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Stop defending Maher. He's a punk. (Original Post) elehhhhna Jun 2017 OP
True. Voters of color deserve mad respect for not falling for Don the Con- so it's really bettyellen Jun 2017 #1
We can support both VoC and Bill Maher! Woah! What a cool concept. Madam45for2923 Jun 2017 #45
Or we can respect our allies and not cram Maher down their throats - attempting to bettyellen Jun 2017 #48
bettyellen, I implore you not to watch Bill Maher! I promise you NO ONE is CRAMMING Madam45for2923 Jun 2017 #49
Wow. That's even ruder. If you can't have a respectful convo w me because my bettyellen Jun 2017 #52
How is it rude? Thought you'd like knowing no one is cramming anything. Madam45for2923 Jun 2017 #55
NO ONE is CRAMMING Maher into your throat! Madam45for2923 Jun 2017 #51
That's a figure of speech, and yeah. They're relentless and it's tiresome . bettyellen Jun 2017 #53
So avoid the topic then if you don't want to read a back & forth on the topic. Madam45for2923 Jun 2017 #57
He is a comedian. Else You Are Mad Jun 2017 #2
What was the joke? oberliner Jun 2017 #25
I'm told that it was a very nuanced literary reference to both Gone With the Wind Squinch Jun 2017 #28
Yes, I was told it was a reference to Malcolm X oberliner Jun 2017 #38
I think people are confused as if it went over people heads, LOL.... bettyellen Jun 2017 #56
I got the joke metroins Jun 2017 #43
I thought it made complete sense as well. PragmaticLiberal Jun 2017 #50
I agree. He should not have it but he used in reference to himself. OregonBlue Jun 2017 #102
You do know that others understood it - but still thought it sucked? bettyellen Jun 2017 #58
The person I replied to metroins Jun 2017 #62
There is no joke there oberliner Jun 2017 #97
The funny part metroins Jun 2017 #117
Everyone got the joke. Such as it was. Squinch Jun 2017 #111
I'm guessing Maher is not getting any defense on Free Republic. SunSeeker Jun 2017 #3
Yep! Madam45for2923 Jun 2017 #46
No it's not. Maher fucked up and apologized. babylonsister Jun 2017 #4
+ 1 n/t blue cat Jun 2017 #101
I remember when Politically Incorrect got cancelled captain queeg Jun 2017 #5
And he'll get forced out, in the start of the Second 8-Year Republican presidency too. TheBlackAdder Jun 2017 #36
would everyone PLEASE get off maher and griffin.. chillfactor Jun 2017 #6
+1000. roamer65 Jun 2017 #7
Yes, thank you for pointing this out. blue-wave Jun 2017 #10
Thank You! Leith Jun 2017 #12
Hear, hear! smirkymonkey Jun 2017 #22
Have the Republicans not provided an object lesson in the dangers of failing to police one's own? LeftyMom Jun 2017 #18
YES! THIS! People correctly said, "hey, that's racist asshole!" He said, "yes, it was! Sorry." Squinch Jun 2017 #29
First Griffin, then Maher. Is there a pool to see which Democratic proponent Dems will purge next? TheBlackAdder Jun 2017 #39
Purge? Are YOU calling for him to be purged? Because no one else is. So why would you say that? Squinch Jun 2017 #47
HuffPo and others have articles about calling for his removal from HBO, and many are not GOPers. TheBlackAdder Jun 2017 #54
Please link to articles calling for his removal. I see none. Squinch Jun 2017 #61
Oh, there are a few here saying that Maher needs to go away. TheBlackAdder Jun 2017 #67
LOL! You KNOW that's lame. A columnist saying, "people want bill maher fired" is the same Squinch Jun 2017 #78
That article made me wonder - would it be such a great loss if he was cancelled? bettyellen Jun 2017 #81
THAT made me laugh! Can you just about imagine! Squinch Jun 2017 #83
Yep. Even Trump would crack a natural smile, one better than his Russian meeting in the Oval Office. TheBlackAdder Jun 2017 #84
No. Anything that portrayed real life in the Bronx would send Trump cowering under the sofa. Squinch Jun 2017 #87
This message was self-deleted by its author TheBlackAdder Jun 2017 #90
The conversation here is about taking Maher, or those who thought Maher's slur was edgy, up to the Squinch Jun 2017 #91
And friendly interview w Milo the white nationalists sexist piece of shit. bettyellen Jun 2017 #94
+++++++++++ HAB911 Jun 2017 #65
It's not the first time he has fucked up. I used to be a big fan. Lisa0825 Jun 2017 #8
What about blue-wave Jun 2017 #9
He's not a progressive. He rejects science, he's a bigot, he's none too fond of women, LeftyMom Jun 2017 #19
Basically all of this. I don't care if others watch him but he's not a real liberal- he spends much bettyellen Jun 2017 #27
He's a pot progressive -- i.e., a libertarian. He's only an ally when he feels like it.. nt pnwmom Jun 2017 #21
What I'm not forgiving is the excuses made here and condescending crap. bettyellen Jun 2017 #24
The only people who have even raised the possibility of getting his show cancelled are his defenders Squinch Jun 2017 #30
Meeting their low standards is no way to win loyalsister Jun 2017 #106
I gather you despised Bill Maher before this controversy -- I'd be interested in those specifics cloudythescribbler Jun 2017 #11
Wow, excellent post. OnDoutside Jun 2017 #14
Thank you! Soxfan58 Jun 2017 #34
Good post BlueJac Jun 2017 #41
Well said! BuddhaGirl Jun 2017 #110
Please. SaschaHM Jun 2017 #13
Democratic politician says let's not rush to judgement OnDoutside Jun 2017 #15
It's not a false equivalency. SaschaHM Jun 2017 #16
Go back through the threads, that's not the case. OnDoutside Jun 2017 #17
At no point did I say people have gone after Corey because he is a PoC. SaschaHM Jun 2017 #20
Then why bring Corey into this thread, if it wasn't to draw OnDoutside Jun 2017 #23
Because people baselessly attacked him and no one said -STFu, let's focus on Trump... bettyellen Jun 2017 #26
There are always a variety of opinions. That's Democracy. Most people here like Booker a lot. On LBM20 Jun 2017 #35
Most of the people you are dismissing as "cruicifying a person's entire life and character" JTFrog Jun 2017 #73
You really don't get that people don't want to go back to shittier less progress eras? bettyellen Jun 2017 #79
Maher is a smug, offensive asshole. What else is new. DetlefK Jun 2017 #31
Bill Maher is a comedian. Please calm down. LBM20 Jun 2017 #33
What in the post you are responding to led you to the conclusion that the poster was not calm? Squinch Jun 2017 #37
Bullseye. Thank you. (nt) Paladin Jun 2017 #60
He is a satirical comedian. It is totally hyperbolic to compare this to Free Republic. LBM20 Jun 2017 #32
Except the Milo interview, Muslim bashing, LGBT bashing... bettyellen Jun 2017 #96
ffs, I'm not a fan but he's a comedian joeybee12 Jun 2017 #40
It's absolutely ridiculous njhoneybadger Jun 2017 #42
Yup joeybee12 Jun 2017 #44
I feel like I should make a metaphorical statement involving and animal too! bettyellen Jun 2017 #72
I defend him. Enthusiastically. Goodheart Jun 2017 #59
+++++++++++ HAB911 Jun 2017 #63
He should stop making racist statements, then. Orrex Jun 2017 #64
He didn't make a racist statement. Goodheart Jun 2017 #66
Yeah, his fans always say that Orrex Jun 2017 #74
Yes! It's odd how I'm reading he's just a comedian and then a post or bettyellen Jun 2017 #68
Who here has said he's "just" a comedian? Goodheart Jun 2017 #70
Loads of people. " Just a joke" "what he does is so important" bettyellen Jun 2017 #71
Those are not contradictions. Goodheart Jun 2017 #75
That must be convenient Orrex Jun 2017 #82
Wow- you're right. bettyellen Jun 2017 #89
That's one of the most ignorant things I have read. Tons of comedians are culturally Exilednight Jun 2017 #85
Then why are so many people saying "it's just a joke"? It's inconsistent reasoning... bettyellen Jun 2017 #92
Because it's a joke. Exilednight Jun 2017 #99
Would it have been a joke if Bill O'Reilly had said it? Orrex Jun 2017 #105
Does O'Reilly consider himself a comedian. Exilednight Jun 2017 #108
No problem! Orrex Jun 2017 #93
Here here! J0D Jun 2017 #109
Really? "At least" hold everyone to an unacceptably low standard? Hortensis Jun 2017 #119
I actually made a big mistake.. J0D Jun 2017 #121
I mirror the same opinion as Kevin Hart J0D Jun 2017 #122
There, there... MineralMan Jun 2017 #120
Seems folks I like r always getting blasted here dembotoz Jun 2017 #69
And an Islamophobic bigot - nt KingCharlemagne Jun 2017 #76
since when should we get all bent out of shape for what a comedian says...George Carlin and Richard beachbum bob Jun 2017 #77
But why are people insisting his show is so important and saying this too? bettyellen Jun 2017 #88
Here you go. No one is laughing. Squinch Jun 2017 #95
:thumbsup: Orrex Jun 2017 #107
Whataboutisms nt Quayblue Jun 2017 #118
"Bill Maher is Ann Coulter with shorter hair": JTFrog Jun 2017 #80
One big difference Exilednight Jun 2017 #86
I like him and am glad to hear what he has to say. Maybe agree maybe not judesedit Jun 2017 #98
Gee, I like him. snort Jun 2017 #100
He has always been an asshole but now he's a pathetic distraction from the real problem in DC. FreeStateDemocrat Jun 2017 #103
Way too many troll Bots infiltrating us... FarPoint Jun 2017 #104
Can't stand Bill Maher sellitman Jun 2017 #112
you stop ohheckyeah Jun 2017 #113
Well that's why I like him NobodyHere Jun 2017 #114
Free speech is a distant memory gilbert sullivan Jun 2017 #115
Sorry, I like him and he does have the distinction of being a comedian who was Vinca Jun 2017 #116
 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
1. True. Voters of color deserve mad respect for not falling for Don the Con- so it's really
Sun Jun 4, 2017, 12:00 AM
Jun 2017

Them who deserve our support and thanks. Not the quasi liberal sexist asshole when he's using slurs.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
48. Or we can respect our allies and not cram Maher down their throats - attempting to
Sun Jun 4, 2017, 08:45 AM
Jun 2017

Silence them- it's rude as fuck already. Stop making excuses for the man. It's making it worse!

 

Madam45for2923

(7,178 posts)
49. bettyellen, I implore you not to watch Bill Maher! I promise you NO ONE is CRAMMING
Sun Jun 4, 2017, 08:51 AM
Jun 2017

Maher into your throat!

NO ONE is CRAMMING Maher into your throat!
NO ONE is CRAMMING Maher into your throat!
NO ONE is CRAMMING Maher into your throat!


bettyellen
48. Or we can respect our allies and not cram Maher down their throats - attempting to

Silence them- it's rude as fuck already. Stop making excuses for the man. It's making it worse!

I forgot:


NO ONE is CRAMMING Maher into your throat!
NO ONE is CRAMMING Maher into your throat!
NO ONE is CRAMMING Maher into your throat!

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
52. Wow. That's even ruder. If you can't have a respectful convo w me because my
Sun Jun 4, 2017, 08:54 AM
Jun 2017

Tastes differ.... well then go be with your tribe and have fun. Not my scene.

 

Madam45for2923

(7,178 posts)
55. How is it rude? Thought you'd like knowing no one is cramming anything.
Sun Jun 4, 2017, 08:58 AM
Jun 2017

That is awesome news!


bettyellen
52. Wow. That's even ruder. If you can't have a respectful convo w me because my

Tastes differ.... well then go be with your tribe and have fun. Not my scene.

 

Madam45for2923

(7,178 posts)
51. NO ONE is CRAMMING Maher into your throat!
Sun Jun 4, 2017, 08:53 AM
Jun 2017

Geesh!


Please bettyellen, do as you wish, Watch dont watch!

LOL!

bettyellen
48. Or we can respect our allies and not cram Maher down their throats - attempting to

Silence them- it's rude as fuck already. Stop making excuses for the man. It's making it worse!

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
53. That's a figure of speech, and yeah. They're relentless and it's tiresome .
Sun Jun 4, 2017, 08:57 AM
Jun 2017

Had no idea his fan base was so rabid. Meh. I could care less about super fans.

 

Madam45for2923

(7,178 posts)
57. So avoid the topic then if you don't want to read a back & forth on the topic.
Sun Jun 4, 2017, 09:01 AM
Jun 2017

I like him but don't watch him all the time, but will defend him because I think although he made a mistake, he apologized, and I want him to survive this moment because I believe he is a valuable voice. (long sentence, I know!)


bettyellen
53. That's a figure of speech, and yeah. They're relentless and it's tiresome .

Had no idea his fan base was so rabid. Meh. I could care less about super fans.

Else You Are Mad

(3,040 posts)
2. He is a comedian.
Sun Jun 4, 2017, 12:07 AM
Jun 2017

Hate him or like him he is an entertainer that was hoping to make money off of a shitty racist joke. He is not any liberal leader or figure head. He told shitty jokes and hates religions. The more we talk about it the more he wins.

Squinch

(50,949 posts)
28. I'm told that it was a very nuanced literary reference to both Gone With the Wind
Sun Jun 4, 2017, 06:49 AM
Jun 2017

(which, let's face it, isn't the best source for an "it's not racism!" argument) and Malcolm X. I am told that it was so nuanced that only the most intelligent got it.

Apparently Bill Maher himself didn't see it that way, because he apologized and acknowledged it was just a completely inappropriate racial slur. I'm going to go with Maher on this one.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
38. Yes, I was told it was a reference to Malcolm X
Sun Jun 4, 2017, 07:38 AM
Jun 2017

In any case, I didn't really get whatever the "joke" was. Seems weird that he would even have that word at the ready. Apologizing was definitely a good idea.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
56. I think people are confused as if it went over people heads, LOL....
Sun Jun 4, 2017, 09:00 AM
Jun 2017

When it was actually very basic! I don't know why they would assume those offended didn't understand (kind of patronizing) but I've never had to skim through so many damn paragraphs "explaining it" and it's divine humor! I remain unconvinced.

metroins

(2,550 posts)
43. I got the joke
Sun Jun 4, 2017, 08:24 AM
Jun 2017

The senator was joking that maher should be doing hard work, and the senator brought up working in the fields.

Maher said he was too good for that kind of dirty work and he likes his current status.

I thought it made complete sense as a comical reference.

PragmaticLiberal

(904 posts)
50. I thought it made complete sense as well.
Sun Jun 4, 2017, 08:52 AM
Jun 2017

Now should he have gone there? Probably not.

But I understood the intent from a comedic perspective.

OregonBlue

(7,754 posts)
102. I agree. He should not have it but he used in reference to himself.
Sun Jun 4, 2017, 11:38 AM
Jun 2017

He was not attacking someone else. Not like our president who called all Mexicans rapist and murderers. I hope Maher's apology is heartfelt and accepted but I don't believe it should be career ending for god's sake.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
58. You do know that others understood it - but still thought it sucked?
Sun Jun 4, 2017, 09:04 AM
Jun 2017

Like you get hat, right? It seems like some are assuming if they write enough paragraphs people will abandon their feeling about it being problematic. Which is really odd.

metroins

(2,550 posts)
117. The funny part
Sun Jun 4, 2017, 05:53 PM
Jun 2017

Is a person insinuating you should be working harder, but they know you're above that.

SunSeeker

(51,559 posts)
3. I'm guessing Maher is not getting any defense on Free Republic.
Sun Jun 4, 2017, 12:08 AM
Jun 2017

The right is milking this for all it's worth.

babylonsister

(171,066 posts)
4. No it's not. Maher fucked up and apologized.
Sun Jun 4, 2017, 12:19 AM
Jun 2017

Love him or hate him, he's also told the truth many times, so I want to continue seeing his shows.

captain queeg

(10,198 posts)
5. I remember when Politically Incorrect got cancelled
Sun Jun 4, 2017, 12:23 AM
Jun 2017

I didn't see the crack that got him in trouble now, but I remember that show he used to have getting cancelled for something he said. It was right after 9/11 when anyone who wasn't on board with the party line was treated like a traitor. Can't remember the exact wording, but it was something like the hijackers were courageous and gave their lives for their beliefs while the US fired a few cruise missiles from hundreds of miles away, not very courageous. Had to admit that was true, but turned out to be an unacceptable thing to say and he got canned. So, like I said, didn't see this joke, but that's part of his shtick; saying outrageous things.

TheBlackAdder

(28,201 posts)
36. And he'll get forced out, in the start of the Second 8-Year Republican presidency too.
Sun Jun 4, 2017, 07:30 AM
Jun 2017

.

Perhaps the Vice TV show will go to, since he is one of the producers.


I see a lot of Democrats falling in line with the GOP talking points. Maher has always been a thorn in the side of the Republican party, more so than Democratic party. Yet, like good Democrats, many are easily led into a reactive purity test to purge and silence their own. The people on reddit and 4chan are laughing their asses off right now. These little acts of division, which were partially flamed from reddit and 4chan, help to promote an 8-year Republican presidency.

.

chillfactor

(7,576 posts)
6. would everyone PLEASE get off maher and griffin..
Sun Jun 4, 2017, 12:26 AM
Jun 2017

people have died in Manchester, the orange one is a maniac, problems all over the world, and DUers going nuts over maher and griffin.....for god's sake give it a rest already!

Leith

(7,809 posts)
12. Thank You!
Sun Jun 4, 2017, 01:02 AM
Jun 2017

How many threads are there already on this subject? How many more do people think we need?

the worst part is that everyone is ignoring the final few minutes of the show: rethugs are vicious and fight like angry badgers. Democrats fight like it's a Sunday school picnic.

Can we just quit beating up on our allies? Nobody gives a shit whether so-and-so like whats-his-name or what hoozits said about something. We're bickering among ourselves while the real enemy is egging us on and laughing.

If someone doesn't like Maher or Griffin, nobody is forcing them watch them. Or we could open 20 more threads on the same subject just to get it out of our system.

LeftyMom

(49,212 posts)
18. Have the Republicans not provided an object lesson in the dangers of failing to police one's own?
Sun Jun 4, 2017, 03:05 AM
Jun 2017

Not that I really want to call that asshole our own. But some of you do for some fucking reason, so go get your boy.

Squinch

(50,949 posts)
29. YES! THIS! People correctly said, "hey, that's racist asshole!" He said, "yes, it was! Sorry."
Sun Jun 4, 2017, 06:52 AM
Jun 2017

And now he won't be doing THAT again.

Mission accomplished.

TheBlackAdder

(28,201 posts)
54. HuffPo and others have articles about calling for his removal from HBO, and many are not GOPers.
Sun Jun 4, 2017, 08:57 AM
Jun 2017

.

Folks with HBO subscriptions might want to call, if they want to keep him around.

.

TheBlackAdder

(28,201 posts)
67. Oh, there are a few here saying that Maher needs to go away.
Sun Jun 4, 2017, 09:22 AM
Jun 2017

.

It's sitting right on the main page:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/people-want-bill-maher-fired_us_5932b1efe4b0c242ca246bf5?dds&ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009


Google is your friend for the others. I come across them in passing, I'm not data mining to substantiate the obvious.

.

Squinch

(50,949 posts)
78. LOL! You KNOW that's lame. A columnist saying, "people want bill maher fired" is the same
Sun Jun 4, 2017, 09:49 AM
Jun 2017

as all the hair-on-fire defenders here of the racial slur (that Maher himself has denounced) who are saying people on DU have called for him to be fired.

I still haven't seen anyone who is actually saying that they want him fired.

But you guys WILL insist on the drama mongering.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
81. That article made me wonder - would it be such a great loss if he was cancelled?
Sun Jun 4, 2017, 09:53 AM
Jun 2017

And I'm thinking, bit really. Especially since it apparently had thousands thinking its edgy or cool to talk like that.
I'd love to take em up to the Bronx and watch em talk like that. Now that would be funny.

Squinch

(50,949 posts)
87. No. Anything that portrayed real life in the Bronx would send Trump cowering under the sofa.
Sun Jun 4, 2017, 10:09 AM
Jun 2017

As it should. And I'd enjoy watching that too!

Response to Squinch (Reply #87)

Squinch

(50,949 posts)
91. The conversation here is about taking Maher, or those who thought Maher's slur was edgy, up to the
Sun Jun 4, 2017, 10:16 AM
Jun 2017

Bronx and having them talk "edgy" like that. And watching the fallout. Which would be hilarious.

I think you are having another conversation.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
94. And friendly interview w Milo the white nationalists sexist piece of shit.
Sun Jun 4, 2017, 10:19 AM
Jun 2017

And all the Muslim bashing. Yeah, maybe it feels wrong in the current climate. None of that shit was funny.

Lisa0825

(14,487 posts)
8. It's not the first time he has fucked up. I used to be a big fan.
Sun Jun 4, 2017, 12:36 AM
Jun 2017

Now, I just watch the highlights now and then, but I don't like him overall.

blue-wave

(4,353 posts)
9. What about
Sun Jun 4, 2017, 12:38 AM
Jun 2017

forgiving a fellow progressive when they make a mistake? Repukes are really good at this. They stick together and win elections.

I want to see democrats starting to unite after an inner-party squabble. Let's sharpen our sights and grow a pair so that we start winning elections. They say that "politics makes strange bedfellows." I don't have to like everything everyone says or even part of what they say. But if he's on my side, our side, he's still a friend.

Yes, Maher should know our disgust and even be taken out to the woodshed. But how far should we go in punishing one of our own? Push to have his show cancelled?

LeftyMom

(49,212 posts)
19. He's not a progressive. He rejects science, he's a bigot, he's none too fond of women,
Sun Jun 4, 2017, 03:09 AM
Jun 2017

he's friends with ANN FUCKING COULTER, he worships at the feet of Sam Harris (another bigot) and oh yeah, he uses the fucking N word. a

But he makes fun of some dumb religious people and he likes weed so utter morons think he's on their side.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
27. Basically all of this. I don't care if others watch him but he's not a real liberal- he spends much
Sun Jun 4, 2017, 06:42 AM
Jun 2017

Time trashing liberals. Fuck that.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
24. What I'm not forgiving is the excuses made here and condescending crap.
Sun Jun 4, 2017, 06:33 AM
Jun 2017

People are talking to others as if they believe they don't know what's going on In the world- or as if they can't hold two ideas in their head at once? WTF - is THAT solidarity? Nope, it's silencing the best allies Dems have,
Get over it, he's barely progressive and lots of people just tolerate his ass. He fucked up. Acknowledge it and stop asking people to pretend it's okay. It's not.

Squinch

(50,949 posts)
30. The only people who have even raised the possibility of getting his show cancelled are his defenders
Sun Jun 4, 2017, 06:54 AM
Jun 2017

who are screaming about people trying to get his show cancelled, which no one is doing.

No one else has even mentioned getting him fired.

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
106. Meeting their low standards is no way to win
Sun Jun 4, 2017, 11:55 AM
Jun 2017

I think the better question is how low should our expectations be just because someone spouts a few talking points that are favorable to Democrats.
The GOP hit a new low. Lets not try to join them.

cloudythescribbler

(2,586 posts)
11. I gather you despised Bill Maher before this controversy -- I'd be interested in those specifics
Sun Jun 4, 2017, 12:55 AM
Jun 2017

The issue of the use of the n-word by whites is admittedly always problematic, tho not always treated consistently in the political arena of progressives. I myself absolutely shy away from any utterance of the word, both for moral reasons as well as personal, but in fact there are at least two other examples that should be remembered here.

First, there was a huge controversy when John Lennon (who maybe you think was also a punk but I really admire) and his song in the early 70s that used the n-word ("Woman is the n-word of the world&quot Many on the left were piling on him until Congressman Dellums defended that particular use and the controversy faded (altho I have no doubt there are many who would never forgive him for it, and perhaps not even someone like me for continuing to admire him greatly -- but not uncritically on a range of concerns, as with anyone -- to this day).

A second example was by Bill Maher himself, and he had Spike Lee (I gather that they at least somewhat know each other personally). Spike Lee seemed at least by implication sort of dared Bill Maher to say the n-word in his challenge, so Bill Maher said it several times in succession and Spike Lee remarked that it seemed to come easily off his tongue. My recollection of every particular may not be perfect -- perhaps you could find it on the web somewhere -- but Bill Maher using the word that way in a conversation w/Spike Lee and there being no controversy about it to speak of is definitely accurate.

Why? Well, in this case he was speaking with Sen Sasse, not Spike Lee, which really does make a big difference; but in general I feel that there are other factors that create a range of incliniations and opportunities. I do not completely agree with everything that Bill Maher says about Islam, but on the other had he does make some important valid points most progressives prefer to avoid or downplay. He does overstate his case in some crucial respects but I would NOT call him an "islamaphobe",mobilizing a cultural nightstick to categorically handle any ideological deviation on certain sensitive issues.

Bill Maher presses the envelope on just these kinds of sensitive issues, and here he messed up and apologized. But while say, the absence anywhere on the web of the lyrics to the famous 80s song about how "they take the diamonds out of the mines, and throw the corpses in, with one crop as good as the other, as the profits keep rolling in", or of Dennis Brutus poem "There will be ample provision for the elite" (which is NOW findable but for many years wasn't) and much else -- NO ONE focuses on these things, or on how the voter suppression issues raised by Greg Palast regarding the 2016 elections have hardly been addressed in the MSM, even only mildly on DU. It's just so easy and not really threatening anything important in the system to go on about supposed Islamaphobia or the use of the N-word by someone like Bill Maher. In that sense I see immense hypocrisy and moral laziness, which no one does anything about

Sometimes Bill Maher says things that make me cringe -- even more than that very cringeworthy comment. But I do watch his show and find a lot in it that is worthwhile

SaschaHM

(2,897 posts)
13. Please.
Sun Jun 4, 2017, 01:08 AM
Jun 2017

DU would rather run Corey Booker down over saying "Let's have an investigation" than lift a finger over Maher saying "House N*gger". It's disheartening, but it is what it is. Let's just hope the attitude on DU doesn't get adopted by Democratic Politicians.

OnDoutside

(19,956 posts)
15. Democratic politician says let's not rush to judgement
Sun Jun 4, 2017, 02:45 AM
Jun 2017

about someone who he has taken large sums of campaign donations from, versus life long liberal talk show host says a stupid and insensitive word while laying into lying Republican politician. Neither are right, but let's not descend into false equivalencies.

SaschaHM

(2,897 posts)
16. It's not a false equivalency.
Sun Jun 4, 2017, 02:53 AM
Jun 2017

Neither are right, but DU only is concerned about running down and condemning one.

OnDoutside

(19,956 posts)
17. Go back through the threads, that's not the case.
Sun Jun 4, 2017, 03:03 AM
Jun 2017

If Chris Murphy had taken large campaign donations from Kushner, and then meekly came out to say we should not rush to judgement, what would your response have been ? It just doesn't look good. If you think people have gone after Corey on this site because he is a person of color, then it's hard to find the words to respond to you.

SaschaHM

(2,897 posts)
20. At no point did I say people have gone after Corey because he is a PoC.
Sun Jun 4, 2017, 03:11 AM
Jun 2017

The intensity of reactions on DU to 2 wrongs is just startling. DU is never going to condemn a liberal/progressive over issues of race no matter how wrong they were. It's always going to be "Let's ignore this and get Trump" as if we can't walk and chew gum at the same time. Something that we are capable of doing when it's time to drag a Democrat that we don't like.

OnDoutside

(19,956 posts)
23. Then why bring Corey into this thread, if it wasn't to draw
Sun Jun 4, 2017, 05:57 AM
Jun 2017

a contrast in a thread castigating someone for the use of a racist word ?

Look if you believe that Maher is a racist, rather than a liberal who used a racist word he wrongly used to make a point to a member of a racist party, then that's your opinion.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
26. Because people baselessly attacked him and no one said -STFu, let's focus on Trump...
Sun Jun 4, 2017, 06:40 AM
Jun 2017

And funny because bots - and RT and Greenwald, TYT are all pushing divisive bullshit against Booker which is HOW WE GOT TRUMP!

Yet people here suddenly forget that.

 

LBM20

(1,580 posts)
35. There are always a variety of opinions. That's Democracy. Most people here like Booker a lot. On
Sun Jun 4, 2017, 07:15 AM
Jun 2017

Maher, he made a mistake and has apologized. It is wrong to crucify a person's entire life and character over a slip. Context is important. He was making a satirical joke in reaction to what Sasse said. Racially charged language is used in song lyrics, poetry, theater, other dramatizations, etc. in order to bring light to the social issues surrounding it. In the past it was OFTEN used in comedy, for example by Richard Pryor who used the N-word constantly. There are many other examples. Maher is a comedian. Put it in context. He made an error, and he has apologized.

 

JTFrog

(14,274 posts)
73. Most of the people you are dismissing as "cruicifying a person's entire life and character"
Sun Jun 4, 2017, 09:40 AM
Jun 2017

are actually commenting on more than this one "slip". But his defenders want to ignore that. But I will say this, just because you do a racist thing, doesn't mean you are a racist. He did a racist thing. People shouldn't be defending it. It wasn't a "slip". It was fucked up and many people are reacting because they are familiar with his bigotry.

I will also say that just because he apologized doesn't mean he should automatically be forgiven. Let people vent. This isn't a minor issue.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
79. You really don't get that people don't want to go back to shittier less progress eras?
Sun Jun 4, 2017, 09:49 AM
Jun 2017

Ah the rape joke of the 70's- 80s- will they make a comback too? And if course all the dumb _____, ones.
Ah those were good times eh, where everyone had to pretend that that shit was funny! No one complained! /S

They didn't dare.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
96. Except the Milo interview, Muslim bashing, LGBT bashing...
Sun Jun 4, 2017, 10:21 AM
Jun 2017

See all that's not so "edgy" these days-it's depressing.

 

joeybee12

(56,177 posts)
40. ffs, I'm not a fan but he's a comedian
Sun Jun 4, 2017, 07:43 AM
Jun 2017

They're supposed to test boundaries and push buttons. And often they misfire. I never watch him because I don't think he's that great. But this is ridiculous

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
72. I feel like I should make a metaphorical statement involving and animal too!
Sun Jun 4, 2017, 09:39 AM
Jun 2017

To keep this going. Hmmm.


Mahers kind of a pig, so IDGAF about his show.

Goodheart

(5,324 posts)
59. I defend him. Enthusiastically.
Sun Jun 4, 2017, 09:07 AM
Jun 2017

He's the most rational political commentator on TV, and these attempts to label him as a racist are disgraceful.

Orrex

(63,213 posts)
64. He should stop making racist statements, then.
Sun Jun 4, 2017, 09:19 AM
Jun 2017

And maybe he could stop with the misogyny, sexism, transphobia and endorsement of child rape while he's posing as the most rational political commentator on TV.


At the same time, I appreciate the overly generous praise you've given him, because it handily destroys his fans' frequent claim that he's "just a comedian."

Goodheart

(5,324 posts)
66. He didn't make a racist statement.
Sun Jun 4, 2017, 09:22 AM
Jun 2017

He made a joke. He apologized that his joke offended people.

I certainly see him as more than a comedian. He's an important commentator. I can also see that most of your post is baloney.


Orrex

(63,213 posts)
74. Yeah, his fans always say that
Sun Jun 4, 2017, 09:41 AM
Jun 2017

One smirking "apology" and all is forgiven.

Since you didn't address his long history of misogyny, sexism, transphoba, racism or endorsement of child rape, I conclude either that you're ok with these behaviors in your favorite important commentator.

Your response is baloney.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
68. Yes! It's odd how I'm reading he's just a comedian and then a post or
Sun Jun 4, 2017, 09:23 AM
Jun 2017

Two later I'm reading about how important and culturally significant he is. It's one of the other, people. Not both.

It matters to me and many I know and love, so they won't "logic me into" feeling different about it.

Goodheart

(5,324 posts)
70. Who here has said he's "just" a comedian?
Sun Jun 4, 2017, 09:34 AM
Jun 2017

and who made up your rule, anyway, that comedians can't be culturally significant?



 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
71. Loads of people. " Just a joke" "what he does is so important"
Sun Jun 4, 2017, 09:37 AM
Jun 2017

It's really been a heap of contradictions, LOL.

Orrex

(63,213 posts)
82. That must be convenient
Sun Jun 4, 2017, 09:53 AM
Jun 2017

When the comedian happens to piss off Conservatives, then he's an important political commentator.

When the important political commentator reveals the disgusting truth of his character, then he's just a comedian.


I wish I had a get-out-of-accountability-free card like that.

Exilednight

(9,359 posts)
85. That's one of the most ignorant things I have read. Tons of comedians are culturally
Sun Jun 4, 2017, 10:05 AM
Jun 2017

significant.

The Smothers Brothers, George Carlin, Jon Stewart, Stephen Colbert; all comedians who at one time or another said somethimg to upset people's sensibilities.

If you're going to throw Maher under the bus, then at least have the honest intelligence to hold everyone to the same standard.


 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
92. Then why are so many people saying "it's just a joke"? It's inconsistent reasoning...
Sun Jun 4, 2017, 10:17 AM
Jun 2017

FWIW I always thought of him as a humorous pundit/ talk show host- not an artist of any kind. I guess because he pontificates so frequently. And I never saw him as that significant- no where close to ANY of the names you listed. So it's weird finding out he's so siginificsnt to a lot of people. Hmm. Not my fave by a long shot.

Orrex

(63,213 posts)
105. Would it have been a joke if Bill O'Reilly had said it?
Sun Jun 4, 2017, 11:50 AM
Jun 2017

Keep in mind, O'Reilly has a long history of sexism, misogyny, racism and transphobia.

Of course, so does Maher, and Maher has endorsed child rape.


So why does Maher get a pass for this "joke" exactly?

Exilednight

(9,359 posts)
108. Does O'Reilly consider himself a comedian.
Sun Jun 4, 2017, 12:23 PM
Jun 2017

I just watched the Maher clip, and I found his response to be well projected towards the person he said it to.

He called a racist a racist by using a word in public that his we all know his guest uses in private. What really bothered me, is the fact that an elected official laughed at a joke that called him racist.

Orrex

(63,213 posts)
93. No problem!
Sun Jun 4, 2017, 10:19 AM
Jun 2017

"If you're going to throw Maher under the bus, then at least have the honest intelligence to hold everyone to the same standard."

I will be happy to do so. Please show us where Carlin, Stewart and Colbert have demonstrated a years-long history of misogyny, transphobia, sexism, racism and endorsement of child rape. After you have done so, I will be happy to hold each of them to the same standard.

J0D

(24 posts)
121. I actually made a big mistake..
Wed Jun 7, 2017, 04:57 PM
Jun 2017

I'm new to this forum, and I think I posted a reply to the wrong reply?
Sorry.

J0D

(24 posts)
122. I mirror the same opinion as Kevin Hart
Wed Jun 7, 2017, 05:00 PM
Jun 2017

Kevin Hart criticized Bill Maher for his use of the N-word, telling the hosts of "The Breakfast Club" radio show that the use of the slur was "tacky."


"It's not right to say that and say it the way you said it as comfortable as you said it in a joking form," he said. "You're wrong. Granted, you can issue all the apologies you want, but for you to say it on your platform? That's tacky. That's tacky."

He did add that it would be wrong to classify Maher as a racist because of the joke. "I've seen Bill Maher come to the defense of black people on several occasions -- that's a bad judgment -- granted, I don't think Bill Maher's a racist," he said.



[link:http://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/news/kevin-hart-says-bill-maher-isn%e2%80%99t-racist-just-%e2%80%98tacky%e2%80%99/ar-BBCbW5i?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=BHEA000|

And I like what Exiled Knight had to say.





 

beachbum bob

(10,437 posts)
77. since when should we get all bent out of shape for what a comedian says...George Carlin and Richard
Sun Jun 4, 2017, 09:47 AM
Jun 2017

Pryer are laughing their asses off at all those who are hand wringing over Maher and Griffin...good grief we have REAL F*CKING issues to be concerned about

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
88. But why are people insisting his show is so important and saying this too?
Sun Jun 4, 2017, 10:09 AM
Jun 2017

It doesn't compute. If he's really that influential then maybe what he says matters a lot?

 

JTFrog

(14,274 posts)
80. "Bill Maher is Ann Coulter with shorter hair":
Sun Jun 4, 2017, 09:52 AM
Jun 2017

Bill Maher's use of 'N-word' is no joke

By Dean Obeidallah
Updated 10:59 PM ET, Sat June 3, 2017

(CNN) Bill Maher is Ann Coulter with shorter hair: They both say outrageous and even hateful things to get press in a desperate effort to remain relevant.

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This was truly white privilege on parade. You have Maher and a white Republican senator yucking it up over a racial epithet and the plight of slaves. And just so it's clear, despite not working in the fields, "house slaves" were still slaves and were often abused, raped or killed by slave masters.

Maher finally apologized on Saturday afternoon writing, "I regret the word I used in the banter of a live moment. The word was offensive and I regret saying it and I'm very sorry."

But his apology only came after a deluge of criticism. DeRay Mckesson, a prominent activist for the Black Lives Matter movement, tweeted, "But really, @BillMaher has got to go. There are no explanations that make this acceptable."
And the African-American centric publication The Root tweeted: "Bill Maher is a white habitual line-stepper, and his show needs to be canceled after this latest stunt"...

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You have to wonder if it weren't for this uproar, would Maher have apologized. After all he told us in his 2012 New York Times op-ed titled "Please stop apologizing" that America needs to stop the faux outrage over celebrity remarks. Maher wrote, "Let's have an amnesty -- from the left and the right -- on every made-up, fake, totally insincere, playacted hurt, insult, slight and affront."

On some level Maher is right -- we do have too much faux outrage over minor things, but this isn't one of those cases. A white comedian co-opting the horrific suffering of slaves for a joke and for some media attention is not a "fake" slight.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/03/opinions/bill-maher-n-word-not-funny-obeidallah/index.html

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Exilednight

(9,359 posts)
86. One big difference
Sun Jun 4, 2017, 10:07 AM
Jun 2017

Coulter believes everything she says.

Maher knows that 50% of what he says is just pure bullshit.

 

FreeStateDemocrat

(2,654 posts)
103. He has always been an asshole but now he's a pathetic distraction from the real problem in DC.
Sun Jun 4, 2017, 11:38 AM
Jun 2017

We need to move on, he has no power other than giving cover to the Asshole-in-Chief!

FarPoint

(12,393 posts)
104. Way too many troll Bots infiltrating us...
Sun Jun 4, 2017, 11:42 AM
Jun 2017

That said...Bill Maher...He's fine as far as I'm concerned...I am a adult and know the difference.

Vinca

(50,273 posts)
116. Sorry, I like him and he does have the distinction of being a comedian who was
Sun Jun 4, 2017, 05:38 PM
Jun 2017

sued by Trump and during the proceeding Trump had to produce a birth certificate proving he wasn't the product of an orangutan. Cut him a break. Everyone has said something stupid or offensive at some point in their lives.

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