Why should make believe be allowed to effect the lives of real people?

Should men not be able to take viagra because it might offend Tinkerbell?

but the zealots think religion is deadly serious. Have done for about 1800 years.

They just KNOW they are saving unborn babies' lives...

There are folks like me who are Democrats because of our faith. Please don't assume that all Christians are conservative fundamentalists.

Increase the number of abortions. They dont want people gettin laid. Cause they cant.

"Religion is make believe..."

As are laws and nations, existing nowhere but our biased imaginations.

It's against the law to run a red light. The reason there are traffic signals is to mitigate accidents. There is no "imiginary bias" in the fact that people get killed when cars collide.

BTW - the "everything in life is just as fictional as religion" is a lame defense/excuse for the conceit that is religion.

this is just crazy.

But where in the hell are reasonable men in this country? Where are your voices supporting the women that you know depend on birth control? Where ARE you? We are your wives, your girlfriends, your daughters for christ sakes. Fathers, do you think your daughters are at college not having sex? Do you want them to take birth control? Hell YES you do because you want them to have a chance at being self sufficient women before they have families. Clearly women aren't valued enough in this country that access to birth control is a given, it is now a political football. We aren't allowed to make these important decisions about our bodies. Goddamit!! WTF?!?!? I am so angry about this. Reasonable men ought to be by our sides on this to shut it down once and for all. Religious liberty my ass. Control the women. Control the conversation. Fuck that.

And will resist this trash mockery of an executive order.

I am afraid basic human rights for women are in serious trouble.

The ACLU is doing some great work. Please support it all you can.

The pills should be more common than skittles.

with decent jobs with employers who provide expensive insurance benefits to employees. They are not the working class, by and large. There are programs (or were...until the GOP healthcare bill gets passed) that help poor and working class women get birth control pills.

Where I worked, every single woman there was fully able to pay the copay for birth control pills. They made good salaries.

My co-workers were paying maybe $30/month for bcp. They spent more than that on going out to lunch for several days.

But the cost to insurance companies is enormous, because of the sheer number of women involved, and it's not an "illness" that ends. It's an infinite, permanent, and growing cost. The cost to my employer was at least $100,000 a year...which the insurance companies paid, and then added to the cost of the insurance.

There are multiple kinds of birth control. An IUD can be a one time cost and last for years. There are also diaphrams and sponges. Etc., etc.

I just don't think this is a needed health care cost that should be totally absorbed by insurance companies (who pass the cost on to all insureds), since the copay is not overly costly per woman, and it is usually for middle class women, many of whom are in better financial shape than the ones whose premiums are increased to pay for the bcp.

(Planned Parenthood currently provides free bcp to low income women, and there are programs that provide free IUDs to low income women.)

However, it doesn't sound legal that Trump can change a legal healthcare law by Executive Order. So it would end up in the courts, anyway. Since that was passed by legislation, it doesn't seem like something the Executive Branch can change.

who saw his contribution to his insurance increase by $30 so that the secretary down the hall who earns $65,000 a year doesn't have to spend $30/month copay on her birth control pills, but who spends $35 a week eating lunch out. That was really the case where I worked.

That is really what this is. This benefit is not for working class women, who don't have jobs with insurance benefits, usually.

There's nothing wrong with covering birth control pills the same way as other medications. Plus there are various types of birth control. I went through the whole birth control gamut myself.

And business and insurance have more clout than the RR.

compared to bc. If all the women taking bc got pregnant instead, how much would everybody's premium increase?? Women have to pay increased premium for Viagra prescriptions and nobody is bitching about that. Wth good is viagra if the men taking it can't have sex without somebody getting pregnant. This is seriously messed up.

Of the trial balloon just as the OP wondered...