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melm00se

(4,993 posts)
Fri May 26, 2017, 08:21 AM May 2017

The debacle in Montana

with Candidate (now Representative-elect) Chucklehead should open up a discussion on early voting.

As I pointed out in another thread, ~250,000 ballots were cast before he had his meltdown (which certainly affected at least some of the ballots cast on voting day).

This begs the question:

Do the benefits of early voting offset the ability (and some say duty) to observe the candidates while they are under the most stress during the last few days of an election?

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The debacle in Montana (Original Post) melm00se May 2017 OP
Certainly A Double-Edged Sword.....nt global1 May 2017 #1
What's wrong with encouraging more people to vote? yardwork May 2017 #2
nothing wrong with it, melm00se May 2017 #4
Well, why didn't they realize what a jerk the candidate was before? yardwork May 2017 #7
I haven't followed this melm00se May 2017 #9
Being Republican would be a huge warning sign to me. yardwork May 2017 #17
They ran a Bernie type Democrat...who was never going to win in red Montana. Demsrule86 May 2017 #22
It could be a national holiday. There doesn't have to be long lines Tom Rinaldo May 2017 #5
The benifits of early voting need to stay put. The only ones who truly would like to see Bengus81 May 2017 #3
The benefits infinitely outweigh the costs DefenseLawyer May 2017 #6
I like early voting, it allows more people time to vote. Blue_true May 2017 #8
Early voting is great and both candidates know when it starts. NCTraveler May 2017 #10
That is typical in many states... Wounded Bear May 2017 #13
Yet I'm seeing a number of people here questioning if we should end it. nt. NCTraveler May 2017 #14
Reactionism.... Wounded Bear May 2017 #15
Well, Gianforte is up for re-election in '18... Wounded Bear May 2017 #11
He believes Social Security is against the Bible leftstreet May 2017 #12
Agreed. He was not going to lose any significant support Caliman73 May 2017 #16
That was my point upthread. yardwork May 2017 #18
Simple solution: Allow people who voted early to vote in-person later. GBizzle May 2017 #19
Too complicated. Demsrule86 May 2017 #21
How? I believe Pennsylvania already does it, and it works fine. GBizzle May 2017 #23
PA does not have early voting or no excuse absentee voting. Demsrule86 May 2017 #24
Yes the benefits offset the occasional late surprise...and I believe the GOP would have won no Demsrule86 May 2017 #20

yardwork

(61,650 posts)
2. What's wrong with encouraging more people to vote?
Fri May 26, 2017, 08:26 AM
May 2017

Requiring everybody to drive to the polls and stand in long lines on a single weekday - when many of those most affected by elections are at work and/or have childcare or family care obligations - is undemocratic.

Providing multiple ways to vote over a period of weeks leading up to Election Day allows more people to use their constitutional right to vote. It makes our democracy stronger by allowing more citizens to participate.

melm00se

(4,993 posts)
4. nothing wrong with it,
Fri May 26, 2017, 08:35 AM
May 2017

in fact its a great thing but, as in the case of the Montana special election, all those voters committed themselves before the great Montana meltdown occurred.

According to one report, the Montana Elections folks were getting hit with calls asking if early voters (mainly mail ins) could change their votes (they couldn't once the mailers were received).

yardwork

(61,650 posts)
7. Well, why didn't they realize what a jerk the candidate was before?
Fri May 26, 2017, 08:49 AM
May 2017

It's as if somebody was ignoring all the warning signs about Trump until one last thing happened the day of the election.

melm00se

(4,993 posts)
9. I haven't followed this
Fri May 26, 2017, 11:01 AM
May 2017

race (or candidate) closely so I don't know if there were any obvious (or semi obvious) warning signs.

Demsrule86

(68,586 posts)
22. They ran a Bernie type Democrat...who was never going to win in red Montana.
Fri May 26, 2017, 05:21 PM
May 2017

Montana elected a Democratic governor and with the right candidate we could win in 18...Quist wasn't the right candidate. I never though he would win...all this mess with the 2016 election has lead to chaos at the DNC and to a lesser extent the DCCC...need to end and let's get to work fielding appropriate candidates...we have to take the House and the Senate while more difficult would shut down Trumps packing of SCOTUS. Those who think a liberal candidate can win in red state are foolish...and those groups who primary sitting Democrats should be starved of cash and ignored.

Tom Rinaldo

(22,913 posts)
5. It could be a national holiday. There doesn't have to be long lines
Fri May 26, 2017, 08:38 AM
May 2017

Lines are a function of not building in enough capacity to efficiently service demand. That can be remedied if there were the will to do so - more competently staffed polling stations. Polls open at 6:00AM and close at 9:00PM for major elections in New York State. If that was in place nationally, and election day was declared a National Holiday there would not be crowded lines waiting before and after work for the minority of people who still have to work on a holiday and need to vote either before or after their shifts.

Yes this is only theoretical given the Republican voter disenfranchisement mind set. So for now, practically speaking, I reluctantly support early voting.

Bengus81

(6,931 posts)
3. The benifits of early voting need to stay put. The only ones who truly would like to see
Fri May 26, 2017, 08:29 AM
May 2017

that go away would be Republicans. It was too late in Montana but that doesn't mean those living there OUTRAGED by this BS can't now speak out loudly that their vote was wasted on this THUG.

 

DefenseLawyer

(11,101 posts)
6. The benefits infinitely outweigh the costs
Fri May 26, 2017, 08:42 AM
May 2017

Giving more people, especially working people, the opportunity to vote, is far more important than safeguarding against a wing nut candidate having a meltdown on the day before the election. Now, if Republicans committing felonies the day before elections becomes commonplace (and it could) I might rethink my position.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
8. I like early voting, it allows more people time to vote.
Fri May 26, 2017, 09:47 AM
May 2017

A Democratic Governor defeated that knucklehead under the same system. Maybe we need to field more appealing candidates who can stay close in red states during the early voting so that once the republican blows up, the republican Pat's for the blowup.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
10. Early voting is great and both candidates know when it starts.
Fri May 26, 2017, 11:03 AM
May 2017

They have the opportunity to campaign appropriately. What if he would have pulled this move the day after the election. Would we then be discussing "late voting"?

It's also my understanding that Quist was either ahead or tied in early voting. That means he lost on voting day big.

We need to have better candidates across the board. Assessing an election after the fact on the merits of your opponent, instead of your own merits, is a fools game.

Wounded Bear

(58,670 posts)
13. That is typical in many states...
Fri May 26, 2017, 11:07 AM
May 2017

early voting tends to favor Dems, while Repubs often make up the difference on election day.

That's why the Repubs in Montana tried to block the mail in voting at first.

Wounded Bear

(58,670 posts)
15. Reactionism....
Fri May 26, 2017, 11:13 AM
May 2017

singular events lead some people to make snap judgements on issues that require more introspection.

The internet has not improved that common human trait.

In the long term, and for the most part, early voting is a plus. Not just for Dems, but for democracy.

leftstreet

(36,109 posts)
12. He believes Social Security is against the Bible
Fri May 26, 2017, 11:07 AM
May 2017

He is against abortion

He opposes same sex marriage

He thinks the earth is 10k years old

Why would punching a reporter (deemed an Enemy of The People by Trump) cause his supporters to change their votes?



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greg_Gianforte

Caliman73

(11,738 posts)
16. Agreed. He was not going to lose any significant support
Fri May 26, 2017, 11:17 AM
May 2017

His supporters probably take in their media from the right wing where the assault was down played or the reporter was made to look like the aggressor.

Early voting is only useful for people who have already made up their minds and like the convenience of not having to travel to the polls. We should look to expand voting in every single way, not restrict it, especially not for fluke reasons.

 

GBizzle

(209 posts)
19. Simple solution: Allow people who voted early to vote in-person later.
Fri May 26, 2017, 04:47 PM
May 2017

Their in-person vote would cancel out the mailed vote, if they happened to change their minds.

I believe some places already do this.

 

GBizzle

(209 posts)
23. How? I believe Pennsylvania already does it, and it works fine.
Fri May 26, 2017, 05:26 PM
May 2017

People were literally calling the Registrar's office after the assault, asking if they could change their votes.

This solves that problem.

Demsrule86

(68,586 posts)
24. PA does not have early voting or no excuse absentee voting.
Fri May 26, 2017, 05:30 PM
May 2017

So it does not solve the problem...we need to keep things simple. Quist was a bad choice...early voting is good...leave it be...no need to stop something that works for us for this election which even if there was no early voting would have gone to the GOP...Quist was a bad candidate for that state.

Demsrule86

(68,586 posts)
20. Yes the benefits offset the occasional late surprise...and I believe the GOP would have won no
Fri May 26, 2017, 05:15 PM
May 2017

matter what...A democrat was elected governor in 2016 and a moderate Democratic candidate should have run for this seat...Quist was never going to win.

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