She put herself on the line to help her country. She wanted the public to be aware that the votes may have been tampered with and was willing to go to jail for her country

All power to her.

Daniel Ellsberg was a hero too.

Have you read The Pentagon Papers?

And she should be protected.

And I'm not sure it wasn't an accident.

I am leaning that way, too. The Post would have been the best venue imo.

Either way, fuck them.

This link will take you directly to Greenwald's tweet:

https://mobile.twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/871832554604818432

This is a screen cap of the tweet. (I am not on twitter)

To be honest about this, and can't verify what they published from the leaker either. Sowing chaos and division, big shocker?

All 'manufactured' by the 'deep state' because as all Greenwald fans know, Trump and Putin are the 'innocent victims' here.

I feel so bad for Winter that she got caught in the crossfire.

Was her undoing! When he said "trust no one" he means it!

Totally agreed.

As was stated, leaking national security info is a slippery slope, very slippery.

But sadly, as expressed by Malcom Nance, this info was obviously known, and would come out anyway in the current investigations into you know what. One might say hopefully/allegedly here, I know....

I feel for her personal sacrifice, I really and truly do.

It is obvious that her efforts were selfless.

I cannot condemn her, just wish it were better for her and all concerned.

I thought it was wrong of Snowden to leak classified info and I think it's wrong for Winner.

The question that needs to be asked is if this leak will harm or impede the ongoing investigation. We have no way of knowing that because we don't have all the pieces.

It also tips our hand to Putin, who may delete or otherwise interfere with any ongoing intelligence that may aid the investigation.

Being able to see what fails is what guides people to create what works. And, with limited context, it can be exploited politically by 45, who has already made it a cause to go after imagined "voter fraud."

And whatever causes the maggot misery and heartburn.
Period.

Everyone here seems to assume that it will confirm a narrative that favors Democrats, but it is premature and potentially dangerous to make that assumption.

BUT it will NOT favor the maggot in chief.
He is already frantically trying to create a distraction.

Must have been REALLY pissed about Russia hacking to leak that ho-hum report.

she outed Israeli intelligence assets spying on ISIS to the Russian ambassador.

Her name is REALITY WINNER wtf
And she sends it to rat-fucker Glen Greenwald

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I also wish she had chosen a better news outlet.

By the end of her sentence (if she actually ever gets out), the history books will have relegated her to a footnote in the tRump/Russia chapter. Meanwhile, the criminals she was exposing will most likely be free.

And, she will never get a decent job again, esp one that needs any type of clearance or clear record.

Except her.

I am pretty sure Putin & the GRU won't be charged.


"The report indicates that Russian hacking may have penetrated further into U.S. voting systems than was previously understood. It states unequivocally in its summary statement that it was Russian military intelligence, specifically the Russian General Staff Main Intelligence Directorate, or GRU, that conducted the cyber attacks described in the document:"

Russian General Staff Main Intelligence Directorate actors … executed cyber espionage operations against a named U.S. company in August 2016, evidently to obtain information on elections-related software and hardware solutions. … The actors likely used data obtained from that operation to … launch a voter registration-themed spear-phishing campaign targeting U.S. local government organizations.

"This NSA summary judgment is sharply at odds with Russian President Vladimir Putin’s denial last week that Russia had interfered in foreign elections:..."

https://theintercept.com/2017/06/05/top-secret-nsa-report-details-russian-hacking-effort-days-before-2016-election/

Of course Putin will still be riding horses topless while she is in prison.

Now THAT would have been something!


ETA. Ah well - maybe with the depth of the cyber-attacks being known/shown eventually, we can actually respond in a meaningful way.

it means that the Russians will not be getting those compounds back. Short term goals...

It should really mean that we overhaul our voting mechanisms.

but my hope is she gets some kick ass lawyer to sway the jury into nullification. My sister and I were talking about it last night and both think Ron Kuby would be perfect.

we shall see

Don't you think she is wishing she didn't do something so foolish? She is currently sitting in jail, and her mommy doesn't understand why, she f'd up big time.

This is very serious for her.

Glenn works for Putin so his outing her makes sense.

Hoo rah!

Leaking, or whistle blowing , is like any other civil disobedience in that one must be prepared for the consequences. Her arrest and prosecution is to be expected. Seems to me, in this case, she was let down by the "news outlet" that she leaked to. They did little to protect their source.

When whistleblowers leak information that they believe citizens should know, I'm usually torn as well. Of course we acknowledge it's a crime, but the information being revealed is often critically important.

However, in speaking with a friend in the IC, he pointed out a few things about this case.

Her social media (her *likes* and her posts) indicate a very favorable impression of Russia and Putin, as we've learned about many on the left.

The Intercept is known to be rather favorable toward Putin.

So her leaking it there may not have been for the benefit of the US citizens, but instead benefit to Putin, revealing the methods of how NSA was tracking Russian hacking and progress.

The IC and law and order peeps are always upset about leakers and see it as pure criminality, but in this case the purpose of her sharing it may be more nefarious and not for our benefit at all.

ETA: OTOH if the purpose was to provide documents to Russia, why send them to a public forum, The Intercept? She could have contacted someone in Russia and sent them privately.

Seems she was an entry-level contractor, so perhaps it was easier?

And without diving into a DU war, there are many who perceive Greenwald and The Intercept (and other "left"-leaning outfits) as mouthpieces for Putin. She'd have easier access to them.

So there's that.

IC. So they're pushing the "trust no one" crap, same as Trump and Putin.

January. I don't actually have FB myself (everyone else in my immediate family does, and they let me "spy" through their accounts when need be), but I think her posts must have been "public," because anyone could comment on them, and the 45 lovers were having a field day trashing her. Her posts made her seem idealistic and compassionate, with a spiritual bent. Someone here (I think) said she had some anti-Clinton posts (supposedly, she was for Sanders), but I didn't get that far back on her FB. (Is there a way to skip the in-between posts, and go back to a specific date? There were so many 45 trolls adding ugly comments that it took a long time just to get to January.)

From your link:

<<On Facebook and Instagram, Winner documented her pets, travels to Belize and to her adopted home of Baltimore, her hours in the gym, vegan meals, concerts and the apparent recent death of her dad. On Twitter, she laid bare her liberal political views and the raw emotion she felt over the election of Donald Trump as president.

Tweeting at Trump after comments he made about refugees being a danger, Winner, under the handle @reezlie, wrote: “the most dangerous entry to this country was the orange fascist we let into the white house (sic).”

Her feeds show forceful views on climate change, refugees, the war in Syria and her distinct dislike of Trump and his policies. She also showed support for the citizens of one of the nation’s top adversaries….

…Trump supporters took to Winner’s social media pages, leaving comments calling her a traitor, mocking her parents and fantasizing what will happen to her if she goes to prison.>>

Doesn't smell right.

As far as I'm concerned we are in a special circumstance and the worst I see is that she was a valuable asset to the Intelligence community, being fluent in 3 Middle East languages, and this country lost her skills because of the idiot and dangerous orange boy in the WH.

to with hold judgement here either way until more information becomes available.

We only have the account of those charging her under the Espionage Act (and to me, this is only "espionage" against Russia)... but if their account is true, it seems her goose was cooked, no matter what, since she wasn't very savvy about concealing her identity. (They said she subscribed to Intercept podcasts using her gmail account, for example.) If their account is not true, there may be an agenda-- like to discredit media outlets receiving leaked information and scare off future whistleblowers. I really don't understand their motivation in providing so many details about how they identified her.

If Trump didn't lie so much, the leaks would not be needed.

Reality Winner versus Reality Loser. Trump's Lies Revealed by Leak.

She's very young, and I hate to see that happen.

For me, personally, I'm glad she did what she did. SOMEONE has to do something. Our very lives are at stake. That's not being overly dramatic either. Our way of life and thus our lives should we decided to try to defend that way of life are on the chopping block.

We all know something wasn't right about the 2016 election.

Hopefully, President Al Franken can issue a pardon in 2020.

He did break the law and release classified info and Nixon definitely wanted him put away.

No one was harmed and she didn't do it for the money.

She was a concerned patriot who harmed no one.

She's a patriot, in my book!!

I just hope she doesn't have to go to jail.

have eventually been released to the public but I have no faith in what they say.

But I do think she is young and naive and hasn't fully realized the consequences of her actions for her personally.

My guess is that her calculation was that whatever happened to her was of small consequence compared to the collective gain of knowing the extent of the Russian hacking. She is right but she will pay a dear price. We should supporter her as best we can.

Come on Elon Musk, give her a job!

that those charged with protecting it are afraid that keeping quiet will just allow it to get worse. That's what happens when there is a bunch of abusers in power who have no reverence for justice or our constitution.

She had to know she would soon be busted. But she also knew that the russians and republicans are busy at work on the dark side trying to overthrow American democracy. She did it for the country.

I suspect most people haven't actually looked hard at what she leaked.

It didn't actually expose any manipulation of the election. Only attempts to gain access to to voter registration rolls. With no findings that they had any success.

But if you were paying attention you already knew this. The Obama administration was warning every county election office that this was happening and to be vigilant well before the election.

So we didn't learn anything new other than a few specific details of the how. Because we already knew they were doing this, the Obama Administration first warned the targets and later they put punitive measures in place against Russia for what they did.

So what, really, did we learn from this leaked document that was new? If you have been paying attention very little other than some specific details of the how.

And do those details change anything?

All that makes me think this was a foolish choice of a leak to destroy her future and sacrifice her freedoms over. There wasn't any whistleblower value here in reality because it didn't tell us anything new.

And as someone who works in a field requiring a security clearance my personal standard is that when you accept the position of trust to have access you don't violate that trust unless it's really something that is earth shattering the people need to know and no other means are available to deal with it.

This isn't that. Not even close.

To further cement that this isn't worthy of a leak and what she did, this wasn't a Trump Administration secrete. This all happened and was dealt with under President Obama. So the people who need to know on our side already know, and President Obama knew all this when he took his actions against Russia. He did not feel the need to release this information then because he either felt it would dmamage further investigation or would harm ongoing attempts to monitor Russian hackers by exposing how we do it. I trusted his judgement then and still do now.

amount of years. Her life is f**ked, and for what? There was nothing in that document we didn't know, or at least would of know soon. She will be a felon, probably convicted of espionage against the United States.
I feel sorry for her, she is very young and I doubt she had any idea what she was getting in to.
Even if she is allowed to plea, and does no jail time, she is still a felon, convicted of crimes against the United States. Good luck with your career.

Sorry, I couldn't help myself.

to use for attorney's fees! I can and will donate! This young lady had the power of her convictions and possibly helped impeach the orange One!

Her goal being $10k and she's over $8k right now! Rosie O'Donnell donated $1K so I'm sure she'll meet her goal.

Is that her real name?

I support whistleblowers in general as necessary to hold the powerful accountable.