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BREAKING NOW.
this fuckin sucks.
Goodheart
(5,327 posts)bresue
(1,007 posts)I was a nurse for 20 years, and I would assume that these FBI notes are similar to nurse's notes. We were always encouraged not to write a story...but to write what occurred, what was said, at what time...facts. We could not even use "appears" because this would be giving a subjective opinion.
Hope I am making sense....?
Symptoms : diagnosis :: facts : legal conclusions
W_HAMILTON
(7,869 posts)...they said that Comey will say that he did NOT tell Trump that he was not under investigation, contrary to what Trump has claimed.
brettdale
(12,382 posts)The headline and statement was that Comey will say "Trump didnt try to Obstruct him"
Did we really think Trump would get caught?
W_HAMILTON
(7,869 posts)n/t
Kingofalldems
(38,458 posts)LibraLiz1973
(8,197 posts)Snotcicles
(9,089 posts)Cordy
(82 posts)Comey will not say Trump obstructed justice, because it is not his job to say that. His narrow job is to present the facts - only. Not interject a personal opinion which would make him a biased witness.
The Special Prosecutor will have no problem connecting the dots between James Comey, Preet Bharara, and Sally Yates who were involved in this Russian investigation.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,735 posts)Comey is just a witness. It's up to Mueller to decide whether the facts Comey describes are evidence of obstruction of justice.
trof
(54,256 posts)NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)trump said Comey told him three times that he wasn't under investigation. Comey will say that this is a lie.
Comey won't say if he thinks it was obstruction or not. It's not his place to determine what Obstruction is in this case. It's up to prosecutors to determine obstruction.
This is still good news for us. It shows trump is a liar.
Blue_Roses
(12,894 posts)Nt
Freethinker65
(10,024 posts)berksdem
(595 posts)People are treating this like the final nail in the coffin. It will be nothing more than overplayed hype. Grandstanding by Comey an nothing more..... I have no faith this will do anything....
We know Trump is a liar but this is not going to be anything more than the usual banter.
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)and all the build up for this, including the big three broadcast networks suspending those stupid afternoon judge shows, and "who's the father" crapola, will just convince a lot of people that there's nothing going on. That will make them pay even less attention than they are now, I'm afraid.
EleanorR
(2,393 posts)http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/06/politics/comey-testimony-refute-trump-russian-investigation/index.html?adkey=bn
bresue
(1,007 posts)Facts are always better...since we know Dump did not use the exact word "obstruct" to Comey, Comey will state the exact wording that was said to him.
Ilsa
(61,695 posts)at least not solely on himself. He wants to remain the objective witness and let others draw conclusions. He and his family will be safer this way.
trof
(54,256 posts)Of course he won't.
The guy's a feckin' attorney.
He knows how it works.
He will say what happened.
It will be up to the investigators to say what laws were broken.
Girard442
(6,077 posts)We can hope he'll turn and bite Trump, but he'll still be a snake, no matter what.
Obligatory apology to decent hardworking reptiles everywhere.
Loge23
(3,922 posts)I for one do not have any optimism in Comey's testimony. Any good that comes out of this, in regard to getting rid of the IPOTUS, will be a great surprise.
Thing is, it's on us. We can't lay back and keep hoping one person will change everything for us - we have to organize and take our non-violent actions public.
We've been down this road before. Let's be strong and let's keep our pressure on, but let's also understand that this is on us, not the guy who screwed our candidate right before the election.
kerry-is-my-prez
(8,133 posts)a hostile witness, but will just state factual answers to the questions he is asked. If he's asked for his impressions or opinions, he will probably not answer that. Many times in court, they will ask a witness for their impressions or opinions and a hostile witness will state something like "the accused did not look like they were upset." Or "they looked nervous."
If they ask "Did Trump ask you not to 'go after' Flynn, instead of saying "yes," he will just state the facts, i.e. whatever Trump said verbatim.
Excuse my awkward legalese, I am not a lawyer. Only an expert on legal tv shows and took a few law classes.
YCHDT
(962 posts)... gun to his head if he didn't stop the investigation too.
Bleacher Creature
(11,257 posts)I was going to post the same thing, albeit without the extra detail (which provided an awesome visual, by the way).
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Kingofalldems
(38,458 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)DOOOOOOOMED!
MiddleClass
(888 posts)The President in the United States, don't try, they Compel
the President of the United states tells you something is a good idea.
That is not obstruction, that's a threat
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)Then the lawyers and the public can decide if it's obstruction or not.
spanone
(135,844 posts)WhiskeyGrinder
(22,357 posts)testimony in something like this. This is going to be a long ride; get comfortable and rest easy.
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Persisted
(290 posts)Bucky
(54,027 posts)Kingofalldems
(38,458 posts)mcar
(42,334 posts)kerry-is-my-prez
(8,133 posts)Report: Comey Will Not Accuse Trump of Obstructing Justice in Flynn Probe
http://www.thedailybeast.com/report-comey-will-not-accuse-trump-of-obstructing-justice-in-flynn-probe?via=mobile&source=copyurl
Former FBI Director James Comey will stop short of accusing President Trump of obstructing justice during his upcoming public testimony before the Senate Intelligence Committee. ABC News reported on Tuesday that Comey told associates he will testify that the president did not interfere with the FBIs probe into former national security advisor Michael Flynn, after having previously noted in a memo that the president said he hoped the FBI would drop the Flynn investigation. He is not going to Congress to make accusations about the presidents intent, instead hes there to share his concerns, a source told ABC News. The former FBI director also plans to counter the presidents public assertion that Comey repeatedly assured him that he was not being scrutinized as part of the Russia probe.
kerry-is-my-prez
(8,133 posts)There will be much in former FBI Director James Comeys upcoming congressional testimony that will make the White House uncomfortable, but he will stop short of saying the president interfered with the agency's probe into former national security adviser Michael Flynn, a source familiar with Comey's thinking told ABC News.
-snip-
The request made Comey uncomfortable, but the source tells ABC News that Comey has told associates he will not accuse the president of obstructing justice.
He is not going to Congress to make accusations about the presidents intent, instead hes there to share his concerns, the source said, and tell the committee what made him uneasy and why he felt a need to write the memo documenting the conversation.
Some legal experts told ABC News that Trump's requests as detailed in the memo, which ABC News has not seen, could meet the legal definition of obstruction.
Turbineguy
(37,343 posts)Just the facts Ma'm
As I understand it, Trumps comment/question was open to interpretation.
I've had experience with this. Manager asks question. If you do what manager asks, you break the law. Manager can claim lack of knowledge. The expert is supposed to give honest answer. Honest answer is "No". Everybody is off the hook.
Kingofalldems
(38,458 posts)PubliusEnigma
(1,583 posts)His testimony on Thursday will be filled with goodies, though.
Stinky The Clown
(67,808 posts)doc03
(35,348 posts)Quixote1818
(28,946 posts)Tommy_Carcetti
(43,182 posts)It's not his job to determine Trump's guilt or innocence. His only job is to testify.
Justice
(7,188 posts)bigtree
(85,998 posts)...brettdale.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029166584
Azathoth
(4,610 posts)Comey views himself as a larger-than-life, above-the-fray lawman, which means he doesn't stoop to "taking sides." He will deliberately refuse to say anything that would constitute open-and-shut obstruction. He'll say weak, subjective things like he "felt uncomfortable" and the situation "was inappropriate," but he will deliberately fall short of saying "I believed he wanted me to shut down the investigation."
He did the same thing with the Hillary investigation. He told people no sane prosecutor would pursue charges, and then he spent 10 minutes essentially making the case for pursuing charges. In his mind, he was somehow straddling the middle by refusing to prosecute while also tarnishing her as badly as possible. He will do the same thing here, cast doubt on Trump while conspicuously refusing to say anything that crosses the threshold of criminality.
I am willing to bet we will be nowhere closer to prosecuting Trump on Friday morning than we are right now.
njhoneybadger
(3,910 posts)Just like he did with Hillary
FSogol
(45,488 posts)brettdale
(12,382 posts)He is going to say, "No."
And that is a disaster for people like us who want Trumpy to go down.
kerry-is-my-prez
(8,133 posts)So I think it may be Fitzmas again, or close to it.
.99center
(1,237 posts)The whole colluding with Russia story just falls apart because of Comey! The FBI and special prosecutor will surely stop their investigations after hearing Comey!!
NYC Liberal
(20,136 posts)The legal effects of what he said and did will be left to the investigators.
MedusaX
(1,129 posts)Here, folks...
Acting as if it would in our best interest to just give up ....
Accept the fact that we've been fucked over royally ...
Hell, next they'll suggest we need to convince ourselves we enjoy it...
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You do fucking realize that Comey cannot truthfully say that Trump tried to obstruct an ongoing investigation....
Because at that point in time It was not known by the public nor *45 that there even was a fucking investigation going on....
So, *45 basically suggested that Comey should not bother to investigate Flynn...
IOW attempted to influence the Dir of FBI to overlook, disregard, ignore the possibility that there needed to be any investigation
Then
When it became public knowledge that there were ongoing investigations involving grand juries etc.
And *45
realized Comey had not followed the earlier suggestion to shirk his legal responsibility to investigate possible criminal acts ....
*45 fired him
*45 then admitted that he did so because *45 thinks the Russia Investigations are Not valid in purpose..
Problem:
It is not within the purview of the Executive branch to determine what should/should not be investigated & /or prosecuted ...
As such, the series of actions by *45 is what establishes that his initial "suggestion" was purposefully made in an effort to supress ANY existing/future possible investigation
Which is an abuse of executive power
Firing Comey for investigating possible crimes by people that *45 does not want investigated
Is an abuse of executive power
Combined, these acts establish that *45 attempted to usurp the power of the Judicial branch
Which is an abuse of executive power
Each&Every abuse of executive power is an impeachable offense.
All Comey needs to do is answer the questions...
oasis
(49,389 posts)Yavin4
(35,442 posts)No way Comey testifies if he incriminates Trump.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029163190
walkingman
(7,628 posts)Comey giving Trump an out. It will give Trump cover and the GOP with wholeheartedly agree and push, push, push for their extreme right-wing agenda. The GOP voters will concur and once again we will see America go back to being a Banana Republic. I also suspect another "Support the Troops" moment.
We Americans love WAR.....it is our history, nothing will change. White people will never stop the insanity.
brettdale
(12,382 posts)I hope Im wrong, but trump is going to love thursday.