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(8,055 posts)FakeNoose
(32,826 posts)... is that the artists at Time and Mad Magazines are both referencing the same generic photo of the Kremlin.
I do see the resemblance between the two. These artists all use photo archives for their inspiration and maybe borrow a little for the setup. But it's not exactly copying another artist's work, that would be copyright infringement. The reference material was probably the same for both cover designs.
Just sayin'
pangaia
(24,324 posts)FakeNoose
(32,826 posts)Thanks for proving my point.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)malaise
(269,225 posts)TexasProgresive
(12,160 posts)has be in a lot of political cartoons already. It just may be a case of great minds thinking alike.
on the other hand. seeing that MAD came up with it before the Russian-in-chief was sworn in may be the originator of all the Kremlin White House images.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)TexasProgresive
(12,160 posts)With the Kremlin.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)Having spent a good amount of time in St Petersburg and Moscow(mostly St Petersburg), I can get picky about things like that.
Actually, my favorite church in that area is the Cathedral of the Annunciation which IS inside the Kremlin walls. Some/many of the icons were painted by Andrei Rublev.
If you haven't been to Moscow and ever have a chance to go, I highly recommend this cathedral.
sarge43
(28,946 posts)luvMIdog
(2,533 posts)WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)secondwind
(16,903 posts)luvMIdog
(2,533 posts)that represent America. The White House is viewed as a symbol of America and American laws. It's a go to symbol to use.
justiceischeap
(14,040 posts)It is, of course, very similar but Time took it further with the (dripping?) bricks and a different angle.
But, yeah, even though it's a derivative they still ripped Mad off.
That said, I can't remember the last time I saw a cover of Mad magazine so it could be an honest mistake.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)justiceischeap
(14,040 posts)explaining the concept.
onetexan
(13,071 posts)derivative facts, alternative facts, who cares?
justiceischeap
(14,040 posts)Is that there is nothing original--it's all derivative of something that's already been done.
There was a case not too long ago where one photog sued another photog because the one photog used the images from the other to create "new" photos. The original photog lost because the "new" works were considered derivatives.
None who are creative like it but we also know it's a fact of the industry.
keithbvadu2
(36,964 posts)WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)Boomer
(4,170 posts)The Russian White House imagery is low-hanging fruit for any political cartoonist. It practically draws itself.
obvious.
cbdo2007
(9,213 posts)and had them each come up with a handful of ideas, I would bet 7 out of 10 would come up with this same idea.
MiniMe
(21,721 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(49,052 posts)I'd bet there is a political cartoon out there by a major cartoonist earlier than the Mad cover.
Don't know when this one was:
Historic NY
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n2doc
(47,953 posts)Last edited Fri May 19, 2017, 08:50 AM - Edit history (1)
Who ripped off whom?
Again, many minds think alike
(corrected for proper date)
I see cartoons with multiple versions of the same idea on a regular basis. I don't think they are plagiarizing each other.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)muriel_volestrangler
(101,391 posts)n2doc
(47,953 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(49,052 posts)5-11-16 is May 11 American style, and 11 November in some other countries. Dates like "Fourth of July" are the exception that proves the rule. Again, American exceptionalism; the USA is the only country in the world to use Month-Day-Year style.
There is a simple obvious unambiguous format that also is ideal for the digital age because it fits with time-stamps and sorts properly!
2016-11-5 is 2016, November 5th.
2016-05-11 / 19:13:26 is May 11 at 7:13 pm and 26 seconds.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)Renew Deal
(81,883 posts)k8conant
(3,030 posts)Comic Riffs Perspective
By Michael Cavna May 19 at 8:20 AM
3catwoman3
(24,072 posts)It is St. Basil's Catherdral.
Rhiannon12866
(206,332 posts)And is an iconic Russian image that most people would recognize. The Kremlin is actually the fortress that surrounds Red Square - it's pretty much a wall.
3catwoman3
(24,072 posts)Last edited Sat May 20, 2017, 10:42 AM - Edit history (1)
In the summer of 1981, during a break in my nursing master's program, I took a 2 week health care related tour of 5 different republics in the then-USSR. We started in Moscow, staying at the massive 4000 room Hotel Rossiya.
It was rather sobering to stand in the middle of Red Square and look up at the massive red stars mounted on the walls of that famous structure that has such negative associations for Americans.
I think it is important to be properly informed. Trump is giving the rest of the world enough to laugh at with his ignorance and lack of culture -ne kulturny. Many of his followers could qualify as classic Ugly Americans. Those of us who do not fit that mold should not, IMO, give any further fuel to that reputation by misidentifying St. Basil's as the Kremlin.
We would probably roll our eyes at anyone who didn't know the difference between, say, the Pentagon and the Washington monument.