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David Edelstein of New York magazine and their Vulture website issued one of the worst and most misogynistic movie reviews I have ever seen.
Edelstein panned the movie overall while calling it a star turn for Gal Godot as Diana apparently because he found her attractive. In his opening paragraph, he refers to her as the perfect blend of superbabe-in-the-woods innocence and mouthiness. And it goes downhill from there.
Referring to Dianas origin story her mother sculpted her from clay and Zeus then brought her to life Edelstein cant help but tell us Id like to have seen that. In describing Gadot, an Israeli model-actress, he then states: Israeli women are a breed unto themselves, which I say with both admiration and trepidation. OK
Im not going to touch that one.
So what next? Oh, right, he notes that the absence of kinkiness will disappoint viewers:
More:http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/6/5/1669182/-Misogyny-at-the-movies-Wonder-Woman-inspires-one-of-the-most-sexist-movie-reviews-ever
You can read the rest at the link....the man is a sexist pig. This, from New York Magazine.
Me.
(35,454 posts)Beat all competitors including Pirates of The Caribbean. Its success is bringing out the worst in some men.
Thanks me.
Demit
(11,238 posts)What made me do a double take:
"She looks fabulous in her suffragette outfit with little specs, but its not until she strips down to her superheroine bodice and shorts..."
He protested in a piece published today that the criticism was unfair, but I don't think so. His review was filled with loaded language. One or two things might've been inadvertent, but there was too much loaded language & suggestive imagery. I imagine he thought he was being very clever.
sheshe2
(83,791 posts)"I imagine he thought he was being very clever."
Yes, a clever POS.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)sheshe2
(83,791 posts)I will check that out.
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)"...But in the context of this spate of comic-book movies (which I consider a blight, but thats another subject) I underestimated how much a superheroine at the center of a woman-directed film would mean to many people, and descriptions I considered lively and complimentary would come across as demeaning. Moreover, if Wonder Woman will empower women at this moment in history in which reproductive rights are imperiled, and an admitted groper is working to undo decades of gains for women then some of the criticisms of my review are just. I reserve the right to think that this is not, overall, a very good movie. But it is an important one."
His review didn't take into consideration "the context" of the movie in the pantheon of 'super-hero movies' and 'women in the film-industry.'
His review remains tinged with sexist and misogynistic commentary - but it's very eye-opening to be confronted with your own personal prejudices in a public forum.
Everyone wishes they could do better. Maybe he will.
sheshe2
(83,791 posts)A quote from the link...
I underestimated how much a superheroine at the center of a woman-directed film would mean to many people, and >>>descriptions I considered lively and complimentary would come across as demeaning.<<<Moreover, if Wonder Woman will empower women at this moment in history in which reproductive rights are imperiled, and an admitted groper is working to undo decades of gains for women then some of the criticisms of my review are just.
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Yeah why would we think your "descriptions I considered lively and complimentary would come across as demeaning"...
They said..,
"the limpness of the storytelling is certainly preferable to the whacking pacing of other movies of its ilk."....limp, whacking?
Jaysus. He knew exactly what he was saying with his sly sexual innuendos.
Thanks yallerdawg for the link.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)"I underestimated how much a superheroine at the center of a woman-directed film would mean to many people."
Egnever
(21,506 posts)I saw it opening day and it was awesome!
Loved it!
BlueStater
(7,596 posts)He apparently wrote that review with only one hand.
Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)But we still get a sequel!
irisblue
(32,982 posts)MindPilot
(12,693 posts)I can't even imagine what would be a "good" film to the elitists of celluloid.
Did he mention the fact that this is a big deal in the film industry, that a woman directed it, and it is well on it's way to being a huge moneymaker? That it beat out everything else on opening weekend? Oh and a female directed it.
I think Mr Edelstien may be projecting a little bit of himself when he bemoans Diana's non-kinkiness. Not exactly something that comes to mind when I think of WW.
I haven't seen it yet, but about half a dozen co-workers have, and they all returned with rave reviews.
Squinch
(50,955 posts)The Hillary election opened my eyes to exactly how much fury there is out there toward women and what we have accomplished in the last 30 years. It always has this kind of form: "Isn't that cute. The girls are doing something that celebrates themselves. It's OK as long as they're fuckable. If they aren't, it is worthless."
sheshe2
(83,791 posts)You said...
""Isn't that cute. The girls are doing something that celebrates themselves. It's OK as long as they're fuckable. If they aren't, it is worthless." "
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He said...
Presumably they are giving good reviews only because it is politically correct to praise a movie with a strong woman lead and a female director. Then comes some very curious word choice that somehow made it past his editor:
>>>the limpness of the storytelling is certainly preferable to the whacking pacing of other movies of its ilk.<<<
Yes, he really wrote that (though the italicized emphasis is mine). >>>He then noted that the "climax of the movie sent him out happy.<<< How special for him.
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He is so clever...sexual innuendos abound. He gave a half ass apology...he really thinks we don't see his words for what they are?
Fug him.
Squinch
(50,955 posts)who think like him. He's essentially saying, "They think they have something to say, but WE know that they're only worth as much as WE decide they are."
It takes vigilance to avoid becoming bitter.
And I can't help but think, "Must be a Trump voter."
sheshe2
(83,791 posts)I would say that he can kiss my ass....yet I do not him anywhere near me.
NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)but I'm tempted to see Wonder Woman now.
Edelstein probably admired Dump's pussy grabbing comment on Access Hollywood. What a fucking moron.
spanone
(135,844 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)Would the film have been as successful otherwise?
Follow up question: Did any reviewer talk about the physical attractiveness of Tobey Maguire in their review of Spiderman?
Demit
(11,238 posts)And how flushed his face was in battle, and what his shape was in the movie as compared to the comic book? I'd like to see THAT review.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)I very much doubt it.
DavidDvorkin
(19,479 posts)Here's a link: http://www.vulture.com/2017/06/movie-review-wonder-woman-is-a-star-turn-for-gal-gadot.html
The story about it on Kos misrepresents Edelstein's review.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)what the reviewer was looking for. Sounds like a sad as teenage boy wrote this review.
DavidDvorkin
(19,479 posts)Here's a fuller extract:
You're doing what the Kos writer did and misrepresenting the review.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)We're to convey her looks and whether the whole thing was sexy enough. Jeeze look how he describes Linda Carter? Buxom, applecheeked pinup and nothing more. It's obvious it's all about his boner. He's pathetic.
Who are you kidding here?
DavidDvorkin
(19,479 posts)He said that some would disappointed, but that he much preferred the current incarnation of Wonder Woman.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Their looks and how "flushed" they were. Nothing about their acting. But lots about "Israeli women" and "pinups". It's not actually flattering. There's very little about the story or acting and tons about his reactions. Creepy as fuck, and plenty condesending.
You might not have noticed it but thousands of other people were disgusted that crap passed by an editor. And pretty much no one is defending it as criticism. By yeah, were all imagining he's a old perv rating things with his stiffie.
Hekate
(90,714 posts)Remember the splash Thelma and Louise made? Women cheered when the rapist was dispatched BY A WOMAN and men crossed their legs and didn't know what to make of it. Women were similarly moved to sorrow at the end when they flew their car off a cliff rather than be taken alive.
Unlike Thelma and Louise, Wonder Woman is strong from the start, trained as an Amazonian warrior from birth. I can hardly wait to see the movie, but really it is sad to see that a certain class of male reviewers has simply refused to grow up.
Lotusflower70
(3,077 posts)Has such issues. What a weak and pathetic little man.
Locut0s
(6,154 posts)I've seen the film twice now and I really love it. At least as a super hero movie and a symbol of female empowerment. This is by far DCs best super hero film and the best on screen depiction of Wonder Woman. Gal Gadot, the direction (also a woman!), and the writers nail capturing the character of Wonder Woman.
This is the perfect depiction of the character. Her character is disarmingly innocent, kind and loving to a fault, but so morally principled and strong that she outshines almost everyone else on screen. I have to shout out Chris Pines as being an exception. He does a wonderful job as her costar and manages to humanize man kind and "men". In him she realises that there IS good in man kind, and "men". And indeed they fall in love. And of course she fucking hicks ass as a fighter. I loved the way they captured her strength while keeping her femininity. Her attacks were balletic, fast, flexible, yet brutally effective.
I really felt that they were trying to, and successfully pulled off, creating a female super man. Indeed there is a hilarious scene about mid way through where they are trying to find her cloths for her that won't make her stick out in WWI era London. She is of course innocent as the driven snow and so she has no idea why she needs to hide her beauty, has no idea that the world of "men" is misogynist and anti woman. She tries on a number of outfits in a hilarious montage. But the one they settle on does this amazingly perfect job of doing exactly what they want, allows her to blend in. But much more than that it does absolutely nothing to hide per stunning beauty. In fact if anything it somehow manages to highten it in an ironic way. And the straw that breaks the camels back is that they try to give her glasses to make her look even less intimidating, and what we suddenly have is "Female Clark Kent". And I suddenly realized that's who she is in that world. She is female super man. All of the best of femininity personified with as little of the negative as possible. Beauty, strength, kindness, compassion. And with her glasses she stumbles about awkwardly just like Clark Kent does in his attempt to hide himself as being super man. Only in this case her disguise is to hide the fact that she is a stunningly beautiful, powerful, strong woman. Cause that's too much for the men of that era, and sadly this one, to handle.
I walked away from the film with one thought in my head. Fuck, I need to find MY Wonder Woman. Lol. I hope no one feels that I'm being misogynist in having this thought. I don't mean that in any "ownership" sense. It's just that Gadot manages to create such an alluringly perfect fantasy woman (and I mean that not in the male chauvinist sense of the perfect woman) that I felt that I yearned to meet someone like that. Someone with such kindness, compassion, innocence (not in a derogatory way), moral integrity, steel like strength, and such beauty as to be blinding.
Diana is a goddess, both in mythology, the comics and this film. And to be honest when I said "I need to find my Wonder Woman", I really meant I want to find someone I simply worship. lol. She is the sexiest creation I have seen on screen in a LONG time. And I mean sexy in a multi layered sense, of course physically it's impossible not to keep your eyes off her, and I mean that respectfully if possible. But her strength, kindness, innocence and confidence magnify all that 10 fold.
I hope I don't come across as sounding paternalistic in any sense. Because there is always the danger in wanting to "worship" someone, that you dismiss their value as a human being as well.