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WilliamPitt

(58,179 posts)
Sun Jul 8, 2012, 10:06 AM Jul 2012

Joseph Stiglitz: Jail the Bankers

Joseph Stiglitz: Man who ran World Bank calls for bankers to face the music
Joseph Stiglitz tells Ben Chu that rogue financiers have proven that regulation must get tougher

By Ben Chu
The Independent UK

The Barclays Libor scandal may have shocked the British public, but Joseph Stiglitz saw it coming decades ago. And he's convinced that jailing bankers is the best way to curb market abuses. A towering genius of economics, Stiglitz wrote a series of papers in the 1970s and 1980s explaining how when some individuals have access to privileged knowledge that others don't, free markets yield bad outcomes for wider society. That insight (known as the theory of "asymmetric information&quot won Stiglitz the Nobel Prize for economics in 2001. And he has leveraged those credentials relentlessly ever since to batter at the walls of "free market fundamentalism".

It is a crusade that has taken Stiglitz from Massachusetts Institute of Technology, to the Clinton White House, to the World Bank, to the Occupy Wall Street camp and now, to London, to promote his new book The Price of Inequality.

And kind fortune has engineered it so that Stiglitz's UK trip has coincided with a perfect example of the repellent consequences of asymmetric information.

When traders working for Barclays rigged the Libor interest rate and flogged toxic financial derivatives – using their privileged position in the financial system to make profits at the expense of their customers – they were unwittingly proving Stiglitz right.

The rest: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/analysis-and-features/joseph-stiglitz-man-who-ran-world-bank-calls-for-bankers-to-face-the-music-7902920.html
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Joseph Stiglitz: Jail the Bankers (Original Post) WilliamPitt Jul 2012 OP
"Next, politicians need to stop spending so much time listening to the financial lobby," It reveals midnight Jul 2012 #1
As I said in another couple of DU posts about this.......... socialist_n_TN Jul 2012 #2
I posted this reply already too on DU but it's too good.. canuckledragger Jul 2012 #4
"I don't call them 'bankers'... alterfurz Jul 2012 #5
EXACTLY Iggy Jul 2012 #27
Privileged knowledge has been a source of wealth since someone discovered how to make flint knives. FarCenter Jul 2012 #3
And you approve? WilliamPitt Jul 2012 #7
Privileged information has pretty much made the basis for Stiglitz' career FarCenter Jul 2012 #9
So that's a yes. WilliamPitt Jul 2012 #10
Whether you or I approve doesn't matter. One has to work with reality as it exists. FarCenter Jul 2012 #11
...or we can work to change 'reality' WilliamPitt Jul 2012 #12
No. The ability to trade on information not known to others is essential to the economy FarCenter Jul 2012 #14
"The ability to trade on information not known to others is essential to the economy" WilliamPitt Jul 2012 #15
. WilliamPitt Jul 2012 #16
.. WilliamPitt Jul 2012 #18
... WilliamPitt Jul 2012 #19
.... WilliamPitt Jul 2012 #21
Punk. WilliamPitt Jul 2012 #22
..... Electric Monk Jul 2012 #26
I Wasn't Aware Iggy Jul 2012 #28
"One has to work with reality as it exists." WilliamPitt Jul 2012 #13
Barkley's manipulations pretty much proved the idiotogy of the Free Market nt Trillo Jul 2012 #6
US Justice Dept signed an agreement with Barclays not to prosecute them Ichingcarpenter Jul 2012 #8
It's A Thing Of Wonder... No ??? WillyT Jul 2012 #17
Where did that document come from? WilliamPitt Jul 2012 #20
WOW!!! Does this prove Obama Admin collusion??!! What the fuck does this mean? riderinthestorm Jul 2012 #23
The source is real Ichingcarpenter Jul 2012 #24
Appendix A and Barclays supplementary information FarCenter Jul 2012 #25
I sincerely believe that these dodgy Banker scandals will continue Constituent Jul 2012 #29

midnight

(26,624 posts)
1. "Next, politicians need to stop spending so much time listening to the financial lobby," It reveals
Sun Jul 8, 2012, 11:13 AM
Jul 2012

their ignorance...

socialist_n_TN

(11,481 posts)
2. As I said in another couple of DU posts about this..........
Sun Jul 8, 2012, 11:50 AM
Jul 2012

(plus one facebook post), jail ain't enough. There needs to be fines that expropriate the ill gotten WEALTH of these scumbags. Hell, it's our money anyway, ESPECIALLY after '08.

 

Iggy

(1,418 posts)
27. EXACTLY
Sun Jul 8, 2012, 09:11 PM
Jul 2012

The amateur left here and elsewhere just don' get it.

MONEY is the only thing the wealthy class truly cares about. impact their wealth with fines and slow down their
ability to make a profit and you'll get their attention toot sweet.

 

FarCenter

(19,429 posts)
9. Privileged information has pretty much made the basis for Stiglitz' career
Sun Jul 8, 2012, 03:04 PM
Jul 2012

Access to information that others don't have, supplied by his employment/membership in various privileged institutions, undoubtedly enabled him to win the Nobel Memorial Prize in Economics. Had he stayed in Gary, IN and worked hard, it is doubtful that he would have succeeded to that extent.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Stiglitz

 

WilliamPitt

(58,179 posts)
12. ...or we can work to change 'reality'
Sun Jul 8, 2012, 04:28 PM
Jul 2012

i.e. the "Insiders Rule" rules. That's been going on for far too long, and if you're not feeling the pain from it, I envy you.

Either that, or we accept your version of 'reality' and surrender to the inevitable.

I refuse.

Care to join?

 

FarCenter

(19,429 posts)
14. No. The ability to trade on information not known to others is essential to the economy
Sun Jul 8, 2012, 05:01 PM
Jul 2012

Though you wouldn't know it from reading western economics, since they seemed to ignore centuries of trading by Southern European, Islamic, Indian, and Chinese cultures.

IIRC, not until the 1990s did US economists start to study how information and the associated technological change influenced the dynamic growth and change of the overall economy.

Which means that the classical economics of capitalism, communism, and socialism are pretty much BS.

 

WilliamPitt

(58,179 posts)
15. "The ability to trade on information not known to others is essential to the economy"
Sun Jul 8, 2012, 05:35 PM
Jul 2012

Jesus.

This will get alerted on, I'm sure. I devoutly hope it lasts long enough for you to read this: Fuck that, and fuck you for espousing it.

You can wrap your bullshit around poor interpretations of other economies, but the fact remains: the few in the know have been stealing from the most who don't. Period, end of file. Fact.

'FarCenter' assumes a deep adherence to the status quo. I'm no Marxist, but as Harry Truman once said, how many times do you have to be hit in the head before you turn around and see who's hitting you?

Letting the insiders do their thing because it's "essential to the economy" is, by far and away, the weakest shit I've ever read here, and I've been here for more than ten years.

"Which means that the classical economics of capitalism, communism, and socialism are pretty much BS. "

...which leaves you free to spout you support for the current vein of capitalism.

I call bullshit, and pray that the jury which reviews this agrees.

 

Iggy

(1,418 posts)
28. I Wasn't Aware
Sun Jul 8, 2012, 09:15 PM
Jul 2012

communism had actually been put into practice anywhere on a large scale.

I hope you're not referring to the old Soviet Union. hooooh baby! that was a real threat, eh?!

Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
8. US Justice Dept signed an agreement with Barclays not to prosecute them
Sun Jul 8, 2012, 02:02 PM
Jul 2012


Its as if a bank robber signs an agreement to pay Justice a cut in his robberies and gets off scott free.




Signed agreement stating DoJ will not prosecute Barclay's criminally for LIBOR manipulation, LIEBORGATE








http://www.corporatecrimereporter.com/documents/Barclaysagreement.pdf
 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
23. WOW!!! Does this prove Obama Admin collusion??!! What the fuck does this mean?
Sun Jul 8, 2012, 08:25 PM
Jul 2012




I can't even begin to understand why this Admin would agree to such a thing (except by going to my deeply cynical, suspicious dark side).

Constituent

(3 posts)
29. I sincerely believe that these dodgy Banker scandals will continue
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 09:12 AM
Jul 2012

A couple of years back, Directors of a business that about fifty people worked for (myself included), exploited their workers, by using holes in Employment law to withhold staff wages and ultimately cheat employees out of the money that they had worked hard to earn ( http://bobblackmanmp.info/ ).

Despite Employment Tribunals agreeing that staff were treated badly, the High Court said that they are powerless to help because their is noting stopping this in law, whilst the local MP wasn't interested in helping.

But, now, to rub salt in the wound, the local MP, and even Government officials simply try to kick the issue into the long grass, by claiming that it's not in the public interest to do anything about this matter, whilst refusing to have the Directors struck off, failing to introduce new laws to outlaw these kinds of sharp practices, and not even bothering to call for an inquiry into this scandal.

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