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babylonsister

(171,066 posts)
Sat Jun 3, 2017, 09:52 PM Jun 2017

RussiaGate Has Become a Catastrophic Failure of Leadership , and a Debacle ...

http://billmoyers.com/story/trump-russia-scandal-investigation/

‘RussiaGate’ Has Become a Catastrophic Failure of Leadership — and a Debacle From Which the Trump Presidency Will Not Recover

The Trump-Russia scandal has metastasized quickly and destructively.

By Douglas Blackmon | May 23, 2017

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To understand why this is so serious, it’s important first to realize what is truly important to the inquiry — and to escape some of the distractions of the past six months. Why Donald Trump defeated Hillary Clinton in November, or exactly how Russian interests attempted to disrupt and influence our electoral process, is important, but ultimately not what matters most. Whether former Trump campaign officials and advisers failed to disclose past business dealings with interests in Ukraine, Russia and Turkey is a question that will be answered, but not a defining one. That President Trump and his family have had past business dealings or allegedly engaged in personal hijinks in Russia is hardly important at all.

No, this is an investigation about one thing: the now-undeniable fact that a Russian espionage conspiracy accomplished an objective that has never previously occurred in American history — compromising the highest levels of US government, penetrating the White House, establishing influence and leverage over the president’s national security adviser and planting false information with the vice president of the United States — who then, wittingly or unwittingly, repeated those fictions to the American people.

In our current toxic political atmosphere, filled with charges and countercharges, and ruthless accusations against and among media, it is sometimes easy to lose perspective and fail to see what is significant or insignificant. So let me be clear: What Russia accomplished in this operation represents a breathtaking danger to all Americans and an immeasurable humiliation to our global prestige. Russian spy agencies successfully reached inside the walls of the White House, the confines of the National Security Council and the thinking of, at least, the second-highest ranking elected official of our country. If the most powerful figures in our government can be duped into self-destruction as easily as this, none of our secrets are safe, the words of our leaders are unreliable and the most basic sense of judgment by our president is in doubt.
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RussiaGate Has Become a Catastrophic Failure of Leadership , and a Debacle ... (Original Post) babylonsister Jun 2017 OP
Good points. I wonder if Exxon will also be implicated in this? bettyellen Jun 2017 #1
Maybe... babylonsister Jun 2017 #2
and yet he is still president and his cabal is intact. The catastrophe will end when he is gone. NRaleighLiberal Jun 2017 #3
I am as impatient as you are, and everyone who is paying babylonsister Jun 2017 #4
I just have an undertone of being utterly pissed off constantly - NRaleighLiberal Jun 2017 #5
I understand because I do, too, but babylonsister Jun 2017 #7
Really it's not about these things at this point, either. Hugin Jun 2017 #6
Wittingly. dchill Jun 2017 #8
What's most disturbing is the is the fact that, despite your well made points there is a large % of kairos12 Jun 2017 #9
I'll make it easy on the writer: After perhaps decades of financial entanglements WinkyDink Jun 2017 #10
A typist's dream, babylonsister Jun 2017 #11
That's where I learned it! But the import never really hit me until..... WinkyDink Jun 2017 #16
+++ heaven05 Jun 2017 #12
K&R Scurrilous Jun 2017 #13
K & R Duppers Jun 2017 #14
Moyers is correct gratuitous Jun 2017 #15

NRaleighLiberal

(60,014 posts)
5. I just have an undertone of being utterly pissed off constantly -
Sat Jun 3, 2017, 11:18 PM
Jun 2017

because none of it makes an iota of sense!

babylonsister

(171,066 posts)
7. I understand because I do, too, but
Sat Jun 3, 2017, 11:31 PM
Jun 2017

you either button your lip or express your displeasure outright. You have a venue. Ha!
I just post stuff and hope to inform. I also post things that make me angry, as do you.

Hugin

(33,148 posts)
6. Really it's not about these things at this point, either.
Sat Jun 3, 2017, 11:28 PM
Jun 2017

It's now all about Obstruction of Justice, baby.


Which is provable beyond a reasonable doubt in this case.

The Russiacovfefe is filled with difficulties for investigation and prosecution due to National Security concerns, Classification of Information, and the possible involvement of uncooperative Foreign Nationals and Powers. However, the Obstruction of Justice is all made in the good old USA and in clear view to anyone with access to the Media.

kairos12

(12,862 posts)
9. What's most disturbing is the is the fact that, despite your well made points there is a large % of
Sun Jun 4, 2017, 12:39 AM
Jun 2017

Americans who prefer Putin in de facto power to HRC's legitimate election.

 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
10. I'll make it easy on the writer: After perhaps decades of financial entanglements
Sun Jun 4, 2017, 12:42 AM
Jun 2017

between the Family Trump/Kushner and Russian entities, leading to massive debt on the former's part to the latter, a plot was hatched for payment.

This plot involved the literal take-over of the American Presidency.

The motive would be, for Russia and Putin, financial as well as geopolitical.

The motive would be, for Family Trump/Kushner, survival.

The means would be hacking into voting equipment; hiring Internet "trolls" to spread lies and propaganda about all opponents; and bribing sitting members of Congress.

The opportunity would come in 2016, with a crowded Republican field and an unexpected challenge in the Democratic one.

The coup was successful.

Until now.

Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country. Will they?

babylonsister

(171,066 posts)
11. A typist's dream,
Sun Jun 4, 2017, 12:49 AM
Jun 2017

Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country.

Sorry, had to point that out; I don't even know why now; doesn't appear to use every letter.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
15. Moyers is correct
Sun Jun 4, 2017, 01:37 AM
Jun 2017

Alger Hiss went to prison and Ethel Rosenberg was executed for less than what's come out so far from the Trump administration.

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