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jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
Thu Jul 5, 2012, 12:59 PM Jul 2012

Mitt's father was "an auto executive"


I find it interesting that they never mention that the company in question was American Motors Co.

AMC cars were just awful. My first car was an AMC Hornet hatchback, and my family also spun the wheel a second time and bought the wagon. Of all the cars we ever had, there was no end of trouble with those two.

The Hornet was what you bought if you were too cheap to spring for a Chevy Nova...



Did anyone else own one of these things? One thing you could count on was every knob - the door locks, radio, window cranks, I mean EVERY knob - would come loose in under a year. Then the hatch pistons would fail, and the lock tumblers would wear out. They sort of ran okay, but the engineering of trim parts, seat mechanisms, etc. was consistently poor.

They always make him out to be "a successful auto industry executive" and never mention the truly shitty cars he cranked out.

And who can forget the zenith of AMC engineering:



I think "rust" was one of the factory-shipped options on that POS.
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Mitt's father was "an auto executive" (Original Post) jberryhill Jul 2012 OP
The Gremlin was terrible Politicalboi Jul 2012 #1
Gremlins can be fun too snooper2 Jul 2012 #22
Mine was pre-AMC pscot Jul 2012 #2
My dad had one of those Politicalboi Jul 2012 #4
My Buddy Had A Pacer... KharmaTrain Jul 2012 #3
OMFG, I forgot the Pacer! jberryhill Jul 2012 #5
Didn't MOST cars from that time period suck? Odin2005 Jul 2012 #6
Many did jberryhill Jul 2012 #9
That time period included Mustang, Camaro, GTO, Plymouth Roadrunner, Valient, Dodge Charger and Dart yellowcanine Jul 2012 #25
It was the ownership by AMC that nearly killed Harley-Davidson jorno67 Jul 2012 #7
That was AMF,AMC tried to kill the Jeep name IADEMO2004 Jul 2012 #8
ah...you're right. jorno67 Jul 2012 #11
So should we hate him, or his son, for this? elleng Jul 2012 #10
Uh, please quote where I exhorted anyone to "hate" anything jberryhill Jul 2012 #14
You're right, you didn't 'exhort' anyone to hate. elleng Jul 2012 #16
"Otherwise, why post about him?" jberryhill Jul 2012 #17
Apologies accepted elleng Jul 2012 #20
Mitt came by it honestly, his father was a thief as well. Egalitarian Thug Jul 2012 #12
When George Romney was president of AMC they were making cars like this: Spider Jerusalem Jul 2012 #13
Thanks for clearing that up rurallib Jul 2012 #30
what bothers me is the term auto executive--he ran the damn company dembotoz Jul 2012 #15
My father had a 1960 Rambler American Station Wagon, possibly the worst car ever built 1-Old-Man Jul 2012 #18
"the windshield wipers were overpowered by a drizzle." Ha! Vacuum wipers! yellowcanine Jul 2012 #27
They also made the AMX which I would take any day...we can do this with any auto company snooper2 Jul 2012 #19
beautiful... Blue_Tires Jul 2012 #24
I had a 1971 Gremlin in 1980, and I loved it! Archae Jul 2012 #21
My AMC experience......I test drove a Javelin, AMC's "answer" to the Mustang and Camaro, around yellowcanine Jul 2012 #23
if he'd been a gm exec would that have been better? HiPointDem Jul 2012 #26
It just strikes me as odd that the actual company is never named in reportage jberryhill Jul 2012 #28
I've heard it mentioned a few times. xmas74 Jul 2012 #31
I had a Gremlin. drm604 Jul 2012 #29
AMC wasn't that bad. xmas74 Jul 2012 #32
I don't think most people would know what "AMC" stood for. Igel Jul 2012 #33
OT, but the rambler scrambler was a onethatcares Jul 2012 #34
I thought that was just short for "Automatically Executive". ieoeja Jul 2012 #35
And who can forget the zenith of AMC engineering DainBramaged Jul 2012 #36
 

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)
4. My dad had one of those
Thu Jul 5, 2012, 01:13 PM
Jul 2012

It was powder Blue with tuck and roll interior. Back in the day where $200.00 could get you a running car. I'm not sure what he paid for it. It was a nice car.

KharmaTrain

(31,706 posts)
3. My Buddy Had A Pacer...
Thu Jul 5, 2012, 01:13 PM
Jul 2012


We called it the rolling fishbowl. He had endless problems with the thing but managed to keep it on the road for 5 years until it rusted away...
 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
5. OMFG, I forgot the Pacer!
Thu Jul 5, 2012, 01:34 PM
Jul 2012

AMC provided the cars for the James Bond flick "Man With the Golden Gun". Aside from the hilarity of Thai police using Hornets to chase Bond's Javelin, the flying Matador:



Odin2005

(53,521 posts)
6. Didn't MOST cars from that time period suck?
Thu Jul 5, 2012, 01:40 PM
Jul 2012

That period is when domestic cars developed a reputation for bring junk that they are now starting to escape from.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
9. Many did
Thu Jul 5, 2012, 01:56 PM
Jul 2012

But AMC was head and shoulders above the crowd in the sucktastic department.

Sure, the Chevy Vega, Ford Pinto, and a roster of other cars were horrific, but the entire AMC product line was a cavalcade of lemons.

yellowcanine

(35,699 posts)
25. That time period included Mustang, Camaro, GTO, Plymouth Roadrunner, Valient, Dodge Charger and Dart
Thu Jul 5, 2012, 03:47 PM
Jul 2012

Most of those certainly didn't suck. There were issues around rusting out which the American car companies were very slow to fix but Japanese, German and French cars were just as bad on that score if not worse. Around 1972 with the half assed way many of the American auto companies met new emissions requirements, yes, many did suck in terms of performance, but still not at the level of AMC, which was just awful.

IADEMO2004

(5,555 posts)
8. That was AMF,AMC tried to kill the Jeep name
Thu Jul 5, 2012, 01:51 PM
Jul 2012

Square headlights for Gods sake. AMF that was the big mfg. for bowling stuff owned HD during the 70's. Very dark times

elleng

(130,974 posts)
10. So should we hate him, or his son, for this?
Thu Jul 5, 2012, 01:57 PM
Jul 2012


A little bit about George Romney:

Romney entered politics by participating in a state constitutional convention to rewrite the Michigan Constitution during 1961–1962. He was elected Governor of Michigan in 1962 and was re-elected by increasingly large margins in 1964 and 1966. Romney worked to overhaul the state's financial and revenue structure, culminating in Michigan's first state income tax, and greatly expanded the size of state government. Romney was a strong supporter of the American Civil Rights Movement. He briefly represented moderate Republicans against conservative Republican Barry Goldwater during the 1964 U.S. presidential election. He requested the intervention of federal troops during the 1967 Detroit riot.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_W._Romney
 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
14. Uh, please quote where I exhorted anyone to "hate" anything
Thu Jul 5, 2012, 02:10 PM
Jul 2012

It just strikes me as odd that AMC is never specifically mentioned as the "auto company" in question.

This mystifies me in connection with editorial policies generally. A lot of times, news stories omit the names of companies, and sometimes in contorted ways. The "fired lifeguard in Florida" story this week is unusual in that regard, and really stood out for actually naming the company in question.

I'm sorry that you find a musing on editorial choices to be a call to "hate" of some kind.

elleng

(130,974 posts)
16. You're right, you didn't 'exhort' anyone to hate.
Thu Jul 5, 2012, 02:43 PM
Jul 2012

You did, however, somehow leave the impression that whatever the father did, or didn't do, is an appropriate topic to consider, re: the current campaign. Otherwise, why post about him?

Editorial policies are pretty bad, generally, imo, and HEADLINES are among the worst! (Not relevant here, but Headlines happen to be in my radarscope at the moment.)

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
17. "Otherwise, why post about him?"
Thu Jul 5, 2012, 02:50 PM
Jul 2012

Because it happens to strike my "odd bone" that the company itself is never mentioned.

Please accept my deepest and most sincere apologies for having occupied your valuable time with my passing musing about having had the misfortune to have owned an AMC vehicle.

 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
12. Mitt came by it honestly, his father was a thief as well.
Thu Jul 5, 2012, 01:59 PM
Jul 2012

All of the auto executives at that time, exactly like today, were colluding to repress competition and suppress wages as their number one priority. Making cars & trucks was not even on a list of priorities. Busting unions was the paramount task for these parasites and it took them 50 years to accomplish.

rurallib

(62,423 posts)
30. Thanks for clearing that up
Thu Jul 5, 2012, 04:33 PM
Jul 2012

I don't think George Romney deserves criticism for some of those dogs of later years.
The Nash Rambler wasn't a totally bad little car.

dembotoz

(16,808 posts)
15. what bothers me is the term auto executive--he ran the damn company
Thu Jul 5, 2012, 02:15 PM
Jul 2012

must more than the term executive.....

had 2 hornets and a gremlin

loved em all

1-Old-Man

(2,667 posts)
18. My father had a 1960 Rambler American Station Wagon, possibly the worst car ever built
Thu Jul 5, 2012, 02:53 PM
Jul 2012

I believe it was the last car made in this country to have a flat-head engine, everyone else having given them up the preceding decade. The brakes failed, the transmission failed, it would not start when hot, it certainly would not start when cold. The rear end blew and the windshield wipers were overpowered by a drizzle. Romneymobile would have been a good name for it.

yellowcanine

(35,699 posts)
27. "the windshield wipers were overpowered by a drizzle." Ha! Vacuum wipers!
Thu Jul 5, 2012, 03:50 PM
Jul 2012

Of course Ford was still using them in 1960 also.

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
19. They also made the AMX which I would take any day...we can do this with any auto company
Thu Jul 5, 2012, 02:55 PM
Jul 2012

Kind of a thread fail but gives me a reason to post this sweet vid


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Archae

(46,337 posts)
21. I had a 1971 Gremlin in 1980, and I loved it!
Thu Jul 5, 2012, 03:05 PM
Jul 2012

Above all, it was easy to maintain, I could actually get under the hood to check the oil, change the plugs, (straight 6,) I even put in a new starter.

Sure it had zero back set legroom, but I never had anyone in the back seat anyway.

yellowcanine

(35,699 posts)
23. My AMC experience......I test drove a Javelin, AMC's "answer" to the Mustang and Camaro, around
Thu Jul 5, 2012, 03:36 PM
Jul 2012

1970. I wasn't going to buy it, just curious. In the course of the conversation with the salesman, came to find out that you had to pay more for electric wipers - vacuum wipers were standard. I nearly laughed in the poor guy's face. Anyone who has ever driven a car with vacuum wipers knows why - they stop when there is a big load on the engine - such as when one is going up hill. So it may be snowing or raining hard but too bad - if you are going up the mountain you can't see anything.

Later when I was working for USDA I drove an AMC Hornet sedan a couple of times. Apparently AMC got the fleet contract one year. I noticed the poor trim and also how underpowered it was. The term "lead sled" was invented for this car. When climbing a mountain the darn thing would shift up and down with a LOUD roar over and over again. The only solution was to drop it into second gear and roar all the way up the mountain. AMC achieved a modicum of credibility when it acquired Jeep in 1970. But tellingly when Chrysler bought AMC in 1987 (talk about the blind leading the blind) the only AMC brands which survived intact were the Jeep brands. (The AMC Eagle, a sort of 4WD Hornet/Jeep/Renault survived for a while as part of the Chrysler Division Jeep-Eagle I believe).

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
28. It just strikes me as odd that the actual company is never named in reportage
Thu Jul 5, 2012, 03:59 PM
Jul 2012

It's more of an observation of editorial practices.

drm604

(16,230 posts)
29. I had a Gremlin.
Thu Jul 5, 2012, 04:16 PM
Jul 2012

One day I had the hood open. I tried to close it and, instead of closing, it bent in half.

xmas74

(29,674 posts)
32. AMC wasn't that bad.
Thu Jul 5, 2012, 04:41 PM
Jul 2012

It was a good place to work, paid good wages, unionized, a place a worker could support a family. I grew up with AMC-people were proud to work there. When the plant was closed it did some major damage to an entire community.

Can't believe I'm defending a Romney but George wasn't the downfall of AMC. Lee Iaccoca was the person who ended that line. I have nothing good to say about what was done to the workers of AMC.

Igel

(35,320 posts)
33. I don't think most people would know what "AMC" stood for.
Thu Jul 5, 2012, 04:59 PM
Jul 2012

Or would care.

It's like saying "Packard" or "Nash." Or even "Studebaker."

Nice cars at one point, but there's a reason most of the dead brands are dead.

Too much detail detracts from message.

onethatcares

(16,172 posts)
34. OT, but the rambler scrambler was a
Thu Jul 5, 2012, 05:09 PM
Jul 2012

Last edited Thu Jul 5, 2012, 06:46 PM - Edit history (1)

balls to the wall fast machine.

I owned a rambler ambassador four door beast that tossed timing chains on a whim.

All the Pacers, AMXs, Javelins, scramblers and hornets are getting very hard to find, in any condition.

 

ieoeja

(9,748 posts)
35. I thought that was just short for "Automatically Executive".
Thu Jul 5, 2012, 05:20 PM
Jul 2012

Sort of like the last Republican president whose first job was Oil Company President. Though he did manage to work his way up from those humble beginnings.


DainBramaged

(39,191 posts)
36. And who can forget the zenith of AMC engineering
Thu Jul 5, 2012, 06:28 PM
Jul 2012



I disagree. I lived in this era. I had a friend that had a slightly modified AMX in the 11's in 1971. And the Hurst S/C Rambler, one of the best $2995 muscle cars ever made.


http://musclecars.howstuffworks.com/classic-muscle-cars/1969-amc-hurst-sc-rambler.htm
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