will never go along with a new bill.

That was my first thought as well.

It could drag on and as long as there is no bill for trumpy to sign, ObamaCare is still there for folks. The Cook Report moved 20 House seats to Dem leaning this morning.

"Yes, oh yes. (What lovely paper this is printed on! The best paper!) We'll just file this bill right over here in a very prominent place on the pile under my desk. We'll get to writing our own bill just as soon as we possibly can...yessiree..."

too.

They will claim victory regardless of the verity of their belief.

It's the way they are. It's a make-believe world they live in.

How does she keep her job as a teacher?

Tennessee

I am a native Tennessean and reside here. I hold three degrees, two at the doctorate level. I am politically active an have served on the Boards of numerous progressive entities. Your need to globally demean the residents of my state, or any other state for that matter, is puerile and is not worthy of someone who claims to be a progressive. Shame on you.

of freedom of speech; don't set up a straw man here. The comment was directed at a post that asked how an ignorant individual was able to keep a job as a teacher. The demeaning comment then implicated the entire state; nothing was said about the government of the state. I agree that our legislature is made up of a large number of ignorant morons, but it doesn't mean we are all stupid, backward, and lazy. Don't defend divisive comments and pile on by making snide remarks yourself.

Yep.

No thank you.

Have you even ventured out of your mom's basement?

If it weren't for the Mainer accents, you'd think you were in Alabama. Some even sport confederate flags, though I've not quite got my head around that, since many Maine towns have a Union monument. Same goes for parts of upstate NY and virtually all of the Midwest, outside the major metro areas. The central valley of CA. Bakersfield...a few hours from LA. OR and WA east of the Cascades. You need only look in your own state's backyard. Even in ultra red Texas, all the major metro counties are blue. The ex-burbs and hinterlands tend towards red.

Butte County, for instance. The Butte County high school principal once stopped a showing of Schindler's List to the senior class because it depicted 'inappropriate material'. He was, of course, a dedicated right-wing racist member of all sorts of local Klan fronts. The Butte County Sheriffs are of the worst variety of police imaginable. It's a dedicated White Pride zone, with a frightened and harassed but sizable Hispanic population.

The foothill suburbs of Sacramento are the Worst of the Worst. Creeps me out to be anywhere near those communities. Orangevale is a nightmarish libertarian paradise, for instance. Murderish beasts everywhere when I lived there for a short time. Psychotic neighbors with tortured dogs. Smiling old-timey racists living in every other house.

Also -- Sacramento has the honor of being the only place in the entire United States where the KKK felt comfortable opening a public office for their newspaper. It was firebombed after a few months and never reopened, but still.

Plenty of good and bad pockets all over this country. Tennessee has some awesome blue towns and communities, I'm sure.

Well said.

Unfortunately we have the government we deserve.

"You disapprove of freedom of speech I guess?"

Hasty generalizations, unsupported allegation and other logical fallacies, yes. But of course, you have the enumerated right to continue engaging in such.

Piss on the bigoted fools who believe we are all ignorant hayseeds just because we live in the south.

I doubt that person has ever spent any time here in TN. Implying that we are all ignorant is just as bigoted as implying the same about any large group of people. There are those who would never make racial or religious slurs, but somehow feel it is acceptable to demean everyone in a state or region.

They are uneducated but not stupid. They couldn't afford school beyond high school but I would match their wit and perception to any of my friends in PA, MD, NY. Not one of them voted for Trump.

It's true here in Wisconsin. Milwaukee and Madison areas are blue, and the north-central region is red. Some of our Milwaukee area suburban areas are also red. Not ignorant, just selfish about paying taxes.

any state, as being of a single mind, you are just over-reacting because I cannot believe you are that naive. So, please don't judge me for being fed up with states that would hire someone that ignorant as a teacher for "our" kids.
I do hope you can all do something to change your beloved state.

I have testified before our ridiculous, fundamentalist legislature, so I know that of which I speak. I simply think it is offensive to say what you said: "One word: Tennessee." Not, "it is amazing that someone so ignorant could have been a teacher," or "how can some people be so willfully blind?" or, "she should have educated herself;" you painted with the broadest brush to tar and feather our whole state. Substitute any racial or religious slur for the word "Tennessee," and it is clearly offensive. This is, too.

from a Georgian. The "Fuck the South" BS got real old a long time ago.

You are the exception to the rule. I have lived there, attended schools there and fled there when given the chance and can attest to the overall ignorance of the population. I was in middle Tennessee last week visiting and outside the urban oasis of Nashville it is as redneck and ignorant as ever if not more so. Come out of your bubble and wallow in the bubba.

and the deplorables who elect them, and consider guns in their pants on campuses more important than education, health care, decency, etc.

Doesn't mean everyone in Georgia is a backward moron (or should I say "moran&quot .

I take exception to stereotyping residents of any state.

It is not becoming of a member of a fact based community.

Please consider deleting you remark.

Have a nice evening.

That's all I was trying to say.

And yes, stereotyping is a form of generalizing. It is also a practice that many liberals who live in red and blue states have learned to find distasteful. Because, you know, all kinds of people are stereotyped.

And we liberals living in Southern red states are very, very familiar with the harm that has been and is being done by stereotyping. We live it every day.

But feel free to engage in it. It seem to make you happy.

Have a nice evening.

Much as I assume you will continue to rationalize your use of logical fallacies, regardless of your spare, your lecture or your dentist...

(learning the difference between "assume" (predicated on lack of evidence) and 'hypothesize" (predicated on evidence) will do you great credit in the future). Good luck!!!

I was a first-time patient.

The office personnel have to ASSUME that all patients will show on time with or without any evidence. Sure, they might hypothesize that patients show up based on averages, but that's not actual science, that's STATISTICS.

Science does not become you, but good luck with that anyway!

she can't destroy little minds any longer. These fucking yahoos are going to get a real slap in the face when they lose their health coverage. The bad, bad, black man made us get insurance for $500 less a month....that bastard!

I shouldn't be teaching either.

As long as she can teach her students what they need to know to prepare for 2nd grade she's good.

Unfortunately, those people are highly motivated. We, as Democrats, need to pound the pavement and stir up the 46% of eligible voters who didn't bother to vote in 2016 to get out there and vote in all of the small elections this year, in the MAJOR elections in 2018, and beyond.

They can claim whatever victory they want. We need to focus on improving people's lives, even the ones who are too ignorant to know what we are doing.

until all the Repugs get their share of Koch money, insurance co money, 1%er's money, etc and they all have their pockets filled and their next election locked up. Then they will pass it and Trump will sign it.

another 8 years to come up with their crappy idea.

It contains a waiver that makes congress-critters exempt from the preexisting conditions clause. Even if their states eliminate that coverage, THEIR families still get it.

Potemkin insurance. They can SAY it was a healthcare, but it was always just for show. Now they can tell their supporters, "We repealed and replaced Obamacare! We kept our campaign promise! Not our fault if the Senate didn't go along!" Knowing all along that if the Senate DID pass it, their supporters would rip the limb to limb when they actually found out what was in the bill.

this is what Senate Dems did to then Speaker Pelosi in the Obamacare fight. The House passed a fairly progressive bill that, IIRC, even had a semblance of a public option in it. In the end, they voted for the Senate version, which was much more conservative. There was quite a bit of discussion here about it.

I don't expect the Repub Senate bill to be that much better than the House version, though.

The good thing is that the Senate will slow down the process and allow the House Bill to be reviewed, scored, and laughed at. The Senate's process is usually slower and more transparent so there will be more time to call people out on it.

Midterm Elections, November 2018. DO NOT FORGET, AND DO NOT ROLL OVER AND GO BACK TO SLEEP, assuming the rest of us will carry it across the finish line for you.

VOTE, DAMMIT.

That's NOT a request. That's an ORDER, dammit.

Yes, those senate rethugs will help save the day! Don't hold your breath....it will be hazardous to your health. Not only do I count the rethugs as mostly all traitors now, it looks like they also want murderers added to their resume. We are living in a nightmare time.

I'm sure this displeases that POS in the White House.

It's the waiting I can't stand.

currently they just simply lack the voted needed though of course if they think they can get away with it they will pass it with a simply 51 votes for yes.

As long as this thing lingers, the longer before they own it. In the meantime they slice little pieces off until it fails and then blame Obama. If everybody loses their health care, the GOP plan will be good by comparison.

It's a tightrope timing wise and things could go wrong for them.

Meanwhile back at the Whitehouse, trump throws a swell party to forget about his Russian mob troubles for a while.

Another issue is, will consumers pull in their horns waiting for this thing to sort itself out?

that will cause a lot of confusion and pain. Like in the old days, folks will have to negotiate directly with insurance companies and provide their entire medical histories many times. Many don't realize that healthcare.gov or the state exchanges are Obamacare.

I would halfway expect them to sabotage the page so that you can do some things, enter information and then have the website come back with "not responding". Call our 800 number and wait.

I expect the people who do the actual work would not want this to happen. There are a lot of people who work for the Government who actually want it to function.

. . . you know . . . the episode about "I'm Just a Bill . . . "

not getting through the noise.

It is sad that the person is a teacher and did not understand how government works.

But several people I know who were happy to have insurance voted for Trump, because they believed he and the Republicans would provide better insurance. They fell for the con.

Democrats got heath insurance passed at the price of losing majorities in Congress and around the country. The irony is that by achieving something great we lost a lot of power

There is something on our part that needed to be done that we did not do. What was it?

Thanks working!

the Republican Party these days) gleefully announced that they'd voted to "repeal Obamacare" even though passing a bill in the House isn't the end of the story. But they made it look like it was a BFD with their party at the White House and their shit-eating grins and all. So Trump will beat his chest and his legions of deplorables will only hear the part about repealing Obamacare and they'll all whoop and holler and figure Dolt 45 kept his promise to repeal that terrible law that n****r made up. Meantime they'll get to keep their actual Obamacare with its protections for pre-existing conditions and lifetime coverage, at least for awhile, because you know the Senate wants nothing to do with the House bill so they'll start all over and massage the thing for months. And while that's going on everybody's pre-existing conditions will be covered and the deplorables will think Trump did it with his great new law he announced on May 4, which doesn't exist because it was a bill passed by the House that crashed and burned before it got to the Senate. But people don't know how all this works so Trump will get credit for something that never happened.

That was the only bill that could initially pass the House, and Republicans needed something to pass the House for the process to proceed. Now the Senate will write it's own bill, and then there will be negotiations between both Houses of Congress. Hard core rightists in the House will find it harder to resist the emergence of a more moderate bill than one they would have been willing to pass on their own the first time around - if they are the only thing left standing in the way of a Presidential signature.

Looks like they "spiked the football"


Meanwhile, while the Senate crafts its own bill, we'll get CBO scores for the House bill and, eventually, the Senate bill, and we can hound the Republicans that voted for the atrocity in the House relentlessly. We're not out of the woods yet though (the Senate bill will suck only a bit less- though it will probably suck just a bit too less for the "Death Caucus" to want to vote for in the end)


Y'know, it occurs to me that, instead of having the Senate write and pass a bill that they are going to have to reconcile with the House (somehow), neither of which are sure things to begin with, they should just work with Democrats to just fix ACA and call it a day. I know that that's not their MO and won't fly with their "base" but FFS it seems like it would save everybody a lot more time, energy, and, yes, even votes. Republicans in the House are more likely to lose votes rather than gain votes in 2018 for their ACHA vote and Senate Republicans don't even want to touch it (and even moreso once the CBO score for the Republican House-backed bill monstrosity finally gets released). Some Republicans in the Senate are also going to have to answer to non-gerrymandered voters in 2018.

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