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Recursion

(56,582 posts)
Thu Jun 8, 2017, 02:44 AM Jun 2017

Why do we run a trade deficit with Canada?

They're our largest trading partner under any of our free trade agreements. They have a higher minimum wage, higher unionization, stronger environmental protections, and all the other factors that people claim led us to a trade deficit with Mexico under the exact same agreement, but they manage to run a trade surplus with us. Why?

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Kaleva

(36,312 posts)
4. We import more oil from Canada then any other country.
Thu Jun 8, 2017, 06:00 AM
Jun 2017

About 1/3 of the softwood lumber used in the US comes from Canada. There isn't much of a market for American lumber in Canada.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
5. That's begging the question
Thu Jun 8, 2017, 06:15 AM
Jun 2017

>> There isn't much of a market for American lumber in Canada.

Well, right, that's what I'm asking about. Why does Canada sell more timber to us than we to them? Multiply that by a thousand or so sectors. When the country in question is Mexico, we say "their workers make less than ours", but the opposite is the case with Canada.

For that matter we harvest more timber than Canada does: https://www.woodmarkets.com/canada-u-s-top-20-lumber-producers-annual-ranking-2015/

Kaleva

(36,312 posts)
7. Canada has no need to import oil or lumber from the US
Thu Jun 8, 2017, 06:19 AM
Jun 2017

They have more then enough to meet their needs. The US has vast quantities of oil and lumber but not enough to meet our demands so we import to make up the difference.

 

Spider Jerusalem

(21,786 posts)
8. Because the USA has 320 million people and Canada has 30 million?
Thu Jun 8, 2017, 06:22 AM
Jun 2017

And the USA uses commensurately more resources and has to import what it can't produce. Canada has much larger oil reserves than the USA even though it produces oil at a lower rate. Canada also has more forest than the USA (slightly, 9% of the world's forests vs 8% in the USA) even though its timber industry is not as large.

 

Spider Jerusalem

(21,786 posts)
9. Which means fuck-all when you use it all and need to import more to meet demand
Thu Jun 8, 2017, 06:25 AM
Jun 2017

the US produces around 8.6 million barrels of oil a day and uses more than 19 milllion. Even saying "we have more than they do! Why do we have a trade deficit?" betrays some pretty serious Trump-level ignorance of certain economic facts.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
11. Our standard of living and Canada's are much closer, and products
Thu Jun 8, 2017, 08:10 AM
Jun 2017

from China are relatively cheaper.

Canada isn't flooding our market with cheap knock-offs.

hunter

(38,317 posts)
15. China is now capable of making world class high quality goods...
Thu Jun 8, 2017, 10:18 AM
Jun 2017

... including machine tools and other technologies that were once the exclusive domain of European and North American industry.

Chinese manufacturers are also willing to sell U.S. retailers crap.

When we import crap made to our specifications and absurdly low price points it's on us.

dawg

(10,624 posts)
10. If I had to hazard a guess, I'd say that wealthy Canadians probably invest ...
Thu Jun 8, 2017, 07:32 AM
Jun 2017

in U.S. stocks, buy U.S. bonds, and probably U.S. real estate as well. Dollars they invest in the U.S. are not available for spending on U.S. products.

Another possibility is that we are running an offsetting surplus with Canada in services or intellectual property or some other category that may not be properly measured by the trade deficit computations.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
14. The numbers include trade in services
Thu Jun 8, 2017, 09:06 AM
Jun 2017

We run a trade deficit because we've pursued a strong dollar policy for 25 years. The disconnect is the assumption that that's a bad thing.

 

nikibatts

(2,198 posts)
13. Because it really means zilch to our economy. We are consumers first. Not other country's problem
Thu Jun 8, 2017, 08:16 AM
Jun 2017

that we are the biggest consumers on earth. Trade deficit is another faux issue just like the national deficit. It only mean something when the GOP says it does OR when everyone in the pot tries to collect at the same time..which will not happen. And if it does, we can just print more money or begin to mine bitcoins.

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