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Tanuki

(14,918 posts)
Mon Jun 5, 2017, 08:00 PM Jun 2017

Megyn Kelly....When mediocrity and whiteness come together

http://www.theroot.com/sunday-night-with-megyn-kelly-is-what-happens-when-medi-1795811244/amp
(By Michael Arceneaux)
"The most frustrating thing about Megyn Kelly’s new NBC show is that it exists. In the promos leading up to the premiere of Sunday Night With Megyn Kelly, the former Fox News propagandist quips that Santa Claus is still white.

It is supposed to come across as a self-deprecating joke about the kind of controversy she caused at the conservative station, but all it does is remind you how smug, condescending and, yes, racist Kelly showed herself to be throughout her stint at Fox News.

.......
It was tough in that Putin is a murderous autocrat and noticeably made mention of Kelly’s young daughter in a panel Kelly moderated prior to their sit-down interview. Yeah, it’s tough in that Putin has no qualms about killing journalists like Kelly, but not so much in terms of Kelly’s interview skills. Putin was Putin: arrogant, willfully dishonest, and more or less rubbing his dick on the forehead of the United States of America.
.......
Kelly isn’t exceptional enough to warrant this show; nor has Kelly done anything to immediately warrant her ability to just push Tamron Hall and Al Roker out of their successful third hour of Today for whatever hers will become. What Kelly is, though, is a pretty blond white woman who exists in the era of a racist demagogue president. A lot of executives saw his victory and, in turn, also wanted to “make America white again.” ....(more)
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Megyn Kelly....When mediocrity and whiteness come together (Original Post) Tanuki Jun 2017 OP
Very harsh critic! LOL! Madam45for2923 Jun 2017 #1
Not harsh enough. Hopefully her "viewership" will be so non-existent that she'll fail in months. George II Jun 2017 #22
Harsh... The National Enquirer's front cover. I saw it in the checkout line, before covering* it. TheBlackAdder Jun 2017 #36
Accidents do happen! Madam45for2923 Jun 2017 #45
K & R! How I loathe her. 50 Shades Of Blue Jun 2017 #2
lol rubbing his dick Thrill Jun 2017 #3
Nailed it! Scurrilous Jun 2017 #4
She sucks Lotusflower70 Jun 2017 #5
Thank you! Putin made mince meat of her. nikibatts Jun 2017 #6
Well I wouldn't call this "pretty blond white woman" pretty anymore. onecent Jun 2017 #7
She's had way too much plastic surgery. athena Jun 2017 #12
the sleeveless trend bothers me Skittles Jun 2017 #15
Little kids who dream of being real journalists watch Rachel or Joy Volaris Jun 2017 #20
In addition, on the statement pretty blond and white, it is worth Enoki33 Jun 2017 #37
Not if their parents are watching Kelly rather than Maddow or Reid. athena Jun 2017 #40
Tamron Hall was better and cost less MattP Jun 2017 #8
And it being TV where looks matter, Tamron Hall, IMO, had it over her there as well as with... brush Jun 2017 #10
loved Tamron Hall. demigoddess Jun 2017 #55
"Santa is still white" ladym55 Jun 2017 #9
Pooty MFM008 Jun 2017 #11
And yet we could not rise above racism in the title. 58Sunliner Jun 2017 #13
I am white and do not take offense. nt Laffy Kat Jun 2017 #30
If Kelly wants BigMin28 Jun 2017 #14
Good point. "Mediocre" really didn't seem to apply to Kelly. Hortensis Jun 2017 #52
I knew there was no way the NBC promos said anything like that melman Jun 2017 #16
I didn't "make up" anything or alter the wording in any way. If the linked Tanuki Jun 2017 #17
Then they did melman Jun 2017 #21
Plastic, Corporate, Tool. nt jalan48 Jun 2017 #18
Spot on. dalton99a Jun 2017 #19
Perfect Awsi Dooger Jun 2017 #33
She is the creepiest! bucolic_frolic Jun 2017 #23
Can't stand her; won't watch her flibbitygiblets Jun 2017 #24
An interview is not a debate. Honeycombe8 Jun 2017 #49
This line in your post reminds me of the way O'Reilly kept interrupting & badgering tblue37 Jun 2017 #54
No TV here for 10 years and counting....and so, so happy! NRaleighLiberal Jun 2017 #25
Nothing g but a FOX propaganda actor flunkie. liberal N proud Jun 2017 #26
NBC has a bad habit of fucking up... ADX Jun 2017 #27
Megyn Kelly was so totally out of her league with Putin it was embarrassing. SunSeeker Jun 2017 #28
That would be something I... 3catwoman3 Jun 2017 #32
EVeryone who watched the Megyn Kelly debut on MSNBC: OldRedneck Jun 2017 #29
Definite Rec SCantiGOP Jun 2017 #31
I don't know about this article. Isn't it racist to refer to her race in a derogatory way? Honeycombe8 Jun 2017 #34
Someone even obnoxiousdrunk Jun 2017 #38
I respect Megyn Kelly relatively speaking. kwassa Jun 2017 #35
BUTBUTBUT she's PRITTEE! pansypoo53219 Jun 2017 #39
Almost everyone, particularly the women, on tv are attractive. If they're not... Honeycombe8 Jun 2017 #47
prom court lives on. high school forever. pansypoo53219 Jun 2017 #57
Well, I can't stop myself analyzing this with a feminist interpretation, as usual. BlancheSplanchnik Jun 2017 #41
Pulled what off? athena Jun 2017 #42
I'm sorry, I forgot to turn my brain cells on before typing out loud! BlancheSplanchnik Jun 2017 #43
I see. Thanks for explaining. athena Jun 2017 #44
Yep. And so many people don't see that angle, BlancheSplanchnik Jun 2017 #50
This is true. Women just can't win. Either they "got her job 'cause of her looks," or "she's ugly!" Honeycombe8 Jun 2017 #48
Yes it is possible. Truth. BlancheSplanchnik Jun 2017 #53
NBC just following.. disillusioned73 Jun 2017 #46
Brutal headline and review underpants Jun 2017 #51
Spot on. dchill Jun 2017 #56

TheBlackAdder

(28,209 posts)
36. Harsh... The National Enquirer's front cover. I saw it in the checkout line, before covering* it.
Mon Jun 5, 2017, 10:48 PM
Jun 2017

.

I can't find a link to the image.


*accidentally of course.

.

 

Madam45for2923

(7,178 posts)
45. Accidents do happen!
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 08:28 AM
Jun 2017


N.E. is TrumpNation so I guess that's their agenda.

In any case, too bad for mediocre Meghyn Kelly, too bad! LOL!

onecent

(6,096 posts)
7. Well I wouldn't call this "pretty blond white woman" pretty anymore.
Mon Jun 5, 2017, 08:16 PM
Jun 2017

Yes she is attractive, but she does not have the same thing now that she use to have on Fox...(I didn't watch her
very often)...coulnd't stand her...

Now her make up doesn't look right, eye lashes or eye brows are different colors, they always look at her up
close and also her legs.....She was trying some of her LONG lost pouts, or ways to get Putin to say the right word...
didn't work for me.

Putin makes me sicker....when he talk ..there were 2 languages going on at once...and I couldn't watch it...

Oh well...

athena

(4,187 posts)
12. She's had way too much plastic surgery.
Mon Jun 5, 2017, 08:27 PM
Jun 2017

She doesn't look like a person; she looks like a nondescript blonde mannequin. As an artist, I draw and paint portraits (among other things). I always struggle to identify her because her features are not constant; they change every time I see a picture of her, which is every six months or so.

Now that she's no longer very young, they're really pushing the limits to make her continue to look like a sex object. I didn't watch the show, but I saw the photographs of her dressed like a prostitute sitting next to a bunch of men dressed in suits. I have nothing against women who work as prostitutes, but there is a problem when female media personalities start dressing like them. People who watch her show should ask themselves what they're teaching their children about the roles of men and women in our society. This woman is not a journalist; the only reason she is famous is that she is very blonde and therefore appeals sexually to the typical straight American white male. What does that tell little girls who dream of being real journalists?

Volaris

(10,272 posts)
20. Little kids who dream of being real journalists watch Rachel or Joy
Mon Jun 5, 2017, 09:59 PM
Jun 2017

And know damnwell they don't have to be blonde.

Enoki33

(1,587 posts)
37. In addition, on the statement pretty blond and white, it is worth
Mon Jun 5, 2017, 10:55 PM
Jun 2017

reminding that beauty is so much more than what is superficial. Knowing how much of a racist she is places ugliness in the forefront.

athena

(4,187 posts)
40. Not if their parents are watching Kelly rather than Maddow or Reid.
Mon Jun 5, 2017, 11:01 PM
Jun 2017

My message was for anyone who is choosing to watch Kelly. I wasn't talking to little girls but rather to their parents. I wouldn't be so sure that the children of Fox-"News" watchers know that they don't have to be blonde and sexy to be successful. You're underestimating the power of sexism.

ETA: They will never admit it, but I'm sure there are many men on DU who are watching Kelly. If you're at all honest, you cannot deny that the whole point of Kelly is that she's a sex object.

brush

(53,791 posts)
10. And it being TV where looks matter, Tamron Hall, IMO, had it over her there as well as with...
Mon Jun 5, 2017, 08:25 PM
Jun 2017

journalistic chops.

ladym55

(2,577 posts)
9. "Santa is still white"
Mon Jun 5, 2017, 08:20 PM
Jun 2017

And, you, Megyn Kelly, are still a racist. There was nothing cute about that statement when you made it originally, and I'm STILL not laughing.

Your tenure at Fox was filled with hate, lies, and innuendo. And that qualifies you as a journalist ... how? The journalists I respect do ask hard questions ... when they are warranted. They seek the truth. They CARE about others. You? Not so much. You just said hate-filled crap you knew wasn't true to keep your misogynistic bosses at Faux happy.

NBC needs to be good and embarrassed at giving Ms. White Mediocrity her own show. The only good news in that article is that her much-hyped interview with Donald's BFF Vlad came in third in the ratings. The CBS interview with the Russian dissident beat her out.

BigMin28

(1,177 posts)
14. If Kelly wants
Mon Jun 5, 2017, 08:51 PM
Jun 2017

To see how to do a serious interview with the head of a foreign country, perhaps she could watch a few of the interviews Christiane Amanpour has done over the years. That is how it's done.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
52. Good point. "Mediocre" really didn't seem to apply to Kelly.
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 12:01 PM
Jun 2017

She is good at what she does.

But bringing up Amanpour, and what SHE does, immediately makes Kelly look relatively but decidedly mediocre in comparison.

 

melman

(7,681 posts)
16. I knew there was no way the NBC promos said anything like that
Mon Jun 5, 2017, 08:59 PM
Jun 2017

Sure enough they don't and the linked article doesn't even claim they do.

Here is the actual first paragraph.

"The most frustrating thing about Megyn Kelly’s new NBC show is that it exists. In the promos leading up to the premiere of Sunday Night With Megyn Kelly, the former Fox News propagandist reveals five things we can look forward to on the show. We’re supposed to forget that while at FOX News, she was smug, condescending and, yes, racist Kelly showed herself to be throughout her stint there. The days in which she wanted it to be known that Santa is white and that’s that."


Either the OP made that up, or they did and have since edited it.

Tanuki

(14,918 posts)
17. I didn't "make up" anything or alter the wording in any way. If the linked
Mon Jun 5, 2017, 09:48 PM
Jun 2017

article reads differently now, it must have been edited by Arceneaux or an editor at Root. If you don't believe me, a close reading of the comments section at the link will make that clear.

 

Awsi Dooger

(14,565 posts)
33. Perfect
Mon Jun 5, 2017, 10:38 PM
Jun 2017

She's at the low end of mediocre. I knew many student broadcasters with considerably more talent.

flibbitygiblets

(7,220 posts)
24. Can't stand her; won't watch her
Mon Jun 5, 2017, 10:13 PM
Jun 2017

She's an inept empty skirt, which is why Putin agreed to interview with her. A tenacious, informed journalist like Rachael or Joy, would have eaten him for lunch, or at least called him on his bullshit.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
49. An interview is not a debate.
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 10:30 AM
Jun 2017

You misunderstand the purpose of an interview. Asking hard questions, yes. But attacking or debating, no. The object is to listen to the interviewee's answers for the public to hear (and to ask the right questions, of course).

Watch Charlie Rose, old Larry King shows, Tom Brokaw interviews for examples. Mike Wallace was confrontational and interviewed Putin 10 years ago, but I don't have cable so can't access that interview. I imagine that was pretty tough. He didn't mince words or hesitate to bring up uncomfortable topics. That was 60 Minutes for you. But if you come with an agenda and are too partisan, you don't get the interview in the first place, because they don't trust you to do an interview vs. a gotcha argumentative debate.

Here's a clip of Charlie Rose's 2015 interview with Putin:




Journalists & broadcasters tend to respect the office of the person they are interviewing. You don't interview the leader of a country the same way you'd interview Johnny Depp. Just because Trump doesn't respect other people doesn't mean everyone else is going to follow suit. Kelly did ask Putin about Russia interfering in the election, which was determined by 17 intel agencies. So she didn't shy away from that.

I think that generally if people don't like the interviewer, they criticize, no matter what. And if they like her, she can do no wrong. There is something called objectivity, though. Her interview seemed to be fine. Not great, not bad.

tblue37

(65,408 posts)
54. This line in your post reminds me of the way O'Reilly kept interrupting & badgering
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 12:07 PM
Jun 2017

Pres. Obama when he interviewed him:

"Journalists & broadcasters tend to respect the office of the person they are interviewing."

 

ADX

(1,622 posts)
27. NBC has a bad habit of fucking up...
Mon Jun 5, 2017, 10:29 PM
Jun 2017

...because bringing in Kelly is at least as bad as them pushing Ann Curry out a few years ago, if not worse.

They really need to get their shit together.

SunSeeker

(51,574 posts)
28. Megyn Kelly was so totally out of her league with Putin it was embarrassing.
Mon Jun 5, 2017, 10:29 PM
Jun 2017

Which is why Putin agreed to the interview in the first place. He knew she was. Everyone knew she was.

Malcolm Nance should have interviewed Putin.

 

OldRedneck

(1,397 posts)
29. EVeryone who watched the Megyn Kelly debut on MSNBC:
Mon Jun 5, 2017, 10:31 PM
Jun 2017

Raise your hand if you watched her MSNBC debut.

Now, using your raised hand, SLAP THE SHIT OUT OF YOURSELF!!!

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
34. I don't know about this article. Isn't it racist to refer to her race in a derogatory way?
Mon Jun 5, 2017, 10:41 PM
Jun 2017

There's nothing wrong with being white or any other race.

I'm unfamiliar with her Santa Claus statement. Santa Claus isn't real. Did she mean he was invented in the Swedish-Netherland geographical area?

kwassa

(23,340 posts)
35. I respect Megyn Kelly relatively speaking.
Mon Jun 5, 2017, 10:47 PM
Jun 2017

She has challenged Trump and other conservatives in different interviews.

She has a certain amount of integrity, she is intelligent and educated enough to conduct substantive interviews. She also doesn't intimidate easily. Definitely not the typical Fox airhead.

Do I agree with everything she says? no.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
47. Almost everyone, particularly the women, on tv are attractive. If they're not...
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 10:01 AM
Jun 2017

people criticize them mercilessly. Like Greta Van Sustern. Look up the posts in this forum about her appearance and the way she speaks.

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
41. Well, I can't stop myself analyzing this with a feminist interpretation, as usual.
Mon Jun 5, 2017, 11:03 PM
Jun 2017

Not that there's anything wrong with that, of course.

So, the problem I see is something that's pretty glaringly missing in the commentary piece from the OP: There's no mention about the biiiigggg elephant in the room which is that no woman other than an unusually gorgeous specimen of womanhood could have pulled this off. And being Germanic/Aryan/Nordic looking doesn't hurt.

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
43. I'm sorry, I forgot to turn my brain cells on before typing out loud!
Mon Jun 5, 2017, 11:30 PM
Jun 2017

I was trying to say that, even though she's pretty mediocre, as someone said, and has spouted some egregious repuke propaganda alt-reality crap in the past. With a straight face.

I was trying to say that she's not a great talent. But she got hired. So how does that work? A mediocre man in her position wouldn't have to be a rare specimen of beauty. He'd have to "be good enough".

But women have to pass beauty tests as well. That's classic sexism.

Hope I made sense, I'm falling asleep!

athena

(4,187 posts)
44. I see. Thanks for explaining.
Mon Jun 5, 2017, 11:33 PM
Jun 2017

I hadn't looked at it that way, but you're right. It annoys me that she's so sexualized -- I feel this hurts other women who want to be journalists and who want to be taken seriouisly -- but it's true that if she had been male, it would have been enough to be a right-wing nutcase; sex appeal would not have been necessary.

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
50. Yep. And so many people don't see that angle,
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 11:53 AM
Jun 2017

They'll insist you're whining or worse. Even women...too many of us have internalized the double standard.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
48. This is true. Women just can't win. Either they "got her job 'cause of her looks," or "she's ugly!"
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 10:08 AM
Jun 2017

It's usually about their appearance.

Meghan Kelly is (gasp!) too pretty, so that's obviously why she got the job! And she's WHITE, too, which is horrible!

Or she's "ugly" or "weird looking"! (Greta van Sustern)

Let's just ignore the racism and misogyny of it all.

It is possible to be white, attractive, AND good at your job. That some think she's not good at her job is a legitimate criticism. I don't know. I haven't watched her much in the past. But I did see her responses to the Trump ferocious attacks on her, and she held her own with grace and professionalism. She also asked hard questions during that debate, which is what got Trump's ire up. He had even called her BEFORE the debate & asked her not to ask him that question....and she did, anyway. So kudos where kudos are due. The freepers were VERY upset with her! Their love for her turned to hatred, and they tried to get her fired, as they usually do.

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
53. Yes it is possible. Truth.
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 12:03 PM
Jun 2017

I don't watch tv so I can't give examples except that I know about the event you mentioned, and I know about rw-talking points she's espoused.

Maybe the harassment accusations that she leveled--she was the first to break the bars of silence at foxworld--made her change.

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