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kpete

(71,997 posts)
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 01:31 PM Jun 2017

Sen. Mark Warner: More state election systems were targeted by Russians




Sen. Mark Warner (D-VA) told USA Today that Russian attacks on election systems were broader and targeted more states than those detailed in an explosive intelligence report leaked to the website The Intercept.

Said Warner: “I don’t believe they got into changing actual voting outcomes. But the extent of the attacks is much broader than has been reported so far.”

He added that he was pushing intelligence agencies to declassify the names of those states hit to help put electoral systems on notice before the midterm voting in 2018.


https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/06/06/mark-warner-more-state-election-systems-targeted-by-russians-nsa-senate-intelligence/102549928/
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Sen. Mark Warner: More state election systems were targeted by Russians (Original Post) kpete Jun 2017 OP
Tabulators... Trial_By_Fire Jun 2017 #1
They won't get much out of Ohio this time either. Even though the state bought airmid Jun 2017 #14
I still say keeping .5% of people in minority areas off the voter roles and then VID measure does it YCHDT Jun 2017 #17
That .5% is 50% of what went wrong Nevernose Jun 2017 #25
true YCHDT Jun 2017 #29
Great - and what is the US going to do about it? Lay on more sanctions? jmg257 Jun 2017 #2
i wonder why NO ONE thought trump would win? because he didn't. spanone Jun 2017 #3
"I don't believe they got into changing actual voting outcomes" Maven Jun 2017 #4
Maybe because it could call Democratic wins into question? loyalsister Jun 2017 #7
No, it shouldn't be approached with partisanship Maven Jun 2017 #23
There is not nearly enough information to suggest a trend loyalsister Jun 2017 #32
We're getting off track here. Maven Jun 2017 #33
Giving some thought to what kind of chaos would be unleashed loyalsister Jun 2017 #34
It's not promoting hysteria. It's letting the facts unfold without preemptively ruling things out. Maven Jun 2017 #35
They didn't have to change vote outcomes just keep people from voting like the GOP did in 2000 and.. YCHDT Jun 2017 #18
We can't handle the truth get the red out Jun 2017 #26
Because WE CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH THAT AN AMERICAN PRESIDENT WAS APPOINTED BY A RUSSIAN PRESIDENT!!! ElementaryPenguin Jun 2017 #31
Interesting how the caveat of "no evidence of vote changing" comes up every time... Docreed2003 Jun 2017 #5
Indeed. TryLogic Jun 2017 #15
Its a red herring, no votes need to be changed if they hack the registration and just keep .5% of .. YCHDT Jun 2017 #19
This needs to be repeated hundreds of times til it becomes obvious MadLinguist Jun 2017 #36
Yeah sure, Warner, they (Russians) got into these state election systems triron Jun 2017 #6
Something smells to high hell. Wellstone ruled Jun 2017 #8
Don't make me laugh. The public was shown on national television how easy to hack those machines.Of judesedit Jun 2017 #9
Burr's face says it all: sandensea Jun 2017 #10
Why do they insist that no votes were changed? Perseus Jun 2017 #11
Exactly Roy Rolling Jun 2017 #12
KGOP traitors must be exposed, prosecuted, punished Achilleaze Jun 2017 #13
I fear Republicans won't do it regardless of how solid the evidence is. TryLogic Jun 2017 #16
senator warner, facts don't care what anyone 'believes' spanone Jun 2017 #20
Why do it if not to change outcomes? IronLionZion Jun 2017 #21
For this to have worked then Republcans had to have worked w/the Russians Botany Jun 2017 #22
So why are all the Trumpsters lying about the Russians again? Oh yeah. L. Coyote Jun 2017 #24
The question is being asked: So what? suston96 Jun 2017 #27
Don't forget all those illegal votes cast in CA. BigmanPigman Jun 2017 #28
K&R, I applaud his efforts but he and others on the intelligence committee need to push harder... AntiFascist Jun 2017 #30
 

Trial_By_Fire

(624 posts)
1. Tabulators...
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 01:36 PM
Jun 2017

That's where they do the hacking...

Remember Turd Blossom going crazy about Ohio during the Obama election? It
was because he thought that he had the tabulators in the bag. As if the tabulators
were hacked to prevent a hack by the republicans.

airmid

(500 posts)
14. They won't get much out of Ohio this time either. Even though the state bought
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 03:13 PM
Jun 2017

shiny new machines with the latest and most secure auditing and anti-hacking software, they opted to turn that feature of...

YCHDT

(962 posts)
17. I still say keeping .5% of people in minority areas off the voter roles and then VID measure does it
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 03:20 PM
Jun 2017

... they could have easily done this with softward

Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
25. That .5% is 50% of what went wrong
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 03:56 PM
Jun 2017

The bots pinpoint-targeting people on social media, Hillary's campaign, the privileged people who could safely vote third party (Sarandon, I'm looking at you), all of these played a part, but voter roll purging is what cost Clinton the election most, imo.

I also believe the Russians were neck-deep in all of it.

Maven

(10,533 posts)
4. "I don't believe they got into changing actual voting outcomes"
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 01:56 PM
Jun 2017

Really? Because I do believe they got into changing the outcomes. Why do the people on our side seem so eager to rule out this possibility? Is it because they're more afraid of looking like alarmists and kooks than they are of getting at the truth?

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
7. Maybe because it could call Democratic wins into question?
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 02:11 PM
Jun 2017

So far, they have not suggested that this favored either party. If it was random, it very well appear and actually be that both parties have been wronged. The facts may not necessarily support the belief that this only benefitted republicans.

This should not be approached with even a hint of partisanship.

Maven

(10,533 posts)
23. No, it shouldn't be approached with partisanship
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 03:42 PM
Jun 2017

Which is why we cannot rule out the possibility that voting outcomes have been changed, even if it was done to benefit our party in the past. Realistically, though, we know that irregularities in the numbers in this election and in certain prior ones all seem to benefit one party.

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
32. There is not nearly enough information to suggest a trend
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 05:37 PM
Jun 2017

Everyone who won in 2016 may wind up being vulnerable to claims that they won because of tampering. I doubt any office holder is going to question the outcomes unless there is evidence compelling enough for them to risk having to abandon their seat.

Maven

(10,533 posts)
33. We're getting off track here.
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 06:10 PM
Jun 2017

There is more than enough to indicate that the Russians did everything they could to influence the outcome of the presidential election in Trump's favor. It is premature to state unequivocally that their efforts did not include changing the actual vote count. In fact, based on what we now know, it seems illogical that they would have gone to the lengths they did without trying to change the actual results. Why else would they have tried to hack boards of elections and election services companies?

My point is that the eagerness of Sen. Warner to reassure everyone that voting results were not changed is misplaced. It is actually not reassuring at all. We need to get to the bottom of this without being afraid of "how it looks" to the hyenas on the right. This is not the time to play the adults in the room and cover this over. It's too important.

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
34. Giving some thought to what kind of chaos would be unleashed
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 06:25 PM
Jun 2017

if every single election of 2016 were challenged is just being sensible. This can and should be investigated without promoting hysteria.

Maven

(10,533 posts)
35. It's not promoting hysteria. It's letting the facts unfold without preemptively ruling things out.
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 06:30 PM
Jun 2017

Doing so is no better than ruling things in without evidence. There will be chaos down the line anyway, if people do not feel that their elections are legitimate and their leaders have covered that up.

YCHDT

(962 posts)
18. They didn't have to change vote outcomes just keep people from voting like the GOP did in 2000 and..
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 03:21 PM
Jun 2017

... they can easily do this with voter registration roles.

ElementaryPenguin

(7,800 posts)
31. Because WE CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH THAT AN AMERICAN PRESIDENT WAS APPOINTED BY A RUSSIAN PRESIDENT!!!
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 04:45 PM
Jun 2017

And NOT elected by the American people!

That's not something that America's going to easily digest - but THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED!

And (maybe) there will come a time when ALL of the evidence is shared with the public.

Docreed2003

(16,865 posts)
5. Interesting how the caveat of "no evidence of vote changing" comes up every time...
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 02:03 PM
Jun 2017

I gues we're supposed to believe that the election systems were hacked and not a single vote was changed??? Um...ok

YCHDT

(962 posts)
19. Its a red herring, no votes need to be changed if they hack the registration and just keep .5% of ..
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 03:23 PM
Jun 2017

... the people in minority areas from voting seeing they're less likely (by their guesses) to complain about provisional ballots ... like they did in Florida in 2000

MadLinguist

(790 posts)
36. This needs to be repeated hundreds of times til it becomes obvious
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 06:38 PM
Jun 2017

to anybody discussing the matter. Throw people off the registration rolls, and no vote those thrown off ever try to cast will ever be counted. The tally can be clean as a whistle then. Needs to be said in those hearings, said in reporting, said every damn where.

triron

(22,007 posts)
6. Yeah sure, Warner, they (Russians) got into these state election systems
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 02:11 PM
Jun 2017

and stopped there. They didn't mess with the vote tabulation?? I doubt it highly.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
8. Something smells to high hell.
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 02:12 PM
Jun 2017

Warner is or has opened a bag of really smelling stuff. We are in for some eye popping news to come. And yes many of these Tabulators and on line Voting Machines have been hacked. Techies have posted You tube videos showing how easy it is to spoof these machines.

judesedit

(4,439 posts)
9. Don't make me laugh. The public was shown on national television how easy to hack those machines.Of
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 02:45 PM
Jun 2017

course Russia got in. How stupid can Americans be? It's right in your face and you still can't see it. Please check out blackboxvoting.org and The Dumbing Down Of America. It definitely worked unfortunately.

sandensea

(21,639 posts)
10. Burr's face says it all:
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 02:50 PM
Jun 2017

"Yeah, Putin stole it for us and we knew all along - but it's all water under the bridge, right buddy? Right?"

 

Perseus

(4,341 posts)
11. Why do they insist that no votes were changed?
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 02:56 PM
Jun 2017

Remember when they kept insisting that they thought no state records had been hacked?

How about if they get Greg Palast to show the proofs he claims to have?

If they were able to get that far I have to think they went further than that, and Trump did not win anything.

Roy Rolling

(6,918 posts)
12. Exactly
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 03:00 PM
Jun 2017

How can they be sure at this stage if vote totals were changed or not? If they can't confirm it, they can't deny it either.

TryLogic

(1,723 posts)
16. I fear Republicans won't do it regardless of how solid the evidence is.
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 03:17 PM
Jun 2017

There needs to be a jobs program for elected Republicans, not in government!

IronLionZion

(45,462 posts)
21. Why do it if not to change outcomes?
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 03:37 PM
Jun 2017

They didn't put forth this level of effort and risk just for practice.

Botany

(70,521 posts)
22. For this to have worked then Republcans had to have worked w/the Russians
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 03:40 PM
Jun 2017

How many elections have been flipped and for how long have they been
cheating? Both Brownback and Scotty Walker's "wins" stink to high
heaven. And the 2015 Gov.'s race in KY doesn't pass the smell test either.


2004 Rep. Peter King


L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
24. So why are all the Trumpsters lying about the Russians again? Oh yeah.
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 03:46 PM
Jun 2017

If Trump didn't lie and obstruct justice so much, the leaks would not be needed.

Reality Winner versus Reality Loser. Trump's Lies Revealed by Leak.

suston96

(4,175 posts)
27. The question is being asked: So what?
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 03:58 PM
Jun 2017

What and where in the federal election laws or state election codes can this massive election fraud be prosecuted?

It's been too long since it happened.

AntiFascist

(12,792 posts)
30. K&R, I applaud his efforts but he and others on the intelligence committee need to push harder...
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 04:26 PM
Jun 2017

the only way election system hacking will ever be prevented is by making this information public.
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