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SHRED

(28,136 posts)
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 01:00 AM Jun 2017

How did the NSA contractor get discovered?

Could Glenn Greenwald's "The Intercept" have done a better job protecting their source?

It seems way too careless to me.
That would be the last place I'd divulge info to after this fiasco.

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How did the NSA contractor get discovered? (Original Post) SHRED Jun 2017 OP
my feeling is bdtrppr6 Jun 2017 #1
She used her gmail account to mail the classified info. Shandris Jun 2017 #2
And after The Intercept received it... SHRED Jun 2017 #4
Yup. The other leakers MAILED their stuff to the papers. SunSeeker Jun 2017 #12
And yet The Intercept ran with it anyway SHRED Jun 2017 #14
Indeed. NYT and WaPo are much better about protecting sources. SunSeeker Jun 2017 #16
Yep... SHRED Jun 2017 #17
She also mailed her copy. Only 6 copies of the document were printed off. Calista241 Jun 2017 #29
The other leakers did not use Gmail to correspond. SunSeeker Jun 2017 #32
I heard they checked to see who had printed the information radical noodle Jun 2017 #3
she downloaded an article for print that was outside her work area. grantcart Jun 2017 #5
why did Greenwald run with it then? SHRED Jun 2017 #6
Greenwald is an idiot grantcart Jun 2017 #8
So Greenwald didn't have the foresight... SHRED Jun 2017 #10
How do you suppose she chose the Intercept to send it to? BainsBane Jun 2017 #20
Of all the leaks going on, the one person arrested BainsBane Jun 2017 #7
It's very suspicious SHRED Jun 2017 #9
One read of the comments sections... SHRED Jun 2017 #11
My thoughts too JustAnotherGen Jun 2017 #21
Seems to me way to many "contractor businesses" have access to our governments classified files. Sunlei Jun 2017 #13
That's the truth! SHRED Jun 2017 #15
For a start this contractor business should be dropped immediately and any Federal money refunded. Sunlei Jun 2017 #18
I mean no offense... Adrahil Jun 2017 #24
she, searched for & printed out a top secret file page and walked out the door with it. Sunlei Jun 2017 #33
Yes... in a government facility.... Adrahil Jun 2017 #34
If she was really that young & naive, how did she know what to look for? mhw Jun 2017 #19
She may have been told what to retrieve and how BainsBane Jun 2017 #22
Here is what I can see of how it went down Lee-Lee Jun 2017 #23
Because she didn't hide? Barack_America Jun 2017 #25
All printers add a barely visible ID-pattern to any text/image they print out. DetlefK Jun 2017 #26
As soon as I saw it involved leftynyc Jun 2017 #27
I read on Twitter it was because The Intercept contacted another contractor justiceischeap Jun 2017 #28
It's out there now though.. Who is the Florida software firm? annabanana Jun 2017 #30
Both at fault american_ideals Jun 2017 #31
 

bdtrppr6

(796 posts)
1. my feeling is
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 01:11 AM
Jun 2017

she's a red herring for "leakers". she may have done the deed, but she's a low level exposure. sacrifice.

 

Shandris

(3,447 posts)
2. She used her gmail account to mail the classified info.
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 01:15 AM
Jun 2017

It took them all of about 20 seconds to find her, no doubt. The article explains it better, but I'll be damned if I remember which of the articles it is. Apologies; I didn't think I'd need it.

 

SHRED

(28,136 posts)
4. And after The Intercept received it...
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 01:24 AM
Jun 2017

...BEFORE they published it.

What precautions did they take?

Are you saying they received this intel knowing it was brought to them unsecured but ran with it anyway?

SunSeeker

(51,574 posts)
12. Yup. The other leakers MAILED their stuff to the papers.
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 01:52 AM
Jun 2017

And probaby wore golves while handling the envelope!

 

SHRED

(28,136 posts)
14. And yet The Intercept ran with it anyway
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 02:23 AM
Jun 2017

Any possible future source would be a fool to give anyone over there any classified intel.

SunSeeker

(51,574 posts)
16. Indeed. NYT and WaPo are much better about protecting sources.
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 02:27 AM
Jun 2017

I don't know why a source would leak to anyone other than NYT or WaPo after this.

Calista241

(5,586 posts)
29. She also mailed her copy. Only 6 copies of the document were printed off.
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 07:48 AM
Jun 2017

They found the other 5 documents and when they came to find her copy, she couldn't produce it and confessed.

She had email correspondence with The Intercept, but the actual document was physically mailed by an "anonymous" person.

SunSeeker

(51,574 posts)
32. The other leakers did not use Gmail to correspond.
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 09:53 AM
Jun 2017

The Gmail led right to her. The Intercept should not have communicated by Gmail.

And the Intercept shoild have warned her to keep the originsl--to just send them a copy.

radical noodle

(8,003 posts)
3. I heard they checked to see who had printed the information
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 01:20 AM
Jun 2017

I feel sure Greenwald was more than happy to divulge anything he could.

 

SHRED

(28,136 posts)
6. why did Greenwald run with it then?
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 01:31 AM
Jun 2017

Knowing she'd be busted when it came to light.

What steps did they take to protect and counsel their source?

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
8. Greenwald is an idiot
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 01:36 AM
Jun 2017

I believe that she did it in a way that she knew was going to get her caught quickly.

The report on her arrest stated that when they picked her up that she admitted to the leak immediately.

She may have a political agenda in mind.

It seems like this material was likely to be revealed.

She could have read the material, made notes and passed it to a qualified news source without being caught.
 

SHRED

(28,136 posts)
10. So Greenwald didn't have the foresight...
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 01:43 AM
Jun 2017

...to think that if they expose this she'll get busted?

BainsBane

(53,035 posts)
7. Of all the leaks going on, the one person arrested
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 01:32 AM
Jun 2017

leaked to the Intercept. That I find suspicious. Perhaps they did more than fail to protect her. Maybe they helped lay the trap?

 

SHRED

(28,136 posts)
9. It's very suspicious
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 01:36 AM
Jun 2017

They get this classified intel and don't have any concern for the source it appears.

Wouldn't a good journalist make sure their source was protected?
She is young and perhaps a bit naive and careless.
Glenn Greenwald can't claim ignorance. That doesn't fly. This stinks.
 

SHRED

(28,136 posts)
11. One read of the comments sections...
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 01:48 AM
Jun 2017

...at The Intercept and you realize Russia has lots of influence there.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
13. Seems to me way to many "contractor businesses" have access to our governments classified files.
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 02:00 AM
Jun 2017

Does our country, our Federal government really need to spend so many billions/trillion? on NSA 'work'?

And why are anyone like Snowden and this leaker-woman allowed access to any classified files OR allowed to download ANYTHING at work?

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
18. For a start this contractor business should be dropped immediately and any Federal money refunded.
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 02:40 AM
Jun 2017

Once even one employee is compromised because of lax management, there could be many more employees stealing files.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
24. I mean no offense...
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 07:17 AM
Jun 2017

But your statement here indicates a pretty big misunderstanding about how these kinds of contractors dontheir work.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
33. she, searched for & printed out a top secret file page and walked out the door with it.
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 10:29 AM
Jun 2017

a new hire with no supervision.

A printed page has markings on it, date, time stamp, printer # and was easy for authorities to find where it came from and who used the work printer. The media did text pics to FBI to see if it was fake or not. She emailed it to media anonymously.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
34. Yes... in a government facility....
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 01:14 PM
Jun 2017

The contractor was supplying personnel. She would have had to have gotten a government security clearance and she would have worked in a government facility (most likely), under government rules. The contractor likely had nothing to do with this.

I've held a clearance for over 30 years now, and just did yet another "force protection" training refresher.

 

mhw

(678 posts)
19. If she was really that young & naive, how did she know what to look for?
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 02:45 AM
Jun 2017

Among all the files to steal, how did she come to know the importance of this one..?

 

Lee-Lee

(6,324 posts)
23. Here is what I can see of how it went down
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 06:33 AM
Jun 2017

The NSA has a very large and new facility at FT Gordon GA. Little is said about what happens there, but previous information released about the facility it replaced indicates that it was a facility used to monitor phone calls from overseas.

She was a linguist in the Air Force who came to work there after her enlistment was up. That would also be congruent with the role as a telephone interception role.

When the paper was presented they showed the actual copies of what they were sent, not a cut and paste job. It was noted that there were fold marks, indicating that someone had printed a hard copy and folded it.

They looked at the records of everyone who had printed a copy of that document. They looked to see who among those people had no reason based on their job duties to access and print that information and from there it was pretty easy to narrow down. They found 6 people who accessed it whose job didn't include any reason to be looking at it and from there likely got warrants to check email activity of all 6.

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
26. All printers add a barely visible ID-pattern to any text/image they print out.
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 07:43 AM
Jun 2017

It's a next-to-invisible pattern of yellow dots (on white paper...). Each printer has a unique pattern and that allows people in the know to track down where exactly this print-out is from.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Printer_steganography

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
27. As soon as I saw it involved
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 07:44 AM
Jun 2017

The Intercept, I knew Greenwald turned her in. He's slime and has lived DOWN to every expectation I ever had of him.

justiceischeap

(14,040 posts)
28. I read on Twitter it was because The Intercept contacted another contractor
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 07:45 AM
Jun 2017

for verification. Since the document was top secret, the verification source notified the government on 6/1.




Susan Hennessey
"Individuals who hold security clearances have a lifetime legal obligation to report unauthorized disclosures of classified information."




Chris Geidner
"Wow. A different fed contractor who The Intercept reached out to to confirm the documents contacted the gov't on 6/1."




Susan Hennessey
"In other words, by sending documents the journalist placed the cleared individual in legal jeopardy if s/he didn't report it."

annabanana

(52,791 posts)
30. It's out there now though.. Who is the Florida software firm?
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 07:48 AM
Jun 2017

Were they compromised randomly? Or were they targeted for a reason?

american_ideals

(613 posts)
31. Both at fault
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 08:18 AM
Jun 2017

Intercept sloppily published an image showing the leak was on paper.

She emailed them a few weeks before.

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