Criminals are always there trying to take advantage of any situation, the only way to stop them is to hold them accountable.

Justice is the cornerstone. People that commit crimes must be held accountable, no matter how much is in their bank accounts?

so we have to think outside the box

The legal system is now a complete sham, with people who steal bread in prison while those who steal millions are running the country. People who mention "Burning Bush" are sent to prison, while those who (successfully) encourage their zombies to shoot at doctors and Dem Congress walk free. So if we are to compete, the laws as they exist will not apply. Think of how Iraq and Viet Nam got the invaders out of their countries.

with some dems being complicit

... an AK47 or a T62 Battle Tank.


No, we're at war with a tiny handful of the world's wealthiest people. The Republican Party is just one of their armaments.

That the Republican Party is only an arm of the 1% ??

I am shocked that so many Republicans cannot see how they are used?

... and another 26% think they'll get there some day.



Perhaps that helps explain it. They simply don't know that they're losers in the sperm lottery.

Rules only apply when both parties agree to use them.

hence the 20 years of mayhem. I keep thinking we'll fight back. We never do (except for meaningless charades like OWS). as for what our response should be, it really seems crystal clear to me. Sadly it cannot be posted

You can turn on Fox News for 15 minutes and see it.. You can hear it from the mouth of Rush Limbaugh or Michael Savage. You can hear it from Ted Nugent or Sarah Palin.

Our American way of life is under attack from all angles.

then that would seem to suggest 2nd Amendment remedies. Or the invention of Nobel.

Or are we limiting it to fists and chains?

Or just harsher rhetoric?

...because populism can get at the root of the truth better than any other form of political expression, in my opinion.

And it really doesn't matter if it is in a conservative or a liberal district, the truth is the truth. Our timidity is hurting us in so many ways. I know there are many that will disagree with this tactic but this is my opinion.

Democrats in Congress and in the White House are not timid. They are not caving or buckling or being shy or lacking confidence. They are supporting corporate interests, too.

The problem is corporate money in both parties, and it is not going to change until we MAKE it change. Maybe you meant that WE are being too timid in demanding change....I agree with that, but a lot of the timidity seems to come from denial...an unwillingness to acknowledge that corporate Democrats are a huge part of this problem. This passivity and rationalization of horrific policies as long as they come from Democrats is exactly why we have no unified opposition to creeping corporate fascism.

You cannot fix a problem until you acknowledge it exists.

...I won't hold my breath for that. It will never be acknowledged here.

Whether Repub or Dem, I'm tired of being lied to.

For example, Obama keeps after Rmoney for his Bain killing and outsourcing jobs, while simultaneously trying to slip PPA through with no notice or comment from Legislature, or really any group except those that might profit from it.

Please, don't have a populist MESSAGE, have a populist AGENDA.

A populist message presupposes a populist AGENDA. But I am not hearing either?

When I hear a populist message these days, I presuppose a lie.

All pols with few exceptions are bought and paid for. Dem, Repub, doesn't matter, it's mostly kabuki theater or perhaps a circle-jerk circus. It's not like Clinton and Obama haven't had their own contributions to the hardships most Americans are feeling today.

I think we should focus on warring with the 1% and their adoring patrons at all levels and in all Parties.

But as expected OWS and similar movements are being sidelined by the two party race and all it's theater.

but instead want the whole leaderless and thereby candidateless rebellion that brings up great concerns, but offers no alternatives to the status quo.

I don't think folks are willing and may not be able to wrap their heads around actual alternatives, by apparent definition it would appear that any alternative must be a part of the status quo.

The system and institutions have failed and in many cases have been turned them into tools of extraction and and accumulation of power and it seems that a part of the idea is to provide the foundations of a wholly alternative system.

Most don't seem to want alternatives but rather options within the status quo and many still feel that is going off the reservation and actually just want to co-opt the raw energy and fold them back into the Democratic party as a tool or as fuel but not to challenge the way of doing business because that isn't "pragmatic", "sensible", and damn well isn't "centrist".

Disregarding Party affiliation, wouldn't there have to be some way of voting?? Would it be impossible to have any structure or organization without doing it in a democratic (with a small d) manner? Otherwise, who would the leaders be and who would the people listen to for direction and advice about the future?

or another movement, coupled with GOTV is the key which will unlock our movement. Send a loud message in nov.

They are sociopaths and there is no way to negotiate with a sociopath.

They are always very thought provoking.

If we lose this war, we lose America. We have to fight. We have no choice but to fight. We have to win this country and win our liberty back by any means necessary.

but the "we" you refer to has yet to show up and put up a fight that even remotely matches the furry of the GOP and their ultra wealthy and ultra wacky backers..

but no suggestions.

Maybe there is a way we, as Democrats, can find to disenfranchise conservatives? Maybe spread misinformation in conservative districts so they show up at the wrong polling station?

we've seen that they care about democracy about as much as a fascist on a sunny Italian morning.

The current Republican Party is a subsidiary enterprise of the kleptocracy. The utility of the Republican Party is that it can be used to weaken government institutions in a way that makes the looting of our society easier.

The mass media is another tool which has been repurposed on their behalf. The electorate will be kept divided and will remain undisturbed by information relevant to their economic self-interest.