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A Tea Partier and a Taliban terrorist bump into each other... (Original Post) krispos42 Jul 2012 OP
hard to tell the difference isn't it cindyperry2010 Jul 2012 #1
Only one difference: the religion that justifies the brutality meow2u3 Jul 2012 #2
Which one is that? hobbit709 Jul 2012 #4
Onward Christian Soldiers BlueToTheBone Jul 2012 #5
I took that post as saying the only difference is the *name* of the religion. NYC Liberal Jul 2012 #11
Oh, as in "it's" BlueToTheBone Jul 2012 #15
Not surprising as they're both from Abraham Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2012 #19
Ugh, we were forced to sing that song every morning Live and Learn Jul 2012 #16
Agreed and Welcome BlueToTheBone Jul 2012 #35
Qu'est-ce que la difference? HughBeaumont Jul 2012 #6
Very true. In addition, history is loaded with bloodshed, Daphne08 Jul 2012 #42
You aren't referring to the guy who killed Dr. Tiller are you? Motown_Johnny Jul 2012 #10
Uh, what difference? aquart Jul 2012 #17
I agree. The religion that Bush used as guidance when he brutally murdered a hundred rhett o rick Jul 2012 #20
Ha ha ha! Good one! Arugula Latte Jul 2012 #24
Thats awesome, love it. skydive forever Jul 2012 #3
well, neither sign belongs to the Tea Partier NewJeffCT Jul 2012 #7
true cindyperry2010 Jul 2012 #8
*snort* krispos42 Jul 2012 #9
LOL…a non-English speaker would definitely spell better than a 'bagger. NYC Liberal Jul 2012 #12
Honestly, nobody at DU should jump on anyone for spelling. aquart Jul 2012 #18
I agree on that NewJeffCT Jul 2012 #22
Can't argue with that. It's true. patrice Jul 2012 #13
Ha! Thats a keeper! nt raouldukelives Jul 2012 #14
And the result of either of them gaining power Curmudgeoness Jul 2012 #21
Excellent amuse bouche Jul 2012 #23
Video: Taliban shoot woman 9 times in public execution as men cheer Flatulo Jul 2012 #25
They don't do it here because of our secular law. MrSlayer Jul 2012 #26
If they kill a woman's doctor so she can't have an abortion, and then... Amonester Jul 2012 #31
Agreed. MrSlayer Jul 2012 #32
I don't see where anyone's saying there is no difference, only that they ARE similar in certain ways patrice Jul 2012 #27
The cartoon in the OP indicates that there is no difference whatsoever. Flatulo Jul 2012 #36
That cartoon says NOTHING about difference one way or the other. That's YOUR addition to it. patrice Jul 2012 #40
That's the joke - each character is toting an assault rifle, a religious text, Flatulo Jul 2012 #41
That's because they are both the same. One is coming at their hatred from a fraudulent Christian Suji to Seoul Jul 2012 #44
Hello...hello....Mcpatrice... Guitarzan Jul 2012 #45
Awful. Shameful. There are no words. Amonester Jul 2012 #29
Extremism is extremism pwhtckll Jul 2012 #28
Prophecy: God will kill all the bad people. ErikJ Jul 2012 #30
Militants hang 8-year-old boy in southern Afghanistan Flatulo Jul 2012 #33
awww... are DUers being mean to the reich wing? fascisthunter Jul 2012 #37
Someone alerted on this BTW 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #38
Yeah, it's totally different. JoeyT Jul 2012 #39
Look, I'm an atheist and think all religions are ridiculous, Flatulo Jul 2012 #46
And what's the difference between the Taliban and JoeyT Jul 2012 #47
You must know different Christians than I do. Flatulo Jul 2012 #48
I probably do know different ones. JoeyT Jul 2012 #49
K&R! butterfly77 Jul 2012 #34
I've been calling them Teabag Jihadists for years Suji to Seoul Jul 2012 #43

meow2u3

(24,764 posts)
2. Only one difference: the religion that justifies the brutality
Sun Jul 8, 2012, 09:08 AM
Jul 2012

Other than that, violent extremism is violent extremism, and should be treated as such.

BlueToTheBone

(3,747 posts)
5. Onward Christian Soldiers
Sun Jul 8, 2012, 09:29 AM
Jul 2012

marching as to war. With the cross of Jesus....

That religion that justifies brutality?

NYC Liberal

(20,136 posts)
11. I took that post as saying the only difference is the *name* of the religion.
Sun Jul 8, 2012, 11:18 AM
Jul 2012

That they're both the same save for the name.

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
16. Ugh, we were forced to sing that song every morning
Sun Jul 8, 2012, 03:10 PM
Jul 2012

before chapel at my grade school. Still remember all the words. What an awful song to teach children.

HughBeaumont

(24,461 posts)
6. Qu'est-ce que la difference?
Sun Jul 8, 2012, 10:03 AM
Jul 2012

Christians haven't a lot of room to talk . . . The Bible is loaded with bloodshed and their symbol is a device of torture and execution.

Daphne08

(3,058 posts)
42. Very true. In addition, history is loaded with bloodshed,
Mon Jul 9, 2012, 02:42 AM
Jul 2012

torture and execution -- all in the name of Christianity.

aquart

(69,014 posts)
17. Uh, what difference?
Sun Jul 8, 2012, 03:17 PM
Jul 2012

There are Muslims who believe they practice a faith of peace. There are Christians who believe the same. And then there are the Inquisition followers and the witch burners who also considered themselves devout Christians.

A religion is what you make of it. If you make a bloody mess, don't blame the faith because you got it wrong.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
20. I agree. The religion that Bush used as guidance when he brutally murdered a hundred
Sun Jul 8, 2012, 03:35 PM
Jul 2012

thousand Iraqi children. And those religious that stood behind him all the way.

 

MrSlayer

(22,143 posts)
26. They don't do it here because of our secular law.
Sun Jul 8, 2012, 06:03 PM
Jul 2012

If the über Christians could do it here, they would. No doubt.

Amonester

(11,541 posts)
31. If they kill a woman's doctor so she can't have an abortion, and then...
Sun Jul 8, 2012, 06:15 PM
Jul 2012

if she goes out alone in a dark alley in despair, and dies after trying to do it herself, they are as guilty.

patrice

(47,992 posts)
27. I don't see where anyone's saying there is no difference, only that they ARE similar in certain ways
Sun Jul 8, 2012, 06:06 PM
Jul 2012
 

Flatulo

(5,005 posts)
36. The cartoon in the OP indicates that there is no difference whatsoever.
Sun Jul 8, 2012, 08:12 PM
Jul 2012

That's just too over the top for me to not comment.

patrice

(47,992 posts)
40. That cartoon says NOTHING about difference one way or the other. That's YOUR addition to it.
Mon Jul 9, 2012, 12:25 AM
Jul 2012

If friends are talking about two cars, saying they are similar in traits a, b, and c, do you assume that they are the same make?

If I say my house has 3 bedrooms, is blue, and single story and your house has 3 bedrooms, is blue, and single story, do you assume that our houses are identical, that there is no difference between them?

No you don't. You don't make that kind of logical error in lots of other situations, so why are you doing it now?

 

Flatulo

(5,005 posts)
41. That's the joke - each character is toting an assault rifle, a religious text,
Mon Jul 9, 2012, 01:04 AM
Jul 2012

and is misogonyst. You *can't* tell what belongs to who.

That's the joke. You can't distinguish between the characters. When there is no way to distinguish between two things, then those things are the same.

 

Suji to Seoul

(2,035 posts)
44. That's because they are both the same. One is coming at their hatred from a fraudulent Christian
Mon Jul 9, 2012, 06:23 AM
Jul 2012

POV while the other comes at their hatred from a fraudulent Islamic POV.

Each loves their gun, their holy book and hates women and homosexuals. Are you too blind not to see?

Guitarzan

(7 posts)
45. Hello...hello....Mcpatrice...
Mon Jul 9, 2012, 07:15 AM
Jul 2012

Really!?.....the PUNCH LINE has to be explained to you? And the "logical error" thang, Ur crackin me up! Tell the truth...Ur from Okleehomee huh?!!!

pwhtckll

(72 posts)
28. Extremism is extremism
Sun Jul 8, 2012, 06:07 PM
Jul 2012

There was a time in the 1980s when both right-wing and left-wing terrorists trained side-by-side at the same camps in Lebanon's Beqaa Valley. Thirty years later, I wouldn't be surprised to find the anti-government right-wing militias from the US training alongside the Taliban at camps in some failed state somewhere.

 

ErikJ

(6,335 posts)
30. Prophecy: God will kill all the bad people.
Sun Jul 8, 2012, 06:14 PM
Jul 2012

This is from the Annotated Skeptics Bible. m

Behold, the people shall rise up as a great lion, and lift up himself as a young lion: he shall not lie down until he eat of the prey, and drink the blood of the slain.--Num.23:24

But you ask me what the scariest things are in Christianity: this infatuation with biblical prophecy and this notion that Jesus is going to come back as an avenging savior to kill all the bad people. -- Sam Harris, Beliefnet inverview

JoeyT

(6,785 posts)
39. Yeah, it's totally different.
Sun Jul 8, 2012, 10:52 PM
Jul 2012

Christians would never hang someone.



Or y'know, use an example of Muslim extremists killing thousands of people to kill hundreds of thousands of people.

 

Flatulo

(5,005 posts)
46. Look, I'm an atheist and think all religions are ridiculous,
Mon Jul 9, 2012, 12:02 PM
Jul 2012

but to compare today's Christian right, by way of a facile analogy to violent racist acts that happened here 50 years ago, with the current scourge of radical Islam practiced by the Taliban, who slaughter women and children and poison whole villages because they accepted American assistance, really, really, is ridiculous and makes DU look foolish.

I will continue to point out such ridulous bullshit.

JoeyT

(6,785 posts)
47. And what's the difference between the Taliban and
Wed Jul 11, 2012, 08:46 AM
Jul 2012

today's Christian right? One has a secular government that won't let them get away with that shit. They're not morally superior, they're just afraid of going to jail.

I can take you to towns here where an "Atheist" shirt would get you beaten or killed, and that's because the local cops wouldn't do anything about it.

 

Flatulo

(5,005 posts)
48. You must know different Christians than I do.
Wed Jul 11, 2012, 10:48 AM
Jul 2012

The religious nuts I know are utterly harmless, other than the occasional attempt to save my heathen ass. Surprisingly, a lot of them are engineers and scientists like me. The main difference is that they completely and utterly believe that Jesus is actually coming back. Then again, I live near Boston, so everyone tends to behave up here.

The Taliban, on the other hand, are savage, misogynistic, boy buggering animals living at least 1000 years behind the rest of the world. They're tribal by nature, and have no moral compass whatsoever. They're actually terribly inbred, which has created quite a mess gene-pool wise.

At least our fundies don't fuck their sons and daughters.

You might argue that the only difference is one of degree, but that's pretty big difference. A dog and a wolf look pretty similar, but not many people would put their hands in a wolfs mouth.

JoeyT

(6,785 posts)
49. I probably do know different ones.
Wed Jul 11, 2012, 07:44 PM
Jul 2012

"At least fundies don't fuck their sons and daughters." Again, you know different fundies from me. Everyone likes to joke about priests molesting kids, but it happens as often, probably more often, in rural fundamentalist churches. Think Warren Jeffs without the polygamy and with the cops on his side.

The degree isn't nearly as big as you think it is. It's a huge degree for you because you live in an area where they aren't allowed to get away with it. I don't argue the difference is degree, I argue the difference is opportunity. If the right wing zealots could get away with what the Taliban does, I have zero doubt they'd gleefully do it. It's not even a point that can really be argued against, because they've already done it. This isn't ancient history, most of DU was alive for the Textbook wars*. That didn't end until the government stepped in and stopped it. (It's also argued this event is one of the major starting points of the religious right in America)

Lest anyone think I mean Christians in general, I also know a lot of really good people that are Christians. They're also not insular nutty right wingers. It's the insular nutty right winginess that makes them vile people, not the Christian. It's the same thing that makes the Taliban vile.

*The Textbook Wars: http://americanradioworks.publicradio.org/features/textbooks/books_and_beliefs.html
And that link is actually extremely kind to the anti-textbook side. It neglects to mention Horan (The leader of the anti-textbook side) and some of his buddies were indicted for multiple bombings and a plot to wire bombs to the cars of parents who were driving their kids to school. That was the government stepping in and stopping it.

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