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Many want Hillary Clinton to go away. They complain that she is not accepting sufficient responsibility for losing the election. As a Bernie Delegate who believes Hillary was not the best choice, I say categorically that sexism is the primary reason she lost and why even some Liberals want her to shut up.
https://egbertowillies.com/2017/06/03/hillary-clinton-sexism-racism/
Gravitycollapse
(8,155 posts)Shandris
(3,447 posts)...and a loss to a literal clown, maybe its time to recognize that it's not going to happen and that perhaps she should assume a different position in the party.
Of course, if all we can come up with to replace her is Zuckerberg, I may as well leave now. I can assure you, three years ahead of fact, that there is no action, no word, no narrative, and no chiding/shaming/mocking that can make me even remotely consider for one single solitary second casting a vote for Mark Zuckerberg. I know for a fact I am not alone in this.
StevieM
(10,500 posts)going to be running for president again. She just said so the other day.
I doubt Zuckerberg is running either. But in the bizarre event that he did, and he won the nomination, are you actually saying that you wouldn't vote for him to get rid of Trump?
Shandris
(3,447 posts)I don't have tv so I can't/don't see much of the stuff many here watch; that often is the very simple explanation.
As for Zuckerberg, yah, that's exactly what I'm saying. I wouldn't cast a vote for him to unseat Lucifer himself. I refuse to vote for evil, regardless of whether it pretends to be on my side. I hope that if enough people make this sentiment clear, he won't waste our time and money in a few years as it seems to me he's slowly gearing up to do. We need a good, solid and preferably clean (in temperament and scandals both) candidate.
liberal N proud
(60,334 posts)First of all she was determined the best candidate in the primary and the general election drawing the most votes.
That said, we could forget about the Russian connection but only for a moment because it played a huge role.
The anti Hillary rhetoric was years in the making, it stared when she was First Lady and the whole anti Clinton movement. Next add that the white male establishment had just endured 8 years of a black man in the White house and their noses were bent. They were not about to have another 4 years without a white man in the oval office.
Now pile on the Russian interference and you have a Butternut Bigot in office. BS would not have done any better, but I will add that there wouldn't have been a large block of voters who refused to vote because their candidate didn't win the primary. Sore looser who wouldn't vote were as much a part of her loss as anything.
JI7
(89,249 posts)Her support for mothers of innocent black people killed and her talKing of white privilege.
Her support for immigrants refugees and seeing huma abedin like a daughter.
mhw
(678 posts)Why She is not seated as our President & Trump is, you'll have to look further than "not accepting responsibility" because she has done so more than any other.
You'l have to look further than " Hillary was not the best choice" because clearly she has more creds than anyone in the race. EVER.
You'll have to look much further also than the words "Shut Up & Go Away."
That is insulting & demeaning to all this woman has conquered in her adult life.
You have really given no legitimate reason other than sexism.
And the same vocal groups who used that as a reason to elect Trump are also on a mission to find an array of empty excuses to continue their lack of accepting their own responsibility in buying the lies of campaign 2016.
To pull away the smear campaign against her, one that was a concerted effort by an international criminal organization, well funded, for the nonstop flat out lies to discredit & silence her mission & her voice..to peel back that effort is to reveal that Hillary Clinton had more creds, more honesty, more truth in her convictions that equal rights are human rights, than any candidate running from day 1 of the entire campaign.
She has walked her talk since her first days of activism.
It isn't Hillary Clinton that needs to "accept responsibility" for 2016, it is those who bought the lies, enjoyed repeating them & did all they could to sow division & unfounded hatred for the only person who by her millions more votes, was clearly the favorite of 2016.
Own it yourself.
Thank you.
Locutusofborg
(525 posts)100% on Hillary Clinton and her campaign, as I would for any losing candidate. "All's fair in love, war and politics" and she lost. Now its time for someone else to defeat Trump in 2020.
emulatorloo
(44,124 posts)Curious, are you one of those "no evidence of Russian interference" people?
jrthin
(4,836 posts)After all, they had no involvement in 45 winning.
pennylane100
(3,425 posts)Actually, all was not fair in the election that was stolen from her. I will never believe that Trump "won" the election. He betrayed his country to steal it and yet Hillary still gets the blame. I do not understand why she is so disliked. I was a very strong Bernie supporter but I knew we would be safe with her as our leader. So for all the Hillary haters out there, the real losers are all of us who have a psychopath now running the country.
delisen
(6,043 posts)Election cycle 2016 has brought it all into focus.
If the rot in Trump regime brings down enough Republicans to destroy that party and it shrinks into a fringe party, there may well be a split in the Democratic Party with two major parties resulting.
I will be with the one that prioritizes human rights.
CBHagman
(16,984 posts)There are multiple reasons Hillary Clinton isn't president today, some of which have to do with sexism, and we'd do well to look at the big picture, but with openness and without this bizarre and misogynistic/ageist insistence that women, including Hillary Clinton, just shut up.
pennylane100
(3,425 posts)I remember when Robert Byrd was in the senate, I think he was there until he was over ninety years old. I did not remember any criticism of his failure to quit because he was too old. However, Ruth Ginsberg is not treated the same way. People were asking her to retire before the election so Obama could choose a replacement. How sexist is that.
athena
(4,187 posts)You're the first person who has expressed what I've been thinking for a long time about the anger directed at Ginsberg. I'm glad I'm not the only one who has noticed this.
emulatorloo
(44,124 posts)https://www.damemagazine.com/2017/06/01/silencing-hillary-clinton-supporter
The Silencing of the Hillary Clinton Supporter
The medias obsession with the white populist narrative serves two purposes: telling women who supported Hillary they dont matter and exonerating itself from being culpable in her loss.
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http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/06/03/why-do-they-hate-her-215220
Why Do They Hate Her?
Hillary Clinton is the most maligned presidential loser in history. Whats going on?
By JOSHUA ZEITZ June 03, 2017
DefenseLawyer
(11,101 posts)crazycatlady
(4,492 posts)The fact that people would vote for an unqualified sexual predator (who thinks pussy grabbing is a joke) over a qualified woman speaks volumes.
Unfortunately this isn't going away as people age off like some 'old traditions' do (ie the use of the N word). Ask any millennial if they know of a 'fuckboy'
rock
(13,218 posts)Remember that in 2008 the liberals where glad, even tickled, to be voting for a black man (since most of the racists were republicans). And he won by something like 6 million votes. But for 2016, Hillary won by only (ha-ha) 3 million votes. In fact it was quite apparent how misogynistic the voters were during that time (and in this case they were just as rampant for the liberals as for the conservatives)!
bresue
(1,007 posts)I have heard comments that she
was a liar, a cheat, crooked, and clueless....everything that we know Dump is but yet he is now sitting in the white house.
And what really pisses me off...is when I hear older ladies make the comments, that a woman's place is not in the white house. And that a woman shouldn't be President because she would be too soft to declare war. But, maybe that is why Germany is doing so well...Merkel thinks before she squawks off. (No pun against you men out there that are pacifists.)
athena
(4,187 posts)They hate women who are intelligent and competent. They feel much more comfortable with the idea that women are inferior to men than with the idea that women might be the equals of men. I can't say I understand their thinking, since it doesn't make sense to me, but this is my observation.
bresue
(1,007 posts)athena
(4,187 posts)Racism is more acute, but sexism runs deeper. We will overcome racism sooner than we overcome sexism, if we ever overcome the latter.
Before Hillary declared her candidacy, I hoped she wouldn't run. I knew that her candidacy would result in the display of the worst forms of sexism in American society, and I was afraid she would lose as a result. After she declared, seeing how well she was doing, I allowed myself to get excited. In the end, my original hunch proved to have been correct. In retrospect, however, I'm glad she ran. Even with something as disgusting as sexism, it's good to bring it into the open. As long as it remains hidden, we have no hope of ever dealing with it.
Hamlette
(15,412 posts)no one ever said Gore or Kerry should go away when they lost.
Most of the shit her opponents said, including Bernie supporters, would NOT be said about a male candidate. Listen to yourselves, now imagine you saying it about any male candidate. It's not as if Hillary was the only person to take money for speeches. My husband is a banking lawyer and made much money doing it. My attitude has always been "if you're going to charge someone $500 per hour it should be banks (in insurance companies). Thanks for putting my son through college!
She should be given kudos for ripping off the evil Goldman Sachs. Instead, you are critical.
Stop!
TheFrenchRazor
(2,116 posts)democratisphere
(17,235 posts)Democrats offer superior candidates yet can't get behind the nominee of the Democratic Party. Democrats need to get smart or we will continue to lose elections. Racism and sexism will never change and it can be overcome by standing up for the political parties elected nominee.
McCamy Taylor
(19,240 posts)Can't say that it is "worse" but it is definitely more common. And since a lot of Americans wants the Commander in Chief to ooze machismo, being a woman is not an asset when running for the job.
Awsi Dooger
(14,565 posts)We failed in countless House races in 2006 despite favorable terrain. Many post-election reviews indicated that nominating women to contest those races was our downfall. Our percentage in key races was considerably worse with female nominees than males. The women were not able to take advantage of the anti-Iraq sentiment to the degree a male candidate would have.
None of this should be surprising. Long history. Women never were the focus of a Civil War yet they received the right to vote decades after blacks won that right. There were special interest fears toward how women would vote in comparison to men, and now that same fear is attached to how a woman would govern.
I know plenty of bigoted simplistic angry males from Las Vegas. They opposed Obama but they sensed that it wouldn't come across well if they offered their true feelings toward him. No such restraint applied to Hillary. I heard every name and claim imaginable. The fake news would not have attached to a male to the same degree it did to Hillary.
PDittie
(8,322 posts)is that she did not receive enough votes in the Electoral College.
C'mon, Eg. There's Comey, there's voter suppression in key states like Wisconsin, even low turnout among African Americans and probably a few other things before you can blame misogyny.
beachbum bob
(10,437 posts)"lesser of 2 evils"....it was a ideology that place the betterment of all of America against personal ideology/litmus test. America lost, not just hillary and sexism did not prove to be the deciding point, it was delusional self-importance of ideology