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If you don't understand that antisemitism is behind the current acceptance of violence against (Original Post) TeamPooka May 2017 OP
I think this is more relevant.... steve2470 May 2017 #1
For a large section of Red America the word "Media" equals "Jewish" TeamPooka May 2017 #2
hmm....good point nt steve2470 May 2017 #3
Well that explains a lot! RWs believe that TheDebbieDee May 2017 #13
The media, academia and Hollywood are synonymous with Jews to them.... bettyellen May 2017 #4
I knew about bankers, that's the most infamous one steve2470 May 2017 #7
Seriously? They believe Jews are at the heart of the liberal conspiracy to erode morals and educate bettyellen May 2017 #11
yes, seriously steve2470 May 2017 #14
You weren't raised to be aware of the bigotry- it escaped your notice. I'm grateful bettyellen May 2017 #16
Most people don't understand anti-Semitism, which explains the issue you describe. Behind the Aegis May 2017 #5
+1 leftstreet May 2017 #6
That is correct and that's why wanted to point this out TeamPooka May 2017 #8
I am glad you did. Behind the Aegis May 2017 #24
as I said in my other post, I was not aware of the infamous stereotypes except the banker one steve2470 May 2017 #9
Like the banker stereotype, the media stereotype is also steeped in history. Behind the Aegis May 2017 #12
ah, thank you for that very informative post, BtA steve2470 May 2017 #15
You are welcome. Behind the Aegis May 2017 #19
thanks, will read it now! nt steve2470 May 2017 #20
Another thing people don't understand is that non practicing/secular jews can m-lekktor May 2017 #18
Bigno-bango! Behind the Aegis May 2017 #21
"and others dismissed it because he is a white man, and that he was also a minority was a problem m-lekktor May 2017 #28
Hitler didn't spare secular Jews unblock May 2017 #26
nope he sure didn't! nt m-lekktor May 2017 #27
Of course the GOP would be dog whistling the anti Semitic had he been the nominee- bettyellen May 2017 #29
I believe that. nt m-lekktor May 2017 #30
This is who we need for a reporter ProudLib72 May 2017 #10
I disagree. I think it is as simple as the "Fake news!" cries, And "Liberal" doesn't equate to WinkyDink May 2017 #17
Like Obama was called a "secret Muslim", so have both your examples been called "secret Jews". Behind the Aegis May 2017 #23
In NYC Jews were always always equated with liberal/ educated/ media elitist.... bettyellen May 2017 #25
and look at often Hollywood is attacked over the same issues because the town and industry was TeamPooka May 2017 #31
Diversity matter because I'd have zero awareness if I didn't know and talk to Jews about this shit! bettyellen May 2017 #32
Complexity is difficult to comprehend by humans. This applies to hater and those saying haters. L. Coyote May 2017 #22

TeamPooka

(24,229 posts)
2. For a large section of Red America the word "Media" equals "Jewish"
Fri May 26, 2017, 02:35 PM
May 2017

So when Trump calls them the enemy of the people it just goes along with the hate they already have.

 

TheDebbieDee

(11,119 posts)
13. Well that explains a lot! RWs believe that
Fri May 26, 2017, 03:07 PM
May 2017

Jews control US media - I had never put it together like that before!

I need to research my WWII history abt the German press...

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
4. The media, academia and Hollywood are synonymous with Jews to them....
Fri May 26, 2017, 02:37 PM
May 2017

just like bankers have been for centuries. I'm surprised anyone missed that.

steve2470

(37,457 posts)
7. I knew about bankers, that's the most infamous one
Fri May 26, 2017, 02:44 PM
May 2017

The rest I was not aware of. I'm actually happy I was not aware of the media, academia and Hollywood stereotypes, but now my ignorance has been relieved.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
11. Seriously? They believe Jews are at the heart of the liberal conspiracy to erode morals and educate
Fri May 26, 2017, 03:04 PM
May 2017

people! Think about their distain for the professional class- people who get extra educated and do well without taking short cuts, play nice with others, think for themselves and are generous and creative. (Only "hard work" - with muscles, should be rewarded) They despise everything about that - it's part of what Donald represents to them- that ignorance and greed are good. They fucking hate anyone generous or intellectual and successful- they want to bully them into loserdom.

steve2470

(37,457 posts)
14. yes, seriously
Fri May 26, 2017, 03:07 PM
May 2017

I'm obviously ignorant about anti-semitism. I wasn't raised to be bigoted towards Jewish people. I know a lot about Nazis, but they talked about bankers, from what I remember.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
16. You weren't raised to be aware of the bigotry- it escaped your notice. I'm grateful
Fri May 26, 2017, 03:11 PM
May 2017

to have been raised in a really diverse area where such issues are raised and discussed instead of ignored. It's harder when it's your friends and neighbors being demonized. You don't join in with the derision of microagressions when you realize they are the background noise we have to live with.

Behind the Aegis

(53,959 posts)
5. Most people don't understand anti-Semitism, which explains the issue you describe.
Fri May 26, 2017, 02:38 PM
May 2017

Anti-Semitism is one of the only "core" bigotries which often gets a pass because it is so misunderstood and most people have no knowledge as to the reality of anti-Semitism. The profound ignorance which surrounds anti-Semitism is actually, IMO, quite staggering and bewildering, given the long, well-documented, and blatant history of it.

leftstreet

(36,108 posts)
6. +1
Fri May 26, 2017, 02:42 PM
May 2017

Well said

And for too many people, WWII movies not only explain anti-Semitism but also prove it's something from the past

Behind the Aegis

(53,959 posts)
24. I am glad you did.
Fri May 26, 2017, 03:30 PM
May 2017

As you will see, many don't like anti-Semitism to even be discussed, much less elevated to a "serious" problem.

steve2470

(37,457 posts)
9. as I said in my other post, I was not aware of the infamous stereotypes except the banker one
Fri May 26, 2017, 02:46 PM
May 2017

Now I've been educated. I'm happy to be a non-bigot, but yes, it's good to be educated!

Behind the Aegis

(53,959 posts)
12. Like the banker stereotype, the media stereotype is also steeped in history.
Fri May 26, 2017, 03:05 PM
May 2017

In case you don't know why the "banker" is associated with Jews, it goes back to the Middle Ages and usury laws. Though, the "cheap Jew" and "money grubbing Jew" goes back as far as Rome. As for the "media Jew", that is a bit newer on the history timeline. Jews were prohibited from holding certain jobs, so many started their own businesses, one such business was newspapers. Eventually a few Jews made it big, and when any minority makes it big, even if there are only a few of them, then a stereotype is born. The "Hollywood Jew" came about when Jews started investing in, directing, and producing movies, again, because they weren't allowed in certain fields, and this was a field without hiring regulations and restrictions. The lack of opportunity forced many Jews to make their own opportunities, and in doing so, especially when they succeeded, many assigned a nefarious reason to their success...thus was born, "the Jews run the media".

ETA: Jews are also associated with liberals, communists, socialists, and other so-called "malcontents". The Civil Rights movement is "blamed" on the Jews, not just in this country, but elsewhere as well. We are accused of pushing social movements in order to "overthrow" current governments.

steve2470

(37,457 posts)
15. ah, thank you for that very informative post, BtA
Fri May 26, 2017, 03:10 PM
May 2017

As I said in another post, I know a lot about WW2 Nazis but my memory only recalled them lambasting bankers.

Behind the Aegis

(53,959 posts)
19. You are welcome.
Fri May 26, 2017, 03:20 PM
May 2017

If interested, you can read Anti-Semitism: One Jew's perspective about recent events (long read), which is something I wrote a few months back. I have actually studied anti-Semitism, and done scads of presentations at universities on the topic, so it isn't just because I am Jewish that "I know" anti-Semitism; I have actually studied it.

m-lekktor

(3,675 posts)
18. Another thing people don't understand is that non practicing/secular jews can
Fri May 26, 2017, 03:17 PM
May 2017

STILL be on the receiving end of antisemitism as well. I saw people here on DU claim no way Bernie Sanders could be the victim of antisemitism because he is non practicing or an atheist.

Behind the Aegis

(53,959 posts)
21. Bigno-bango!
Fri May 26, 2017, 03:24 PM
May 2017

I think many don't understand anti-Semitism because they don't understand what "Jewish" means. Unlike almost all other religions, Jewish can indicate an ethnicity. It would have been easier if at some point in history it was "Hebrew" for the ethnic designation, and "Jewish" for the religion, but that didn't happen. Frankly, some people dismissed the anti-Semitism because they, themselves, are anti-Semites, and others dismissed it because he is a white man, and that he was also a minority was a problem for them.

m-lekktor

(3,675 posts)
28. "and others dismissed it because he is a white man, and that he was also a minority was a problem
Fri May 26, 2017, 04:07 PM
May 2017

for them." yeah that would tend to detract from the "spin" of how his primary opponents tried to portray him.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
29. Of course the GOP would be dog whistling the anti Semitic had he been the nominee-
Fri May 26, 2017, 05:14 PM
May 2017

I'm surprised people didn't realize that would have been a big thing in the general- they're shameless! They would have done it and hid behind Ivanka and Jared for cover.

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
10. This is who we need for a reporter
Fri May 26, 2017, 02:48 PM
May 2017

Bill Goldberg: http://www.beliefnet.com/entertainment/2001/11/big-not-so-bad-bill-goldberg.aspx

Have you ever encountered anti-Semitism as a wrestler or in the NFL?

I have never, ever, received any taunts or any form of anti-Semitism. And I suppose being a Jewish football player with the Atlanta Falcons was no different than being a Baptist football player with the Atlanta Falcons. But in the back of your mind, you always expect something to happen. You know, when you run out of the tunnel as Goldberg in front of thousands of deep-rooted Southern fans who traditionally might not be quite so accepting of someone of my background. But people are often surprised when I say I’ve not experienced anti-Semitism.

Then again, you’re built like a house.

[Laughs.] Well, yes, that may have something to do with it, too.


 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
17. I disagree. I think it is as simple as the "Fake news!" cries, And "Liberal" doesn't equate to
Fri May 26, 2017, 03:13 PM
May 2017

"Jewish."

Hillary isn't. Kerry isn't.

But the Kushners are.

Behind the Aegis

(53,959 posts)
23. Like Obama was called a "secret Muslim", so have both your examples been called "secret Jews".
Fri May 26, 2017, 03:28 PM
May 2017

Google.

The stereotype in play ISN'T who is and isn't a Jew, but rather the bigoted belief that Jews CONTROL the media, and attacks on "liberal media" usually has an anti-Semitic undertone to it.

(On a side note, I REALLY miss italics and bold. )

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
25. In NYC Jews were always always equated with liberal/ educated/ media elitist....
Fri May 26, 2017, 03:45 PM
May 2017

And the WASP elite always made sure they realized they were just there to educate and entertain. It's always been a noticeable thing. I'm surprised people are unaware- is it becasue they didn't grow up around Jews or notice the endless references about their culture? Anyone growing up in NYC will tell you the same.

TeamPooka

(24,229 posts)
31. and look at often Hollywood is attacked over the same issues because the town and industry was
Fri May 26, 2017, 09:00 PM
May 2017

actually founded by Jewish immigrants seeking a better life in an industry that was not shut to them entering.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
32. Diversity matter because I'd have zero awareness if I didn't know and talk to Jews about this shit!
Fri May 26, 2017, 11:56 PM
May 2017

Stereotypes don't dissolve without airing them out.

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
22. Complexity is difficult to comprehend by humans. This applies to hater and those saying haters.
Fri May 26, 2017, 03:27 PM
May 2017

If only we could simplify things, but we delude ourselves when we do. Life isn't simple.

Othering is a far more useful simplification than antisemitism. There is us and there are 'others' is one of the worst of false simplifications. There are no races, just humans with limitations in their ability to understand the world and a tendency to try to simply the world to accomplish that.

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