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65 years ago, today, an American phenomenon and obsession was born. (Original Post) Stinky The Clown Jul 2012 OP
miners and operators sign highest wage pact in history. unblock Jul 2012 #1
I was born that year. Webster Green Jul 2012 #2
Me too. kentuck Jul 2012 #18
Arms reductions IDemo Jul 2012 #3
"House Passes Tax Slash by Large Margin" BumRushDaShow Jul 2012 #4
The slinky? Play Dough? Easy Bake Oven? Pez Dispensers? Hoola Hoop? It's been almost 2on2u Jul 2012 #5
One of the most important Si Fi movie ever made. zeemike Jul 2012 #6
I totally agree gort Jul 2012 #8
2001: A Space Odyssey ananda Jul 2012 #9
True enough. zeemike Jul 2012 #13
And that was obviously Obama's fault doncha know, one of the best ST episodes in my opinion.... 2on2u Jul 2012 #17
And that movie was made well before Reagan's Star Wars program. zeemike Jul 2012 #21
You think "Avatar" or "District 9" or "V for Vendetta" BumRushDaShow Jul 2012 #10
True enough but violence was still the attraction. zeemike Jul 2012 #12
Sci Fi is a reflection of our existence BumRushDaShow Jul 2012 #22
Silent Running is one of my favorites zeemike Jul 2012 #27
if V for Vendetta a science fiction movie? hfojvt Jul 2012 #16
"V" takes place in a dystopian future BumRushDaShow Jul 2012 #23
I took it to be more of a dystopian present hfojvt Jul 2012 #26
How about hfojvt Jul 2012 #15
Never heard of Iron Giant and gave up on Star Trek long ago. zeemike Jul 2012 #20
get thee to a movie rental place then hfojvt Jul 2012 #25
American League Wins All Star Game? jberryhill Jul 2012 #7
It should be obvious .... Trajan Jul 2012 #11
Another reason to reelect Obama pwhtckll Jul 2012 #14
WAIT! Did anybody check page two to see if Obama's Drew Richards Jul 2012 #19
In 1947 I would have believed it. Of course, I believed in the Easter Bunny then. Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2012 #24

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
6. One of the most important Si Fi movie ever made.
Sun Jul 8, 2012, 09:59 AM
Jul 2012

I saw it as a kid in the theater...and remember they gave out cardboard robot masks as a promotion...wish the hell I would have saved it.
But the message was anti war and appealed to the intellectual solutions to our problems...something we could all use today.
Si Fi movies today all glorify war and conflict..and can't think of one that does not.

ananda

(28,866 posts)
9. 2001: A Space Odyssey
Sun Jul 8, 2012, 10:14 AM
Jul 2012

That one didn't have war, and the conflict was very intelligent
and ultimately cosmic and spiritual.

Also, many of the Star Trek episodes dealt with intelligent
and important themes which did not involve war, and even
the ones that did involve military type combat were not just
about that.

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
13. True enough.
Sun Jul 8, 2012, 10:52 AM
Jul 2012

But looking at it you can see the trend...Star Trek started as an exploration of the universe...but soon became war with the Klingons....and it became less of a voyage of discovery and more of a war ship.

 

2on2u

(1,843 posts)
17. And that was obviously Obama's fault doncha know, one of the best ST episodes in my opinion....
Sun Jul 8, 2012, 12:22 PM
Jul 2012
http://www.opengardensblog.futuretext.com/archives/2011/03/my-favourite-transhumanist-star-trek-episode-errand-of-mercy.html

>>This transhumanist vision of ultimate human evolution as pure energy was appealing to me even as a child and remains an interest with meditation as a transhumanist technology<<



zeemike

(18,998 posts)
21. And that movie was made well before Reagan's Star Wars program.
Sun Jul 8, 2012, 01:24 PM
Jul 2012

When space exploration was the main interest.

BumRushDaShow

(129,096 posts)
10. You think "Avatar" or "District 9" or "V for Vendetta"
Sun Jul 8, 2012, 10:19 AM
Jul 2012

were pro-war? Maybe you are confusing them with the X-Men & Terminator & Blade franchises?

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
12. True enough but violence was still the attraction.
Sun Jul 8, 2012, 10:48 AM
Jul 2012

But I only saw Avatar so I can't say for sure....but just look back in history to see the trend...What was Star Wars about?...Battlestar Galactica?...war on a Si Fi lever.
But even those with an anti war message have a lot of explosions and killing...it is like an addiction to violence and they think that all the watchers need that fix.

BumRushDaShow

(129,096 posts)
22. Sci Fi is a reflection of our existence
Sun Jul 8, 2012, 01:44 PM
Jul 2012

and offers commentary on the now and a potential future.

The 20th century U.S. was nothing but war after war after war and we continued that into the 21st. So much of the scifi of the mid-20th century was reflecting WWII and the atomic bomb. A kajillion B-movies came out in the 50s & 60s focusing on aftermath of the nuclear era on the animal kingdom.

I.e, your examples reflect the current environment and tend to take diverging paths to possible fictional "futures" (in the form of analogous beings called "humans" not from Earth).

I agree with the sentiment for an overuse of violence, but it seems Hollywood prefers to make scifi-themed movies into an "action" flick in order to gain coveted demographics. But then again, if you read scifi, alot of it is pretty violent itself - again reflecting the "now".

One scifi movie that I always liked was "Silent Running" which was an eco-themed film. And except for some parts, it did stray away from shoot-em-up style story-telling.

It's ironic that despite its popularity, a certain generation has denigrated shows like Star Trek (and most notably TNG) because of the focus on a "positive" but (to them) "sterile" future, without the "grit and grime" and other nonsense. But c'est la vie.

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
27. Silent Running is one of my favorites
Sun Jul 8, 2012, 02:35 PM
Jul 2012

And another one was Robinson Caruso on Mars...and then Slaughterhouse Five which was just great...but then look who wrote it.
So they know how to tell stories without the constant reliance on violence...they just chose not to.

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
16. if V for Vendetta a science fiction movie?
Sun Jul 8, 2012, 11:30 AM
Jul 2012

and Terminator is not really pro-war, except maybe the rage against the machines.

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
26. I took it to be more of a dystopian present
Sun Jul 8, 2012, 02:08 PM
Jul 2012

there really needs to be some aspect of technology in it for it to be science fiction. Androids, robots, space ships, time machines, laser pistols, teleportation devices, alien races, etc. A dystopian story is not science fiction unless it has a basis in technology or science, and I don't see that in V. In the virus, somewhat, but there is nothing particularly futuristic about that.

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
15. How about
Sun Jul 8, 2012, 11:28 AM
Jul 2012

The Iron Giant, Star Trek 4, Star Man, or Back to the Future?

Of course, I think 3 of those 4 are mid 1980s rather than "today".

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
20. Never heard of Iron Giant and gave up on Star Trek long ago.
Sun Jul 8, 2012, 01:12 PM
Jul 2012

The other two I saw and liked.
And maybe I did paint with a broad brush somewhat,,,there are still good SI FI movies made but mostly by the independents...Major studio productions are all war and violence all the time.

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
25. get thee to a movie rental place then
Sun Jul 8, 2012, 01:53 PM
Jul 2012

you are in for a treat.

then again, the Iron Giant IS a "big gun, that walks".

 

Trajan

(19,089 posts)
11. It should be obvious ....
Sun Jul 8, 2012, 10:47 AM
Jul 2012

The birth of the UFO phenomena at Roswell ..... None of the other stories carry the same weight ....

pwhtckll

(72 posts)
14. Another reason to reelect Obama
Sun Jul 8, 2012, 10:59 AM
Jul 2012

At least 65% of Americans think he will do better than Romeny at handling an invasion by space aliens.

Drew Richards

(1,558 posts)
19. WAIT! Did anybody check page two to see if Obama's
Sun Jul 8, 2012, 12:39 PM
Jul 2012

Birth announcement accompanied the saucer report?

Cue: Lunatic Bagger Conspiracy number 157.

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