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nbsmom

(591 posts)
Sun May 28, 2017, 08:22 PM May 2017

Does anyone know if there's a Dem plan to make sure all the votes are counted in 2018?

Looked at the DNC site, and didn't see anything, even on the voting rights page.

I also cannot understand how after 2000, 2004, and 2016, we still have this horrible, vulnerable process.

I have already contributed to Let America Vote, but was wondering if the party was going to be proactive in time for 2018.







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Does anyone know if there's a Dem plan to make sure all the votes are counted in 2018? (Original Post) nbsmom May 2017 OP
Nope, we go through this every election. When Obama won in 08 he said something onecaliberal May 2017 #1
Nope the DNC acts like the barn door to state and local electoral systems are sealed shut uponit7771 May 2017 #2
Yeah because the DNC has so much power over state elections, Demsrule86 May 2017 #8
I agree they have little power but they have open forums to talk about stolen elections uponit7771 May 2017 #11
And what exactly will all this talk accomplish? Demsrule86 May 2017 #12
Attention to the fact that none of the gop wins are legitimate uponit7771 May 2017 #13
They know that in my state. It's discussed. wildeyed May 2017 #15
Which is meaningless at the moment. No one cares in general. Demsrule86 May 2017 #18
What do you suggest? wildeyed May 2017 #3
how about at least publicizing the issue? when they show by their inaction that election integrity i TheFrenchRazor May 2017 #6
And in both of those cases the Democratic party was betrayed by the so called far left and greens. Demsrule86 May 2017 #9
You can't make the media cover important stories if they don't generate clicks. wildeyed May 2017 #14
I was very encouraged. And there is a gerrymander bill making it's way to SCOTUS with Demsrule86 May 2017 #19
What about Jill stein's millions alwaysinflux May 2017 #4
it sure doesn't look like it; if they haven't learned since 2000, they never will. nt TheFrenchRazor May 2017 #5
If Stein voters and malcontents haven't learned anything since 2000 they never will. Demsrule86 May 2017 #10
And exactly how can they do that? States run elections. Demsrule86 May 2017 #7
This incredible ignorance about how the system works is frustrating. wildeyed May 2017 #16
Texas too...I know these people have unreal expectations that can never be met and then Demsrule86 May 2017 #17
What votes weren't counted last time? brooklynite May 2017 #20
There is at least 50000 voting district run by states and staffed by volunteers. CK_John May 2017 #21

onecaliberal

(32,863 posts)
1. Nope, we go through this every election. When Obama won in 08 he said something
Sun May 28, 2017, 08:27 PM
May 2017

Needed to be d e but congress never addressed it

Demsrule86

(68,586 posts)
8. Yeah because the DNC has so much power over state elections,
Mon May 29, 2017, 09:01 AM
May 2017

especially after being attacked relentlessly in 16.

Demsrule86

(68,586 posts)
12. And what exactly will all this talk accomplish?
Mon May 29, 2017, 09:50 AM
May 2017

We can talk about it here. We have bigger fish to fry...if you win convincingly, it is hard to steal an election...we need to work on winning.

wildeyed

(11,243 posts)
15. They know that in my state. It's discussed.
Mon May 29, 2017, 10:25 AM
May 2017

The state party of fairly dysfunctional, but we are challenging voter suppression laws through lawsuits and continuous demonstrations organized outside of party channels. They are effective. We are getting some wins in the courts. We took back the Governor's seat. But until we win some more elections, we are hamstrung.

Demsrule86

(68,586 posts)
18. Which is meaningless at the moment. No one cares in general.
Tue May 30, 2017, 07:37 AM
May 2017

They do care about healthcare and social security...we need to help nominate candidates and support them...and work our asses off to win in 17, 18 and 20...nothing else...talk is cheap as they say...actions speak louder than words.

wildeyed

(11,243 posts)
3. What do you suggest?
Sun May 28, 2017, 09:59 PM
May 2017

When GOP is in charge of a state legislature and he Governor, they can pass horrible laws and then the only recourse is the judicial branch. That takes some time, but I can assure you it is done. What else do you think the DNC should be doing?

 

TheFrenchRazor

(2,116 posts)
6. how about at least publicizing the issue? when they show by their inaction that election integrity i
Mon May 29, 2017, 03:56 AM
May 2017

is not a serious issue, how are they ever going to get enough support to get anything done? it has been 17 years since 2000; we've had 2 repug presidents "win" under extremely sketchy circumstances, and yet as far as i can tell, the issue of election security is not even on the radar of the dem leadership.

Demsrule86

(68,586 posts)
9. And in both of those cases the Democratic party was betrayed by the so called far left and greens.
Mon May 29, 2017, 09:03 AM
May 2017

Maybe some voters ( not saying your) need to look in the mirror and stop blaming the party for losses they caused. Nader cost us 2000 and Stein certainly cost us 2016.

wildeyed

(11,243 posts)
14. You can't make the media cover important stories if they don't generate clicks.
Mon May 29, 2017, 10:19 AM
May 2017

And you can't make rank and file Democrats pay attention to stories that involve boring stuff like voter ID and gerrymandering until it is too late. Trust me. I have tried on both counts and fail wildly. You know what people here told me when I started posting about the dangers of voter ID waaaay back in the day when GA started the trend? Oh well, doesn't everyone have ID? Sounds like a good idea Supposed 'progressives' told me this.

The problem of lack of media attention does not even address the real problem which is the SUPREME COURT. It's the SC that is responsible for Citizens United and rolling back Voting Rights Act. Those are the primary reasons that the GOP can engage in the fuckery that is voter suppression and them dump massive amounts of cash into the system to sway our elections. It's LEGAL. When Dems don't control the executive and/or congressional branches of government, our only recourse is also legal. You understand basic civics right? Three branches of government, checks and balances? So under the current electoral situation, and given that our press is basically click bait infotainment, I ask again, what do you suggest that isn't already being done?

If you pay any attention to the big voting cases working their way through the courts right now, you ALREADY know that there have been some encouraging rulings recently. But of course they are all appealed and they re-tried at a hight level. SC just said they would not hear the NC voter ID case that was tried under Voting Rights, which means that the lower court ruling stands and NC will not be able to enforce that particular bit of filth. But all of this takes time and most people are not willing to educate themselves on the complicated details, so you don't see much about it in the press until things are a total dumpster fire.

Also note that the GOP is always innovating new ways to screw us over in ways that we do not notice until it is too late. The next round of gerrymandering is going to be accomplished by census manipulation. I am warning you NOW. GOP know they are going to be forced to draw better districts soon, so their next trick is to simply not count urban districts fairly and steal our representation that way.

NC GOP was block from implementing their monster voter suppression law by the Supreme Court, but they are already hard at work on a NEW suppression law they think they can get through the hoops. They never rest. So while you are bitching that the DNC isn't waving their magic wand to fix a bunch of things you are frustrated about, GOP is coming up with new ways to screw us over. Maybe you should focus on the real enemy.

Demsrule86

(68,586 posts)
19. I was very encouraged. And there is a gerrymander bill making it's way to SCOTUS with
Tue May 30, 2017, 07:39 AM
May 2017

a mathematical model to identify gerrymandered districts. Kennedy always said if he could have a real method for identifying such districts, he would take action...fingers crossed.

alwaysinflux

(149 posts)
4. What about Jill stein's millions
Sun May 28, 2017, 10:08 PM
May 2017

Donated to the recounts? She was going to use that leftover money to ensure the integrity of our election process. Let's see her do something.

Demsrule86

(68,586 posts)
10. If Stein voters and malcontents haven't learned anything since 2000 they never will.
Mon May 29, 2017, 09:05 AM
May 2017

Such people brought us United which has paid for voter suppression...maybe those who show no party loyalty and vote for third party spoilers should take responsibility.

Demsrule86

(68,586 posts)
7. And exactly how can they do that? States run elections.
Mon May 29, 2017, 08:59 AM
May 2017

And with Trump in the White House there will be no right to vote legislation. We need to work on the state level to secure the vote...you think Trump who colluded with the Russians will pass pro-vote legislation. Again...tired of the idea that the Democratic Party has some sort of magic powers and can fix what was broken when Trump was elected. We will be lucky to survive this with anyone having the right to vote. And maybe some could join the party and not attack the Democratic Party or vote for useless third parties. Until we achieve party loyalty...there is no fix for the GOP winning and subverting voting rights.

wildeyed

(11,243 posts)
16. This incredible ignorance about how the system works is frustrating.
Mon May 29, 2017, 10:31 AM
May 2017

They also seem to be ignorant of all the amazing work that IS being done to fight suppression. We just won the NC voter ID case. Wisconsin had a good win in their partisan gerrymandering case. But these things take time. We are ALL frustrated with the situation, but as you point out, there is no magic wand that will cure the problem.

Demsrule86

(68,586 posts)
17. Texas too...I know these people have unreal expectations that can never be met and then
Tue May 30, 2017, 07:20 AM
May 2017

attack the Democratic Party because of it.

brooklynite

(94,592 posts)
20. What votes weren't counted last time?
Tue May 30, 2017, 07:42 AM
May 2017

I ll remind you that nobody in politics (not Clinton, not Obama, not Sanders, no candidate, campaign manager or Party Chair) has claimed that vote flipping has occurred.

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