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oldtime dfl_er

(6,931 posts)
Thu Jun 8, 2017, 06:57 PM Jun 2017

THIS is what seems to have been forgotten in James Comey's testimony today.

"The reason this is such a big deal has — we have this big, messy, wonderful country where we fight with each other all the time, but nobody tells us what to think, what to fight about, what to vote for, except other Americans, and that’s wonderful and often painful.
But we’re talking about a foreign government that, using technical intrusion, lots of other methods, tried to shape the way we think, we vote, we act. That is a big deal. And people need to recognize it.
It’s not about Republicans or Democrats. They’re coming after America, which I hope we all love equally. They want to undermine our credibility in the face of the world. They think that this great experiment of ours is a threat to them, and so they’re going to try to run it down and dirty it up as much as possible.
That’s what this is about. And they will be back, because we remain — as difficult as we can be with each other, we remain that shining city on the hill, and they don’t like it."

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THIS is what seems to have been forgotten in James Comey's testimony today. (Original Post) oldtime dfl_er Jun 2017 OP
So true, Wellstone ruled Jun 2017 #1
SO what do we do about it? More sanctions? jmg257 Jun 2017 #2
FIrst oldtime dfl_er Jun 2017 #3
Anti-russian actions can start ANY time...investigations will take months. jmg257 Jun 2017 #4
of course oldtime dfl_er Jun 2017 #6
trump isn't about to. barbtries Jun 2017 #36
Heard that live... Docreed2003 Jun 2017 #5
Agreed! And I have to credit Nicole Wallace bresue Jun 2017 #7
Trump's response Generic Other Jun 2017 #13
Now that is ..... AWESOME!!! bresue Jun 2017 #15
As Michael Bluth might say, "Holy Mother of God!!" - perfection, Generic O!!! eom Leghorn21 Jun 2017 #16
Why thank you! Generic Other Jun 2017 #21
I copied/pasted, have been sending this around. And far as I know, Mr. Comey wasn't reading Leghorn21 Jun 2017 #8
yes oldtime dfl_er Jun 2017 #9
Yes it did Phoenix61 Jun 2017 #11
Oh yeah - innocent, and so heartfelt, oldtime. So pure. You know how people Leghorn21 Jun 2017 #12
. oldtime dfl_er Jun 2017 #14
I was thinking the same thing. ANd I noted too that he was not reading. The man is truly an orator. Amaryllis Jun 2017 #28
Trump: "Whatever, fuck that". Barack_America Jun 2017 #10
The one thing missing with that statement Perseus Jun 2017 #17
Well obviously oldtime dfl_er Jun 2017 #19
Why not? There are subtle ways of implying it, he called him a liar, why not mention Perseus Jun 2017 #23
Because his purpose oldtime dfl_er Jun 2017 #35
yes AlexSFCA Jun 2017 #18
Knr nt retrowire Jun 2017 #20
Excellent POINT, ode! Cha Jun 2017 #22
BINGO!!! Mme. Defarge Jun 2017 #24
But ... Benghazi... ? Kablooie Jun 2017 #25
And............. MyOwnPeace Jun 2017 #26
AND that said, tRump has convinced 39% of U.S. that Russia IS OUR FRIEND. ffr Jun 2017 #27
Repubicans do NOT love America. They love only Mammon and the 1% - nt KingCharlemagne Jun 2017 #29
So true, epic statement! MacMcQuill Jun 2017 #30
That stood out to me as well. A genuine moment, among many today. FailureToCommunicate Jun 2017 #31
Thank you for that reminder and call to action, Mr Comey Hekate Jun 2017 #32
"this great experiment of ours is a threat to them" annabanana Jun 2017 #33
I get so tired of this 'we're so crazy but so wonderful' bullshit. YOHABLO Jun 2017 #34
Under Trump, it's more like "The Shining" city on a hill. Qutzupalotl Jun 2017 #37
Forgotten only by the selective memory of Republicans. Nitram Jun 2017 #38
If the US wants the rest of the world to consider it as . . FairWinds Jun 2017 #39
Word. Who's quote please? mahina Jun 2017 #40
It's from the Veterans For Peace mission statement . . FairWinds Jun 2017 #41

oldtime dfl_er

(6,931 posts)
3. FIrst
Thu Jun 8, 2017, 07:02 PM
Jun 2017

and most important, REMOVE those who continue to perpetuate, defend, protect or provide cover for, the continuation of this danger.

jmg257

(11,996 posts)
4. Anti-russian actions can start ANY time...investigations will take months.
Thu Jun 8, 2017, 07:04 PM
Jun 2017

Russia likely doesn't really care who is removed from power - they probably love it!

barbtries

(28,799 posts)
36. trump isn't about to.
Fri Jun 9, 2017, 09:53 AM
Jun 2017

he wants to undo them. probably part of his deal with them.

so i don't think we'll see any further sanctions any time soon.

Docreed2003

(16,863 posts)
5. Heard that live...
Thu Jun 8, 2017, 07:04 PM
Jun 2017

Strange to have a simultaneous swell of pride and a deep sadness for what has been lost. Comey is a dinasaur from another time...I hope we can restore this country to those ideals, rather than face extinction under authoritarian/oligarch rule.

bresue

(1,007 posts)
7. Agreed! And I have to credit Nicole Wallace
Thu Jun 8, 2017, 07:05 PM
Jun 2017

She was outraged with GOP speakers trying to placate and excuse Dump's behavior. Finally she stated "Let's not forget we're covering a goat rodeo!"

Dump focuses about him...not comprehending...this is bigger!

Leghorn21

(13,524 posts)
8. I copied/pasted, have been sending this around. And far as I know, Mr. Comey wasn't reading
Thu Jun 8, 2017, 07:09 PM
Jun 2017

this powerful, magnificent statement from a TelePrompTer, either. The man is a true orator, and
these words will long be remembered, oldtime.

Leghorn21

(13,524 posts)
12. Oh yeah - innocent, and so heartfelt, oldtime. So pure. You know how people
Thu Jun 8, 2017, 07:24 PM
Jun 2017

memorize the Gettysburg Address and the "I Have a Dream" speech? - we might have to wait a bit as we focus on surviving this maelstrom, but peeps will be committing this to memory and reenacting it in elementary school classrooms and acting classes all over America someday...

Hell, I might memorize it myself, eh?! I've got a John Phillip Sousa CD, too...I could memorize and sob my brains out simultaneously (hey, who couldn't use a good cry long amount now?!)-

 

Perseus

(4,341 posts)
17. The one thing missing with that statement
Thu Jun 8, 2017, 07:45 PM
Jun 2017

is the fact that there is a high probability of collusion with one of the parties (Republican party) and the Russians which goes even deeper than a foreign country, which has always tried anyway, to undermine USA's institutions, the bigger threat is treason in a proportion never seen before, all for money and power.

So to blame the Russians alone is lame, beautifully said, but lame nonetheless, the real threat is the internal terrorism/treason because lets face it, USA has also tried to change things in Russia and if the USA had its way it would, so don't paint it like the big issue is the foreign country, the huge issue here is treason.

 

Perseus

(4,341 posts)
23. Why not? There are subtle ways of implying it, he called him a liar, why not mention
Thu Jun 8, 2017, 07:58 PM
Jun 2017

the word treason in a subtle way?

And its not "obviously" because no one seems to be talking about it, so maybe Comey cannot say it, but the rest of the World can, and I don't hear anyone saying it.

I believe that if the discussion was stronger in that respect that even the trumpers will start paying attention.

oldtime dfl_er

(6,931 posts)
35. Because his purpose
Thu Jun 8, 2017, 11:15 PM
Jun 2017

was not to pass legal judgement or to define the behavior in that way. His job was to present facts.

AlexSFCA

(6,139 posts)
18. yes
Thu Jun 8, 2017, 07:47 PM
Jun 2017

that was the most important part of the testimony. Trump will continue praise putin and supress russia investigations. By the way, Steel's dossier was not dismissed by comey. We all know that dossier was 100% true. But I beleive putin has much more compromising material on him and other rethugs.

ffr

(22,670 posts)
27. AND that said, tRump has convinced 39% of U.S. that Russia IS OUR FRIEND.
Thu Jun 8, 2017, 08:30 PM
Jun 2017

And they full-well believe him.





He's a grifter out to sow discourse in our nation. He's a traitor who will do anything for a buck. This is what we're dealing with after a stolen election.

 

YOHABLO

(7,358 posts)
34. I get so tired of this 'we're so crazy but so wonderful' bullshit.
Thu Jun 8, 2017, 10:02 PM
Jun 2017

''that shining city on the hill" crap is biblical in case any of you didn't get it. No doubt used time and again by the religious right.

"A City upon a Hill" is a phrase from the parable of Salt and Light in Jesus's Sermon on the Mount. In Matthew 5:14, he tells his listeners, "You are the light of the world. A city that is set on a hill cannot be hidden." It has become popular with American politicians.

Nitram

(22,822 posts)
38. Forgotten only by the selective memory of Republicans.
Fri Jun 9, 2017, 01:37 PM
Jun 2017

Everybody else is totally aware of the implications.

 

FairWinds

(1,717 posts)
39. If the US wants the rest of the world to consider it as . .
Fri Jun 9, 2017, 03:27 PM
Jun 2017

". . that shining city on the hill."

then the US needs to stop interfering in other nations'
elections, which it has done routinely - and almost always on the
side of the Right, often the FAR right.

It's downright jingoistic to think that YOUR electoral process is
sacrosanct, but that all the others are fair game.

Having studied and traveled in 50 countries, I have seen a lot of
this up close and personal.

Veterans For Peace - and by the way, one of the central principles of
VFP is "To restrain our governments from intervening, overtly and covertly,
in the internal affairs of other nations"

 

FairWinds

(1,717 posts)
41. It's from the Veterans For Peace mission statement . .
Sun Jun 11, 2017, 03:18 PM
Jun 2017

here is the entirety . . I've been a member for about
ten years - great bunch of people.

https://www.veteransforpeace.org/

VFP Mission

To increase public awareness of the causes and costs of war 

To restrain our governments from intervening, overtly and covertly, in the internal affairs of other nations 

To end the arms race and to reduce and eventually eliminate nuclear weapons 

To seek justice for veterans and victims of war 

To abolish war as an instrument of national policy. 


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