resident through a series of small decisions.

Now, nearly 40 years later, she has an IT job for the Norwegian government. As a resident of Norway, she automatically gets four weeks of paid vacation. As a government employee, she gets an extra week, and now that she just turned 60, she gets still another week for a total of six weeks.

My Norwegian relatives travel A LOT.

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