the DU Hippie Punching Brigade's need for a new way to insult anyone to the left of Reagan:

https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2017/05/history-of-neoliberal-meaning/528276/

The folks here who use it as a pejorative don't mean the economic belief system, they simply apply the pejorative to anyone they feel isn't left enough.

to liken labor activists and environmentalists to Nazis.

Words matter. Ideas matter. They are far more important than message board grudges and Lounge drama.

It replaced mercantilism, in which kings decided all trade into and out of their countries, in those days a revolutionary "liberalization" (and liberation) of trade.

By today's standards neoliberalism is HIGHLY CONSERVATIVE, most analogous to laissez faire capitalism. Charles Koch would be a neoliberal.

Anti-Democrats on the both right and far left, though, grabbed onto the arcane term as a phony pejorative which dishonestly suggested a link between today's liberal's and strong laissez faire greed.

And so we have moderate conservative Michael Bloomberg called, NOT the moderate conservative that he is, but a neoliberal because, hey, people today aren't already deceived and confused enough.

lol.

is incorrect, many don't have any clue what they are saying, they believe it to be a pejorative that won't get their post hidden.

It's a new way for not very liberal people to insult the party they seem to hate so much but enjoy hovering around. The ones using it with no clue are not that different from Reagan, (actually to the right of him on certain issues), in his most amyloid plaque ridden incarnation.

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If you are a Democrat, who was tainted by conservative trickery to dilute the party, you're a neo-liberal.



Some Third Way Democrats actually believe that bullshit, which helps to narrow the gap between parties.

Others are duped into supporting it, similar to how some Trump supporters were duped by his crap.


One of the goals of neoliberalism is to narrow the gap between Reps and Dems to push through con agenda.


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He will protect us from the fascists.
So will Jerry Brown, Jay Inslee, Dan Malloy, and the rest of the Democratic Governors.

programs - including ones started by his father!, and he's terrible to the unions, but he occasionally does things like this that restore my faith in humans.

The far left wants communism with the benefits of free markets.

Both are

How do you define "neo-liberal"

And "alt-left"?

From my point of view, the use of the term alt-left does little except to validate and normalize the alt-right, a term made up by a white nationalist Richard B. Spencer to advance his movement. There's nothing on the left that compares or is in any way equivalent.

Aside from that, the news itself is wonderful. I had a brief vision / hope this afternoon that the people of the U.S. could rise up and go around Trump on this issue. Looks like I may have had a premonition or intuitive flash. This is great news.

"it means just what I choose it to mean- neither more nor less."

economic conservatism refers to privatization, fiscal austerity, deregulation, free trade, and reductions in government spending.

The alt-left has been defined many times at DU

https://www.democraticunderground.com/118759369#post4

BLue Tires has a better definition but i can't find it.

of neoliberalism. There's lots of really good info about it available via Google, but I'll give the short and sweet: free market above all; the FREE market is all-knowing, almighty, all-powerful and must not be regulated, unless it's to open up more, more, more free market. It's a an economic philosophy that tramples human beings unless they're wealthy.

The Urban Dictionary: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=neoliberal
Neoliberalism is an economic ideology centered around the values of a global economy, or globalization: free market, free trade, and the unrestricted flow of capital. Neoliberals advocate minimal government spending, minimal taxation, minimal regulations, and minimal direct involvement in the economy. Neoliberals believe market forces naturally fill many areas of jurisdiction for the highest overall gain.

As for alt-left, people can define it however they want, but there IS no group on the left who are in any way equivalent to the alt-right. Period. I do wish people would consider the extent to which that term really does a great favor for the white nationalists in the nation, a group that needs anything BUT validation and elevation.

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besides your emphasis. I am not inaccurate. neoliberalism is more than just free market laissez faire beliefs. it encompasses other beliefs as well.

i don't need you to google things for me, i am a social scientist and am quite capable of understand social science concepts.

It's fun to pretend a word or a concept has only one meaning... it allows us a false pretense of accuracy when arguing against the fall of rain, regardless of how generous you may be with your shortness.

The goal of these types is to help republicans.

It's the same shit every election year with them.

None of them actually care about doing anything in the issues and certainly not doing anything to move left.

emerge during presidential elections, always with the same failed candidate and the same poor organizing skills and lack of an actual direction. None are invested in their party, none do the work that's required for a party to be viable, it's all about the attention seeking stunts, whining and attacking Democrats.

I don't recall saying that.

I was merely commenting on Bloomberg in a thread about Bloomberg.

But after what he did to Brooklyn I have hard feelings against him.

and i mean real neoliberals not just people falsely accused of being neoliberals, are more useful on this issue than the leadership of the Green Party.

...that they are.

but like few people are.

Manhattan used to have character and he destroyed that imho.

Rudy used a tank to evict squaters so that showed us that he is a fascist. But Bloomberg put gentrification on steroids.

As you can tell I am bitter about it and de Blasio has turned out to be a dud. His only accomplishment imho is basically the rent freezes for rent stabilized apartments.

are not helpful

in the primary), and in some ways we are reaping the issues that come with that. like he doesn't have the structural support he needs to succeed. and my personal belief is that he isnt good at politicking.

this is why he is not viewed as effective.

One reason most politicians win in this city is because they show up and that gives people the feeling they are doing their job. Bill doesn't show up as much as he should to events and that pisses off the politicians in this city. That is why he has such bad relationships even in his own party.

He is also getting blame for things that are beyond his control, like the mta.

But in the end this city is a different place than it was 10-20 years ago and the mayo's position doesn't seem as important as it used to be. Sort of like the city has a mind of its own.

time. it was actually a warning to me about electing people who don't know as much as they should about how the machinery operates.

The two don't seem to get along. I've read that Cumo has been playing politics with the MTA funds and, if true, I wonder if it doesn't have something to do with his issues with Deblasio since people are more likely to blame the mayor than the governor. *mutters darkly about the Q*

I will say that I like what I've read of his college plan though I haven't had the chance to study it in depth.

Please stop attacking the wrong side. The enemy is clear: it is the Republican Party and their supporters.

As the Deplorables and now want to lead a color blind white people centric Party exist and I will call them the alt left.

The Rahm Emanuel wing of the Party is never going to figure it out. Those who keep following them are going to keep losing.

Just FYI

If AMERICA(ns) agree to this commitment en masse, what does it matter what out idjit president thinks or does. What's he gonna do, send someone to my house with MORE PLASTIC???

He thinks All This belongs to HIM. It doesnt. He's going to learn the hard way, I suppose. Oh well.

Being a billionaire, he doing more of anything that he wants than is the Green Party, for good and ill.

"Firm believers in a Liberal/Social Democracy ex. (Liberties mentioned in The Bill of Rights etc...) but with a type of Socialist Market Economy;

An alternative political movement that seeks to unite those who feel underrepresented or marginalized by current mainstream political channels, who seek to adhere to left-wing policies while rejecting what they deem the regressive left agenda; "Identity Politics", "Censorship in College campuses", "Trigger Warnings", "All whites are racist", "All men are sexist" and other bullshit narratives .

Alt-Leftists despise SJWs/Regressive Leftists for their insanity denial of obvious facts and racist agenda; They despise conservatives for just being insane; They also are against corporate Neo-Liberalism ex. Hillary Clinton, Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer etc..."


http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=alt-left

Neo-liberal is a an accepted term of political and economic philosophy in political science and economics.

"Neoliberalism (neo-liberalism)[1] refers primarily to the 20th-century resurgence of 19th-century ideas associated with laissez-faire economic liberalism.[2] These include extensive economic liberalization policies such as privatization, fiscal austerity, deregulation, free trade, and reductions in government spending in order to increase the role of the private sector in the economy and society.[10] These market-based ideas and the policies they inspired constitute a paradigm shift away from the post-war Keynesian consensus which lasted from 1945 to 1980."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoliberalism

The neoliberal philosophy now dominates the Democratic party. It is what it is and is not a meaningless. A sizable segment of the Democratic party vote for and support politicians with a neoliberal stance because that is our only choice rather than leave the party. The fact that we do not whole heartedly support neoliberal policy or politicians does not make us sexists or racists or .... In my case I have been a Democratic voter since 1971 and still cling to the ideals of the New Deal and the "post-war Keynesian consensus" (and what has been done to make a more egalitarian society in their wake). I am not an outlier. I have never considered voting green or other 3rd party much less GOP.

The OP is a smear against a substantial segment of the Democratic party. Why push away and gas light so many people on your own side?

It's an economic ideology, focused on free markets and globalism. It has no concerns over the environment, aside from what the market demands. If Priuses are big sellers, great, if Hummers are, so be it. If WalMart wants to destroy American manufacturing by importing cheap crap from China, let the market decide.

There are some who pay lip service to raising minimum wage or equal pay, but still don't stray far from the free market.

Someone who is a neoliberal economically can hold either progressive or conservative views on social issues- whatever is politically expedient. What matters is the bottom line- profit/"shareholder value". A lot of people don't get that.

Only those who honestly address income inequality and underemployment can be considered truly progressive economically.

Democrats who ignore or deny the NeoLiberals in the party do so at their own risk.

no one was saying that neoliberalism is progressive. so your rant literally seems out of place.