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BREAKING: COMEY WILL NOT SAY TRUMP TRY TO OBSTRUCT HIM (Original Post) brettdale Jun 2017 OP
He will tell what he knows and leave that conclusion up to others. Goodheart Jun 2017 #1
That is better...if he gives the facts bresue Jun 2017 #9
Correct jberryhill Jun 2017 #27
You misunderstood the news... W_HAMILTON Jun 2017 #2
No i didnt brettdale Jun 2017 #7
Then what headline and statement are you referring to? n/t W_HAMILTON Jun 2017 #10
Why the all cap headline? Kingofalldems Jun 2017 #20
Where's your link? Because I can't find any story to back the headline up. LibraLiz1973 Jun 2017 #52
Were you referring to Coats, maybe? It was reported on MSNBC that he was going to say that. nt Snotcicles Jun 2017 #62
I believe you are wrong Cordy Jun 2017 #64
Of course not. That's a legal conclusion. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2017 #3
This trof Jun 2017 #11
CNN is reporting that Comey never told trump that he was not under FBI investigation NightWatcher Jun 2017 #4
Thank-you! Blue_Roses Jun 2017 #59
Let's wait until the man actually testifies and answers the questions, and follow-ups.... Freethinker65 Jun 2017 #5
Doesn't matter... berksdem Jun 2017 #6
Agreed customerserviceguy Jun 2017 #38
'He "will leave the legal analysis for others," a source tells CNN.' EleanorR Jun 2017 #8
This will be better... bresue Jun 2017 #12
Comey doesn't want the outcome falling on himself, Ilsa Jun 2017 #23
It's not Comey's call. It's the investigators. trof Jun 2017 #13
Right !!! YCHDT Jun 2017 #17
Comey is a snake. Girard442 Jun 2017 #14
It's beginning to look a lot like Fitzmas Loge23 Jun 2017 #15
If you read the articles I posted below, I think you may be right. Comey is not out for blood, not kerry-is-my-prez Jun 2017 #46
That's a legal conclusion, Comey can say Trump kicked him in the nuts, threatened his kids and put a YCHDT Jun 2017 #16
Thank you. Bleacher Creature Jun 2017 #44
Never expected him to offer that judgement- others have to determine that pattern. bettyellen Jun 2017 #18
Not even a good try. Kingofalldems Jun 2017 #19
WUR DOOOMED! Warren DeMontague Jun 2017 #21
Technically, no, but gave him what he thought, was an offer he could not refuse MiddleClass Jun 2017 #22
That isn't his judgement to make. What we need from him are the facts. pnwmom Jun 2017 #24
he shouldn't give his opinion. let the facts speak for themselves... spanone Jun 2017 #25
It's usually a good idea to avoid putting all your hopes and fears into one person's WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2017 #26
mainly because half the people i was with believed it until I explained the situation to them JTFrog Jun 2017 #28
:) nt. NCTraveler Jun 2017 #30
Your knee just gave me a black eye. Nt NCTraveler Jun 2017 #29
I got singed by the hair on fire. nt Persisted Jun 2017 #54
I'm kinda glad he's fucking with Trump, but Comey is a grade A prima dona Bucky Jun 2017 #31
Link? mcar Jun 2017 #32
No link necessary when it's all caps. Kingofalldems Jun 2017 #36
Of course! mcar Jun 2017 #58
It's on ABC site, plus the Daily Beast. Comey sounds like he's downplaying kerry-is-my-prez Jun 2017 #41
The longer ABC article: kerry-is-my-prez Jun 2017 #43
The smart play Turbineguy Jun 2017 #33
Here's some obstruction of justice for you, Brettdale: Kingofalldems Jun 2017 #34
Of course he won't, like a good cop, he will leave it to the prosecution. PubliusEnigma Jun 2017 #35
ALREADY BROKEN: THAT'S NOT HIS JOB Stinky The Clown Jun 2017 #37
That is not what Rachel is saying nt doc03 Jun 2017 #39
Why would he do that? He is just going to give facts. nt Quixote1818 Jun 2017 #40
BREAKING: HE'S NOT A JURY. HE'S A WITNESS. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2017 #42
Exactly. He is a witness, not a prosecutor, not a judge Justice Jun 2017 #47
cool story bigtree Jun 2017 #45
Comey is going to be a big disappointment -- Remember the email server press conference? Azathoth Jun 2017 #48
I agree, Comey will say a bunch of ambiguous horse shit njhoneybadger Jun 2017 #53
LOL, Will Comey sentence Trumpy at the hearing too? FSogol Jun 2017 #49
If he is asked "Did Trump try to Obstruct you?" brettdale Jun 2017 #50
He probably will not say "no" but will only report exactly what Trump said and be weasely about it. kerry-is-my-prez Jun 2017 #51
A complete disaster! .99center Jun 2017 #56
No, he will respond by reporting what Trump said to him. NYC Liberal Jun 2017 #65
Wow! Trolls are working triple overtime trying to convince everyone that there's nothing to see MedusaX Jun 2017 #55
+100,000,000 oasis Jun 2017 #60
I told you so... Yavin4 Jun 2017 #57
Huh? n/t malaise Jun 2017 #69
I suspect that this is a total House of Cards setup with walkingman Jun 2017 #61
agree with your post brettdale Jun 2017 #63
BULLETIN! Looks like you were wrong, brettdale. Kingofalldems Jun 2017 #66
Whoa! Kingofalldems Jun 2017 #67
Oh brettdale---where are you? Kingofalldems Jun 2017 #68

bresue

(1,007 posts)
9. That is better...if he gives the facts
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 07:09 PM
Jun 2017

I was a nurse for 20 years, and I would assume that these FBI notes are similar to nurse's notes. We were always encouraged not to write a story...but to write what occurred, what was said, at what time...facts. We could not even use "appears" because this would be giving a subjective opinion.

Hope I am making sense....?

W_HAMILTON

(7,869 posts)
2. You misunderstood the news...
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 07:04 PM
Jun 2017

...they said that Comey will say that he did NOT tell Trump that he was not under investigation, contrary to what Trump has claimed.

brettdale

(12,382 posts)
7. No i didnt
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 07:07 PM
Jun 2017

The headline and statement was that Comey will say "Trump didnt try to Obstruct him"


Did we really think Trump would get caught?

Cordy

(82 posts)
64. I believe you are wrong
Wed Jun 7, 2017, 12:30 AM
Jun 2017

Comey will not say Trump obstructed justice, because it is not his job to say that. His narrow job is to present the facts - only. Not interject a personal opinion which would make him a biased witness.

The Special Prosecutor will have no problem connecting the dots between James Comey, Preet Bharara, and Sally Yates who were involved in this Russian investigation.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,735 posts)
3. Of course not. That's a legal conclusion.
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 07:05 PM
Jun 2017

Comey is just a witness. It's up to Mueller to decide whether the facts Comey describes are evidence of obstruction of justice.

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
4. CNN is reporting that Comey never told trump that he was not under FBI investigation
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 07:06 PM
Jun 2017

trump said Comey told him three times that he wasn't under investigation. Comey will say that this is a lie.

Comey won't say if he thinks it was obstruction or not. It's not his place to determine what Obstruction is in this case. It's up to prosecutors to determine obstruction.

This is still good news for us. It shows trump is a liar.

berksdem

(595 posts)
6. Doesn't matter...
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 07:07 PM
Jun 2017

People are treating this like the final nail in the coffin. It will be nothing more than overplayed hype. Grandstanding by Comey an nothing more..... I have no faith this will do anything....

We know Trump is a liar but this is not going to be anything more than the usual banter.

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
38. Agreed
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 09:00 PM
Jun 2017

and all the build up for this, including the big three broadcast networks suspending those stupid afternoon judge shows, and "who's the father" crapola, will just convince a lot of people that there's nothing going on. That will make them pay even less attention than they are now, I'm afraid.

EleanorR

(2,393 posts)
8. 'He "will leave the legal analysis for others," a source tells CNN.'
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 07:08 PM
Jun 2017
In addition, one source familiar with Comey's testimony says that Comey is not going to conclude whether the President obstructed justice regarding the agency's Russia investigation, according to a source with knowledge. Rather, this source says, Comey plans to present himself as a "fact witness" by simply describing the interactions with the President on multiple occasions that made him uneasy enough to memorialize their conversations. He "will leave the legal analysis for others," a source tells CNN.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/06/politics/comey-testimony-refute-trump-russian-investigation/index.html?adkey=bn

bresue

(1,007 posts)
12. This will be better...
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 07:13 PM
Jun 2017

Facts are always better...since we know Dump did not use the exact word "obstruct" to Comey, Comey will state the exact wording that was said to him.

Ilsa

(61,695 posts)
23. Comey doesn't want the outcome falling on himself,
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 07:53 PM
Jun 2017

at least not solely on himself. He wants to remain the objective witness and let others draw conclusions. He and his family will be safer this way.

trof

(54,256 posts)
13. It's not Comey's call. It's the investigators.
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 07:13 PM
Jun 2017

Of course he won't.
The guy's a feckin' attorney.
He knows how it works.
He will say what happened.
It will be up to the investigators to say what laws were broken.

Girard442

(6,077 posts)
14. Comey is a snake.
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 07:23 PM
Jun 2017

We can hope he'll turn and bite Trump, but he'll still be a snake, no matter what.

Obligatory apology to decent hardworking reptiles everywhere.

Loge23

(3,922 posts)
15. It's beginning to look a lot like Fitzmas
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 07:24 PM
Jun 2017

I for one do not have any optimism in Comey's testimony. Any good that comes out of this, in regard to getting rid of the IPOTUS, will be a great surprise.
Thing is, it's on us. We can't lay back and keep hoping one person will change everything for us - we have to organize and take our non-violent actions public.
We've been down this road before. Let's be strong and let's keep our pressure on, but let's also understand that this is on us, not the guy who screwed our candidate right before the election.

kerry-is-my-prez

(8,133 posts)
46. If you read the articles I posted below, I think you may be right. Comey is not out for blood, not
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 09:42 PM
Jun 2017

a hostile witness, but will just state factual answers to the questions he is asked. If he's asked for his impressions or opinions, he will probably not answer that. Many times in court, they will ask a witness for their impressions or opinions and a hostile witness will state something like "the accused did not look like they were upset." Or "they looked nervous."

If they ask "Did Trump ask you not to 'go after' Flynn, instead of saying "yes," he will just state the facts, i.e. whatever Trump said verbatim.

Excuse my awkward legalese, I am not a lawyer. Only an expert on legal tv shows and took a few law classes.

YCHDT

(962 posts)
16. That's a legal conclusion, Comey can say Trump kicked him in the nuts, threatened his kids and put a
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 07:24 PM
Jun 2017

... gun to his head if he didn't stop the investigation too.

Bleacher Creature

(11,257 posts)
44. Thank you.
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 09:36 PM
Jun 2017

I was going to post the same thing, albeit without the extra detail (which provided an awesome visual, by the way).

MiddleClass

(888 posts)
22. Technically, no, but gave him what he thought, was an offer he could not refuse
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 07:37 PM
Jun 2017

The President in the United States, don't try, they Compel

the President of the United states tells you something is a good idea.

That is not obstruction, that's a threat

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
24. That isn't his judgement to make. What we need from him are the facts.
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 07:57 PM
Jun 2017

Then the lawyers and the public can decide if it's obstruction or not.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,357 posts)
26. It's usually a good idea to avoid putting all your hopes and fears into one person's
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 08:00 PM
Jun 2017

testimony in something like this. This is going to be a long ride; get comfortable and rest easy.

kerry-is-my-prez

(8,133 posts)
41. It's on ABC site, plus the Daily Beast. Comey sounds like he's downplaying
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 09:08 PM
Jun 2017

Report: Comey Will Not Accuse Trump of Obstructing Justice in Flynn Probe

http://www.thedailybeast.com/report-comey-will-not-accuse-trump-of-obstructing-justice-in-flynn-probe?via=mobile&source=copyurl

Former FBI Director James Comey will stop short of accusing President Trump of obstructing justice during his upcoming public testimony before the Senate Intelligence Committee. ABC News reported on Tuesday that Comey told associates he will testify that the president did not interfere with the FBI’s probe into former national security advisor Michael Flynn, after having previously noted in a memo that the president said he hoped the FBI would drop the Flynn investigation. “He is not going to Congress to make accusations about the president’s intent, instead he’s there to share his concerns,” a source told ABC News. The former FBI director also plans to counter the president’s public assertion that Comey repeatedly assured him that he was not being scrutinized as part of the Russia probe.

kerry-is-my-prez

(8,133 posts)
43. The longer ABC article:
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 09:23 PM
Jun 2017
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/exclusive-comey-stop-short-trump-obstructed-justice-flynn/story?id=47865739


There will be much in former FBI Director James Comey’s upcoming congressional testimony that will make the White House uncomfortable, but he will stop short of saying the president interfered with the agency's probe into former national security adviser Michael Flynn, a source familiar with Comey's thinking told ABC News.

-snip-

The request made Comey uncomfortable, but the source tells ABC News that Comey has told associates he will not accuse the president of obstructing justice.

“He is not going to Congress to make accusations about the president’s intent, instead he’s there to share his concerns,” the source said, and tell the committee “what made him uneasy” and why he felt a need to write the memo documenting the conversation.

Some legal experts told ABC News that Trump's requests as detailed in the memo, which ABC News has not seen, could meet the legal definition of obstruction.

Turbineguy

(37,343 posts)
33. The smart play
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 08:17 PM
Jun 2017

Just the facts Ma'm

As I understand it, Trumps comment/question was open to interpretation.

I've had experience with this. Manager asks question. If you do what manager asks, you break the law. Manager can claim lack of knowledge. The expert is supposed to give honest answer. Honest answer is "No". Everybody is off the hook.

PubliusEnigma

(1,583 posts)
35. Of course he won't, like a good cop, he will leave it to the prosecution.
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 08:28 PM
Jun 2017

His testimony on Thursday will be filled with goodies, though.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,182 posts)
42. BREAKING: HE'S NOT A JURY. HE'S A WITNESS.
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 09:10 PM
Jun 2017

It's not his job to determine Trump's guilt or innocence. His only job is to testify.

Azathoth

(4,610 posts)
48. Comey is going to be a big disappointment -- Remember the email server press conference?
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 09:46 PM
Jun 2017

Comey views himself as a larger-than-life, above-the-fray lawman, which means he doesn't stoop to "taking sides." He will deliberately refuse to say anything that would constitute open-and-shut obstruction. He'll say weak, subjective things like he "felt uncomfortable" and the situation "was inappropriate," but he will deliberately fall short of saying "I believed he wanted me to shut down the investigation."

He did the same thing with the Hillary investigation. He told people no sane prosecutor would pursue charges, and then he spent 10 minutes essentially making the case for pursuing charges. In his mind, he was somehow straddling the middle by refusing to prosecute while also tarnishing her as badly as possible. He will do the same thing here, cast doubt on Trump while conspicuously refusing to say anything that crosses the threshold of criminality.

I am willing to bet we will be nowhere closer to prosecuting Trump on Friday morning than we are right now.

brettdale

(12,382 posts)
50. If he is asked "Did Trump try to Obstruct you?"
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 09:49 PM
Jun 2017

He is going to say, "No."

And that is a disaster for people like us who want Trumpy to go down.

kerry-is-my-prez

(8,133 posts)
51. He probably will not say "no" but will only report exactly what Trump said and be weasely about it.
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 09:56 PM
Jun 2017

So I think it may be Fitzmas again, or close to it.

.99center

(1,237 posts)
56. A complete disaster!
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 10:43 PM
Jun 2017

The whole colluding with Russia story just falls apart because of Comey! The FBI and special prosecutor will surely stop their investigations after hearing Comey!!

NYC Liberal

(20,136 posts)
65. No, he will respond by reporting what Trump said to him.
Wed Jun 7, 2017, 12:39 AM
Jun 2017

The legal effects of what he said and did will be left to the investigators.

MedusaX

(1,129 posts)
55. Wow! Trolls are working triple overtime trying to convince everyone that there's nothing to see
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 10:36 PM
Jun 2017

Here, folks...

Acting as if it would in our best interest to just give up ....
Accept the fact that we've been fucked over royally ...
Hell, next they'll suggest we need to convince ourselves we enjoy it...

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You do fucking realize that Comey cannot truthfully say that Trump tried to obstruct an ongoing investigation....
Because at that point in time It was not known by the public nor *45 that there even was a fucking investigation going on....

So, *45 basically suggested that Comey should not bother to investigate Flynn...
IOW attempted to influence the Dir of FBI to overlook, disregard, ignore the possibility that there needed to be any investigation

Then
When it became public knowledge that there were ongoing investigations involving grand juries etc.
And *45
realized Comey had not followed the earlier suggestion to shirk his legal responsibility to investigate possible criminal acts ....
*45 fired him
*45 then admitted that he did so because *45 thinks the Russia Investigations are Not valid in purpose..

Problem:
It is not within the purview of the Executive branch to determine what should/should not be investigated & /or prosecuted ...

As such, the series of actions by *45 is what establishes that his initial "suggestion" was purposefully made in an effort to supress ANY existing/future possible investigation
Which is an abuse of executive power

Firing Comey for investigating possible crimes by people that *45 does not want investigated
Is an abuse of executive power

Combined, these acts establish that *45 attempted to usurp the power of the Judicial branch
Which is an abuse of executive power

Each&Every abuse of executive power is an impeachable offense.

All Comey needs to do is answer the questions...

walkingman

(7,628 posts)
61. I suspect that this is a total House of Cards setup with
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 11:57 PM
Jun 2017

Comey giving Trump an out. It will give Trump cover and the GOP with wholeheartedly agree and push, push, push for their extreme right-wing agenda. The GOP voters will concur and once again we will see America go back to being a Banana Republic. I also suspect another "Support the Troops" moment.

We Americans love WAR.....it is our history, nothing will change. White people will never stop the insanity.

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