everyone knows that violent armed men don't really want to hurt people and will only do so when thoughtlessly provoked.

Did you bother to read the post before the knee jerked?

even in the face of armed criminals. I think we are in agreement in this case - there was no real threat to the home owners.

So glad I blocked your forum so I seldom run into this crap.

that the home owners made the right choice but sometimes it doesn't work out? What exactly is the message we should take away from this?

It says the son of a man held at gunpoint came out of the bedroom with an assult rifle and began firing. Aren't assult rifles specifically illegal in California?

Call me a skeptic, but I think spinning this story as any sort of "typical homeowner gun defense" is disingenuous at best.

Pew pew!!

I would like to thank Palin for that gift.

Ok, got it....

I used the quote marks around 'good guys' and 'bad guys' because given the circumstances it seems possible that something other than encyclopedia salesmanship or a book club was taking place, but since it's being reported that the away team started the gun play in this instance I'll grant some sympathy to the home team.

Having framed it that way, I'd rather see the outcome that was than see two dead good guys and two murderers on the loose.