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Did Time Magazine Rip Off Mad Magazine? (Original Post) blue-wave May 2017 OP
Apparently so! Mme. Defarge May 2017 #1
What's more likely FakeNoose May 2017 #29
Except that is not the Kremlin. It is St Basil Cathedral. pangaia May 2017 #30
My point is that there are very few photos available FakeNoose May 2017 #33
But, it is NOT the Kremlin. There are a gazillion photos of the Kremlin. And a gazillion of St Basil pangaia May 2017 #34
Yes n/t malaise May 2017 #2
That image of the Kremlin skyline superimposed on the WH TexasProgresive May 2017 #3
As I mentioned above, that is not the Kremlin. It is St Basil Cathedral. pangaia May 2017 #31
I know that, but most associate the domes TexasProgresive May 2017 #38
Don't mind me. I can be a smart ass all too often. pangaia May 2017 #39
If you must steal, steal from the best. n/t sarge43 May 2017 #4
I don't think it was intentional. Kind of one of the first things you think of really luvMIdog May 2017 #5
Hmmmmmm. WinkyDink May 2017 #10
I agree.. I think it is a follow-up to the first one, if you were to look at them together. secondwind May 2017 #13
Yeah if you are going to illustrate America being taken over you are going to do it with symbols.. luvMIdog May 2017 #14
In the design world this would be called a derivative justiceischeap May 2017 #6
Derivative? It's the plagiarizing kid who changed one word! WinkyDink May 2017 #9
I'm not saying I agree with derivatives, I'm just justiceischeap May 2017 #11
derivative sounds alot like "alternative" onetexan May 2017 #16
It's a pretty much accepted fact in design and the arts justiceischeap May 2017 #18
Would the Donald call it "Sad"? keithbvadu2 May 2017 #7
Seems pretty obvious to me. Perhaps TIME thinks the readerships are different? Not here! WinkyDink May 2017 #8
Maybe, maybe not Boomer May 2017 #12
yup. mopinko May 2017 #24
That's what I was thinking...If you gave this assignment to a group of intelligent, funny people... cbdo2007 May 2017 #37
What, me Worry? MiniMe May 2017 #15
. rug May 2017 #19
I'm sure you can find something that predates the Mad magazine. Bernardo de La Paz May 2017 #17
more than a few... Historic NY May 2017 #20
November 5, 2016 n2doc May 2017 #21
Wow, really? I guess many minds DO think alike. Sad that it's a truthful rendering. nt Honeycombe8 May 2017 #23
5th November (Australia uses day-month-year dating) muriel_volestrangler May 2017 #26
corrected. Thanks n/t n2doc May 2017 #27
Perhaps May 11, 2016. Those dates are always ambiguous. Bernardo de La Paz May 2017 #36
Sure looks like it. nt Honeycombe8 May 2017 #22
At some point it becomes obvious Renew Deal May 2017 #25
WaPo: Sure, Time magazines bold new Trump cover is a totally tired cliche. Should that matter? k8conant May 2017 #28
That is NOT the Kremlin. 3catwoman3 May 2017 #32
It is at the far end of Red Square, though Rhiannon12866 May 2017 #40
I know. I have walked thru Red Square myself. 3catwoman3 May 2017 #41
Eh...both thinking the same thing. WORKS FOR ME!! n/t Bengus81 May 2017 #35

FakeNoose

(32,826 posts)
29. What's more likely
Fri May 19, 2017, 08:55 AM
May 2017

... is that the artists at Time and Mad Magazines are both referencing the same generic photo of the Kremlin.

I do see the resemblance between the two. These artists all use photo archives for their inspiration and maybe borrow a little for the setup. But it's not exactly copying another artist's work, that would be copyright infringement. The reference material was probably the same for both cover designs.

Just sayin'



pangaia

(24,324 posts)
34. But, it is NOT the Kremlin. There are a gazillion photos of the Kremlin. And a gazillion of St Basil
Fri May 19, 2017, 09:16 AM
May 2017



TexasProgresive

(12,160 posts)
3. That image of the Kremlin skyline superimposed on the WH
Fri May 19, 2017, 06:40 AM
May 2017

has be in a lot of political cartoons already. It just may be a case of great minds thinking alike.

on the other hand. seeing that MAD came up with it before the Russian-in-chief was sworn in may be the originator of all the Kremlin White House images.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
39. Don't mind me. I can be a smart ass all too often.
Fri May 19, 2017, 05:23 PM
May 2017

Having spent a good amount of time in St Petersburg and Moscow(mostly St Petersburg), I can get picky about things like that.

Actually, my favorite church in that area is the Cathedral of the Annunciation which IS inside the Kremlin walls. Some/many of the icons were painted by Andrei Rublev.

If you haven't been to Moscow and ever have a chance to go, I highly recommend this cathedral.

luvMIdog

(2,533 posts)
14. Yeah if you are going to illustrate America being taken over you are going to do it with symbols..
Fri May 19, 2017, 07:44 AM
May 2017

that represent America. The White House is viewed as a symbol of America and American laws. It's a go to symbol to use.

justiceischeap

(14,040 posts)
6. In the design world this would be called a derivative
Fri May 19, 2017, 07:23 AM
May 2017

It is, of course, very similar but Time took it further with the (dripping?) bricks and a different angle.

But, yeah, even though it's a derivative they still ripped Mad off.

That said, I can't remember the last time I saw a cover of Mad magazine so it could be an honest mistake.

justiceischeap

(14,040 posts)
18. It's a pretty much accepted fact in design and the arts
Fri May 19, 2017, 07:57 AM
May 2017

Is that there is nothing original--it's all derivative of something that's already been done.

There was a case not too long ago where one photog sued another photog because the one photog used the images from the other to create "new" photos. The original photog lost because the "new" works were considered derivatives.

None who are creative like it but we also know it's a fact of the industry.

Boomer

(4,170 posts)
12. Maybe, maybe not
Fri May 19, 2017, 07:39 AM
May 2017

The Russian White House imagery is low-hanging fruit for any political cartoonist. It practically draws itself.

cbdo2007

(9,213 posts)
37. That's what I was thinking...If you gave this assignment to a group of intelligent, funny people...
Fri May 19, 2017, 09:50 AM
May 2017

and had them each come up with a handful of ideas, I would bet 7 out of 10 would come up with this same idea.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,052 posts)
17. I'm sure you can find something that predates the Mad magazine.
Fri May 19, 2017, 07:55 AM
May 2017

I'd bet there is a political cartoon out there by a major cartoonist earlier than the Mad cover.

Don't know when this one was:



n2doc

(47,953 posts)
21. November 5, 2016
Fri May 19, 2017, 08:13 AM
May 2017

Last edited Fri May 19, 2017, 08:50 AM - Edit history (1)



Who ripped off whom?

Again, many minds think alike

(corrected for proper date)

I see cartoons with multiple versions of the same idea on a regular basis. I don't think they are plagiarizing each other.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,052 posts)
36. Perhaps May 11, 2016. Those dates are always ambiguous.
Fri May 19, 2017, 09:40 AM
May 2017

5-11-16 is May 11 American style, and 11 November in some other countries. Dates like "Fourth of July" are the exception that proves the rule. Again, American exceptionalism; the USA is the only country in the world to use Month-Day-Year style.

There is a simple obvious unambiguous format that also is ideal for the digital age because it fits with time-stamps and sorts properly!

2016-11-5 is 2016, November 5th.

2016-05-11 / 19:13:26 is May 11 at 7:13 pm and 26 seconds.

Rhiannon12866

(206,332 posts)
40. It is at the far end of Red Square, though
Sat May 20, 2017, 04:50 AM
May 2017

And is an iconic Russian image that most people would recognize. The Kremlin is actually the fortress that surrounds Red Square - it's pretty much a wall.

3catwoman3

(24,072 posts)
41. I know. I have walked thru Red Square myself.
Sat May 20, 2017, 09:46 AM
May 2017

Last edited Sat May 20, 2017, 10:42 AM - Edit history (1)

In the summer of 1981, during a break in my nursing master's program, I took a 2 week health care related tour of 5 different republics in the then-USSR. We started in Moscow, staying at the massive 4000 room Hotel Rossiya.

It was rather sobering to stand in the middle of Red Square and look up at the massive red stars mounted on the walls of that famous structure that has such negative associations for Americans.

I think it is important to be properly informed. Trump is giving the rest of the world enough to laugh at with his ignorance and lack of culture -ne kulturny. Many of his followers could qualify as classic Ugly Americans. Those of us who do not fit that mold should not, IMO, give any further fuel to that reputation by misidentifying St. Basil's as the Kremlin.

We would probably roll our eyes at anyone who didn't know the difference between, say, the Pentagon and the Washington monument.

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