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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSen. Mark Warner: More state election systems were targeted by Russians
Link to tweet
Sen. Mark Warner (D-VA) told USA Today that Russian attacks on election systems were broader and targeted more states than those detailed in an explosive intelligence report leaked to the website The Intercept.
Said Warner: I dont believe they got into changing actual voting outcomes. But the extent of the attacks is much broader than has been reported so far.
He added that he was pushing intelligence agencies to declassify the names of those states hit to help put electoral systems on notice before the midterm voting in 2018.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/06/06/mark-warner-more-state-election-systems-targeted-by-russians-nsa-senate-intelligence/102549928/
Trial_By_Fire
(624 posts)That's where they do the hacking...
Remember Turd Blossom going crazy about Ohio during the Obama election? It
was because he thought that he had the tabulators in the bag. As if the tabulators
were hacked to prevent a hack by the republicans.
airmid
(500 posts)shiny new machines with the latest and most secure auditing and anti-hacking software, they opted to turn that feature of...
YCHDT
(962 posts)... they could have easily done this with softward
Nevernose
(13,081 posts)The bots pinpoint-targeting people on social media, Hillary's campaign, the privileged people who could safely vote third party (Sarandon, I'm looking at you), all of these played a part, but voter roll purging is what cost Clinton the election most, imo.
I also believe the Russians were neck-deep in all of it.
jmg257
(11,996 posts)spanone
(135,846 posts)Maven
(10,533 posts)Really? Because I do believe they got into changing the outcomes. Why do the people on our side seem so eager to rule out this possibility? Is it because they're more afraid of looking like alarmists and kooks than they are of getting at the truth?
loyalsister
(13,390 posts)So far, they have not suggested that this favored either party. If it was random, it very well appear and actually be that both parties have been wronged. The facts may not necessarily support the belief that this only benefitted republicans.
This should not be approached with even a hint of partisanship.
Maven
(10,533 posts)Which is why we cannot rule out the possibility that voting outcomes have been changed, even if it was done to benefit our party in the past. Realistically, though, we know that irregularities in the numbers in this election and in certain prior ones all seem to benefit one party.
loyalsister
(13,390 posts)Everyone who won in 2016 may wind up being vulnerable to claims that they won because of tampering. I doubt any office holder is going to question the outcomes unless there is evidence compelling enough for them to risk having to abandon their seat.
Maven
(10,533 posts)There is more than enough to indicate that the Russians did everything they could to influence the outcome of the presidential election in Trump's favor. It is premature to state unequivocally that their efforts did not include changing the actual vote count. In fact, based on what we now know, it seems illogical that they would have gone to the lengths they did without trying to change the actual results. Why else would they have tried to hack boards of elections and election services companies?
My point is that the eagerness of Sen. Warner to reassure everyone that voting results were not changed is misplaced. It is actually not reassuring at all. We need to get to the bottom of this without being afraid of "how it looks" to the hyenas on the right. This is not the time to play the adults in the room and cover this over. It's too important.
loyalsister
(13,390 posts)if every single election of 2016 were challenged is just being sensible. This can and should be investigated without promoting hysteria.
Maven
(10,533 posts)Doing so is no better than ruling things in without evidence. There will be chaos down the line anyway, if people do not feel that their elections are legitimate and their leaders have covered that up.
YCHDT
(962 posts)... they can easily do this with voter registration roles.
get the red out
(13,467 posts)Or so they believe.
ElementaryPenguin
(7,800 posts)And NOT elected by the American people!
That's not something that America's going to easily digest - but THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED!
And (maybe) there will come a time when ALL of the evidence is shared with the public.
Docreed2003
(16,865 posts)I gues we're supposed to believe that the election systems were hacked and not a single vote was changed??? Um...ok
TryLogic
(1,723 posts)YCHDT
(962 posts)... the people in minority areas from voting seeing they're less likely (by their guesses) to complain about provisional ballots ... like they did in Florida in 2000
MadLinguist
(790 posts)to anybody discussing the matter. Throw people off the registration rolls, and no vote those thrown off ever try to cast will ever be counted. The tally can be clean as a whistle then. Needs to be said in those hearings, said in reporting, said every damn where.
triron
(22,007 posts)and stopped there. They didn't mess with the vote tabulation?? I doubt it highly.
Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)Warner is or has opened a bag of really smelling stuff. We are in for some eye popping news to come. And yes many of these Tabulators and on line Voting Machines have been hacked. Techies have posted You tube videos showing how easy it is to spoof these machines.
judesedit
(4,439 posts)course Russia got in. How stupid can Americans be? It's right in your face and you still can't see it. Please check out blackboxvoting.org and The Dumbing Down Of America. It definitely worked unfortunately.
sandensea
(21,639 posts)"Yeah, Putin stole it for us and we knew all along - but it's all water under the bridge, right buddy? Right?"
Perseus
(4,341 posts)Remember when they kept insisting that they thought no state records had been hacked?
How about if they get Greg Palast to show the proofs he claims to have?
If they were able to get that far I have to think they went further than that, and Trump did not win anything.
Roy Rolling
(6,918 posts)How can they be sure at this stage if vote totals were changed or not? If they can't confirm it, they can't deny it either.
Achilleaze
(15,543 posts)or America is toast.
TryLogic
(1,723 posts)There needs to be a jobs program for elected Republicans, not in government!
spanone
(135,846 posts)IronLionZion
(45,462 posts)They didn't put forth this level of effort and risk just for practice.
Botany
(70,521 posts)How many elections have been flipped and for how long have they been
cheating? Both Brownback and Scotty Walker's "wins" stink to high
heaven. And the 2015 Gov.'s race in KY doesn't pass the smell test either.
2004 Rep. Peter King
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)If Trump didn't lie and obstruct justice so much, the leaks would not be needed.
Reality Winner versus Reality Loser. Trump's Lies Revealed by Leak.
suston96
(4,175 posts)What and where in the federal election laws or state election codes can this massive election fraud be prosecuted?
It's been too long since it happened.
BigmanPigman
(51,611 posts)AntiFascist
(12,792 posts)the only way election system hacking will ever be prevented is by making this information public.