they started us down this road. They threatened violence if he lost.

+1,000

That's a risk I'm willing to take.

same here

"Already, Republicans are trying to normalize the idea that even if collusion between Trump and Russia is found, it doesn’t discredit the administration. If they succeed—if any sort of collaboration between the Trump campaign and Russian intelligence is found but doesn’t end his presidency—it will be a betrayal of the American voting public. You think impeachment threatens America’s civic fabric? Try telling the majority of American citizens that even if their hated rulers are revealed as traitors, there’s nothing they can do about it."

It's a very good commentary. Thanks for posting the link, dalton99a.

"If they succeed—if any sort of collaboration between the Trump campaign and Russian intelligence is found but doesn’t end his presidency—it will be a betrayal of the American voting public."

Then our march towards fascism will be complete. Democracy is over. ( Oh yeah, the creepy conservatives always remind us we live in a democratic republic - like that excuses their reprehensible behavior)

The end of democracy.

Mission accomplished, IMO

as a way of "Making America Great Again"!

OOPS ! I shouldn't have said that, The sniveling hackers with their baby sized penises will try to take down this website again.

Syria maybe. But everyday Syrians are fighting for their very survival, so I say we cut them some slack. But the Nicaraguans? They didn't agree to the Paris Accord because it was essentially toothless. Everybody decides for themselves, everyone reports on their own progress. The Nicaraguans are poised to be 90% renewable by 2020. Don't lump them in with us. The United States is the only flat Earth, God will fix it (if anything in fact needs fixing), what, me worry? one at the table. We're the odd man out. We're the ones that look foolish and stupid and backward. The only thing we're really good at right now is being the biggest bully on the block. That's why Trump is the ultimate ugly American. He's stupid, petty, mean, and a bully that is as sure of his own perfection as he is in everyone else's inferiority.

They say politics is a pendulum. Well, we have swung as far right as we are capable of going as a democracy. We need to get the damn thing swinging in the other direction and fast, or America as a democracy is lost.

They'll get over it, or not. They have already proven they are dangerously uninformed on politics, economics, foreign diplomacy, climate science etc. or they wouldn't have voted for Twitler in the first place. How they feel about his impeachment is a nonissue. Regaining some level of trust and respect on the world stage is so much more important. And finally, as childish as it may sound, there's more of us than them. They should be much, much more worried how we will feel if collusion is proven and he is not impeached.

When I read their comments on threads or see their Tweets I'm astounded by their ignorance. Do I sound superior or, as Kristol put it, "self-righteous"? Great. Then I'm communicating clearly. The vast number of Trump supporters I know or read online need a good education from an American public school and to switch off Fox News permanently.

Any group in the U S who is angry or outraged by something(s) should be legitimately analyzed, if any party wants to win elections.

Republicans so far have been pretty successful in not considering the concerns of the poor & working class because they don't vote as reliablly as other groups.

The Republicans seem to be doing the Democratic Party's job in turning some of Trump's core against the Republicans, particularly because of the health care bill. Dems should run with that and hammer it hard, as well as the huge tax cuts being given to the very wealthy by taking away money from a myriad of programs that benefit the citizens.

We all matter, IMO. The group of racist people can't be reached, of course, so they are a lost cause, unless some other issue can be hammered home to them. Racists vote Republican.

Obamacare was one thing that Trump's core was angry about. I understand that because I have to buy my ins on the individual market. But the Democratic Party didn't acknowledge, much less respond, to the anger and harm of the millions experiencing serious problems with their ACA insurance. They are listening now, and if it's not too late, they need to come up with some ideas to get it back on track. Health care is a really big deal to everyone, even Trump supporters. They are as important as other groups, when it comes to health care. Taking the high road doesn't seem to be winning many elections lately. They need to get attention and hammer hammer hammer the issues home.

With the recent special elections, the Democrats haven't won. Even with all the awful things going on in the country, they still haven't won. The loss was less than normal, but it's still a loss. We need to win seats in the mid-term. I hope they come out swinging and hit all these issues hard so that even people not paying much attention can be made to understand how THEY will be hurt by voting Republican.

"endorsing."

because they are part of a sociological group that responds to fear as a motivator (and in many cases, manufactured fear). Other sociological groups don't react this way.

However based on our election system where voters elect representatives - the more voters are "motivated", the more voters will turn out. And in this case historically, that subset of fear-motivated voters managed to wrest control of their local geographic area electoral processes, subsequently "rigging" the system in their favor, which of course impacts everyone else.

At some earlier point, doing this didn't have that big of an impact or policies and legislation. But nowadays, with full blown hyper-partisan politics in place, the "rigging" has reached the breaking point, and has solidified a skewed snapshot of American sentiment.

IMHO, if elections were as easy as mailing in a ballot or voting online or even calling in a vote, you might see a different picture (because groups of voters impacted by the rigging won't have to struggle to get to out-of-the-way polling locations only to wait in line for hours and hours to vote, and then be rejected for insufficient ID...).

I'm more concerned about them understanding US! I've read article after article of why Hillary lost, and how we didn't try to understand "disaffected" Americans.
Why don't they try to understand that we've become the "disaffected" ones?

Hillary lost because
1) She's a woman
2) Bernie supporters didn't vote for her
3) The right has been blasting her for 20 years.
4) All of the above.

Both Bill Clinton and Barack Obama tried to reach out to those (white, working and lower middle class) voters and were able to win a significant percentage of their votes; not a majority, but a significant percentage. In case you've forgotten, Bill Clinton and Barack Obama WON 8 year terms.

You win by adding votes from every possible block of voters.

Perot's voters got older and creepier.

does NOT include the bottom feeders who voted out of fear and rage. Not if you define "possible" as "reasonable."

Those who voted for Dump KNEW he was a bigot; he SAID so, multiple times. They knew he was a racist, they knew he was a misogynist, they knew he was anti-Muslim, anti-LGTB, and anti-Semite. AND THEY VOTED FOR HIM ANYWAY. Actually, they voted for him BECAUSE he was all these things (see: "he tells it like it is.&quot

I am ignoring them as a "voting block" because they are beyond reasoning with. They are too full of hatred.

I try so hard to understand what it is that's driving Trump supporters. I've asked them why they hate Obama so. None can give me a good answer that's not deeply rooted in racism and fear.
No one has EVER asked me why I fear a Trump presidency. Not one Trump supporter has ever been asked to understand us, the majority.

I don't think all of them are hardcore racists (some of them are), but they've been systematically brainwashed by Fox, talk radio, and social media, which has ironically convinced them that actual fact checked journalism is "liberal lies".

If we open carry at the next Women's March, bet they would write ALL the slobbering articles ever about us. Or make our bodies acceptable to the male gaze by getting professional blowouts, wearing tasteful makeup and showing JUST the right amount of collar bone to be considered sexy but not slutty. Then we will be 'important' like Ivanka!

We can't let the 35 or 38% own us. Thanks for sharing this with us.

After the sh*tstorm they created for a nation.

In less than 3 months, the USA is a pariah among nations, as well as a sordid example of human greed, ignorance and bigotry for history point to.

I give not one flying f*ck for them, their families or businesses.

....backwoods PWTs.....you just cant fix stupid....

Shoot, I wish the severed head had been with a gory torso lying back of a guillotine and Griffin had been grinning and the shot had been captioned with one of her zingers.

I don't give a damn about their tender feelings, those people who got progressively more racist over Obama's 8 years. I care not at all about the outrage orchestrated by right wing flacks whether it's about a flag made in China being burned because people have been cut off from police protection and made into targets, or about a comedian saying a Bad Word on TV or about a singer who momentarily exposed a pierced nipple because he costar was clumsy, or a comedian lifted a gory special effects item and had her picture taken. I don't care about that.

What I do care about is the very real damage those wingnuts and their corrupted view of government are causing, from Nixon's war on drugs (read: war on black people and liberals) to the daily attacks against women's health care. They're hurting real people so if their tender little feelings get hurt by words or pictures, fuck 'em.

Helen Mirren once said one of her biggest regrets in life was not saying "fuck off!" more often. Well, Dame Mirren, I am making progress with your "fuck off" deficit by increasing my own production. I find it more productive than giving a fuck I no longer have about the tender sensibilities of right wing nuts.

Thank you!

How idiotic to say it is to "overturn an election."

1. I'm not the cause of someone else's rage. He is.
2. That someone can't control his anger, just shows how weak and powerless he is.
3. Throwing rage temper tantrums is the manipulative bullying tactic of juveniles.

Trump supporters need to grow up and start using their brain, rather than being run by their negative emotions of fear and anger. They are responsible for falling into indifference for 70 years and allowing republicans to destroy their unions. They are the greedy "me-first" parasites, who thought not paying union dues would be ok . Let others pick up the tab. They are the heartless mean-spirited people, who allowed racist bigots to suppress the vote. They are the lazy assholes, who never checked out a book from the library and educated themselves about history, economics, politics, psychology etc.

Their rage doesn't impress me. They can either grow up and get on board with changing this country for the better, or they can continue being angry, powerless, uneducated low-wage slaves forever.

Not just the 66 million who voted for Hillary.

A relationship where we all have to walk on eggshells so as not to "justify" the abuse of our abusers.

"He wouldn't beat you if you'd just keep quiet."

I'm sick of being asked to placate people who couldn't care less about the impact their votes, actions, and speech have on the rest of the world.

The popular vote or the electoral college vote.

He started a fucking war over his goddamn dad that murdered hundreds of thousands of people, helped defense contractors steal billions, and fucked Syria.

Too fucking bad if they get angry. We are not the only fucking country on the planet. America always puts itself first. What did we get? Russia choose our president.

Congratulations.

On top of which, I'm pretty sure a lot of Trump's support are bots. Possibly responding to google alerts or webcrawling. There are too many identical responses in strange places.

she points out the most interesting points that I've not thought of.

This column is posted all over today as well it should be.

Twitler's core are happy to remain brainwashed by Fox and they love to hate EVERYONE! We are not going to bring them around by "understanding" those who lack the ability to understand. If Twitler's budget and tax cuts for the wealthy are put into effect by the repugs, this country will have hell to pay. As it now stands, we already have to hell to pay. "Sympathy for the devil" was a cute song, but it's asinine to practice in real life.