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Sparkly

(24,149 posts)
Thu Jun 8, 2017, 06:43 PM Jun 2017

Sen. James Risch on CNN -- "The Russians TRIED to affect the election, but they failed!"

ARGH!!! I am SO sick of hearing this.

If Hillary Clinton had won, we could say they failed. But their preferred candidate won, so we can't say they failed. Chances are very good that they DID affect the election and succeeded in getting the outcome everyone agrees they wanted.

This is sloppy shorthand for "we can't prove they changed votes by tampering with machinery." It doesn't mean "they didn't change the outcome."

- They sent bots and trolls through social media, comment threads and message boards to spread FALSE stories about Sec. Clinton.
- They hacked the DNC servers and released information to keep unflattering info in the headlines at strategic times.
- They met and coordinated with Trump campaign associates, and may well have pushed the NY FBI office (via Giuliani) to elevate the nonsense promulgated by Breitbart and to exert pressure for Comey to release his late-October letter.

A very few votes, in a very few targeted areas, overrode the popular vote to kick in the electoral college. It was more than close -- she got substantially more votes.

So nobody can say the Russians did not change the results of the election! If she were president, we'd know "they failed." As it is, it seems they succeeded.

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Sen. James Risch on CNN -- "The Russians TRIED to affect the election, but they failed!" (Original Post) Sparkly Jun 2017 OP
They started this on November 9. Cracklin Charlie Jun 2017 #1
Is that like, "They tried to rob the bank but failed"? Thomas Hurt Jun 2017 #2
Senator needs to walk C_U_L8R Jun 2017 #3
Today Comey confirmed that the NYT story about trump campaign people meeting with the Russians jmg257 Jun 2017 #4
This straight from the GOP think tank "talking points" assembly line. BSdetect Jun 2017 #5
Fascinating gratuitous Jun 2017 #6
The rethugs know Russia rigged the election in their favor kimbutgar Jun 2017 #7

Cracklin Charlie

(12,904 posts)
1. They started this on November 9.
Thu Jun 8, 2017, 06:46 PM
Jun 2017

That's why I think Russian tampering did affect the actual vote count.

They were too ready with this line.

Thomas Hurt

(13,903 posts)
2. Is that like, "They tried to rob the bank but failed"?
Thu Jun 8, 2017, 06:48 PM
Jun 2017

really they didn't know if they could rob the bank, and it was their first time.

Let's cut them some slack.

C_U_L8R

(45,003 posts)
3. Senator needs to walk
Thu Jun 8, 2017, 06:50 PM
Jun 2017

Down the street and ring the door at the White House (under management by the kremlin)

jmg257

(11,996 posts)
4. Today Comey confirmed that the NYT story about trump campaign people meeting with the Russians
Thu Jun 8, 2017, 06:52 PM
Jun 2017

was false.

Was there other reporting on this that is true?

BSdetect

(8,998 posts)
5. This straight from the GOP think tank "talking points" assembly line.
Thu Jun 8, 2017, 07:26 PM
Jun 2017

They churn our disinformation like confetti.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
6. Fascinating
Thu Jun 8, 2017, 07:29 PM
Jun 2017

Does the Senator have evidence for this assertion? Because from the information publicly available now, it's pretty hard to say one way or the other, and Russia's interference can't be definitively ruled effective or ineffective. One indisputable fact is that nearly 3 million more Americans voted for Hillary Clinton than for Donald Trump.

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