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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI am trying to do my level best to judge Trump's response to Comey fairly...
I am trying to do my level best to judge Trump's response to Comey fairly and would ask lurkers to do the same.
Let's try the Socratic method and elicit the truth by asking questions.
If X testified about Y under oath and Y said everything he likes about X's testimony is true and everything he dislikes about X's testimony is false who has more credibility ?
Not Ruth
(3,613 posts)Yesterday, she posted something that in my interpretation says that Comey perjured himself (Trump has been under investigation all this time per Louise Mensch) yesterday in an effort to catfish Trump into destroying himself. Apparently Comey is a true patriot, will to sacrifice his professional reputation in order to take Trump down. How this perjury will ultimately end is anyone's guess, though I suspect that Comey may have a supertop secret immunity deal in place. Comey has been gaming Trump for months, always several steps ahead and steering Trump into doing exactly what Comey wants him to do. So Comey is not credible, but he is gaming Trump to have Trump say something even less credible under oath.
Chess+GLOMAR=impeachment
"Exclusive: Sources familiar with James Comeys thinking say that todays explosive testimony was planned in advance as part of the counterintelligence operation against Russias attack on the United States.
James Comey knew in advance he was going to be fired, these sources say, when Trump threatened him. At that point, the Director set in place countermeasures to protect the FBIs investigation from Trumps interference.
These included discussions with future key players at the Department of Justice and the FBI, these sources say, including Acting Director McCabe and Deputy Attorney General Rosenstein.
It was further anticipated by Director Comey, these sources say, that the Trump team would both try to access FBI data and pass it to Russian intelligence. As we earlier reported exclusively, data from Director Comeys computer was both taken by the Trump Team and passed to the Russians. The property of the United States was then recovered, these sources say. Separate sources with links to the Justice Department say, without being definitive, that it is thought that Attorney General Jeff Sessions ordered an IT audit of Director Comeys electronics, and so the data may have been lawfully collected in a way that would not raise suspicions. Removable media containing data from Director Comeys computer was then passed to the Russians, sources with links to the intelligence community confirm, adding that the said data has been recovered.
Director Comey anticipated further both that Donald Trump would boast he had tapes on him, and that he, Comey, would be called to Congress to give the sensational testimony he has given today under oath. Comey is highly sensitized to the value of television and the news cycle, sources familiar with his thinking say. He had reluctantly become so, after understanding the crucial role the data laundering of Donald Trump played in the election. Comey therefore decided to wait until his live televised hearing to reveal some of his knowledge about the Russian hacking investigation to the public in order that its impact not be diminished. Indeed, with partisans of both parties seeking to blame Comey for their failures, the Director had become convinced that if he were not dismissed the investigation might focus too much on him and not enough on the foreign and domestic enemies of the United States. While he was angered at the manner of his firing, sources report, Director Comey regarded the situation with the dispassionate eye of a chess player sacrificing a rook to back his opponent into a corner. Both Donald Trump and his Russian handlers fell into line, up to and including their concentration on lines in yesterdays written testimony, which catfished Russian partisans into repeating obstruction of justice until the concept was firmly affixed in the publics mind. This left Comey open to detailing how Trump obstructed justice without using the term, today.
Director Comey was able to tell the public, using the GLOMAR technique, that both Donald Trump and Jeff Sessions are under criminal investigation for treason with Russia, and that both obstructed justice. Such a killer blow could not have been dealt at least not so easily had Trump and his Russian allies had the good sense to leave Director Comey to do his job."
Not Ruth
(3,613 posts)Suggests that Trump is catfishing Comey, in which case Trump may also have an immunity deal in place. Or he believes that he does, but it may not be as solid as Comey's.
pnwmom
(108,991 posts)And I heard Comey say that he had told DT that they weren't investigating him, and that that was "technically true" because there wasn't a file with his name on the top. But they are investigating his campaign - and he is involved as the leader of the campaign.
Not Ruth
(3,613 posts)That is GLOMAR. It is also perjury. As well as catfishing. And patriotism. They are not exclusive.
pnwmom
(108,991 posts)of the file.
I agree that is GLOMAR, but not that it is perjury.
If someone told me it was "technically true" that I wasn't being investigated because my name wasn't on the top of a file, I would hire the best lawyer I could.
Not Ruth
(3,613 posts)The FBI already had the Carter Page tape showing Russian collusion.
jmg257
(11,996 posts)SO Comey told trump 3 times he was NOT personally under investigation, told congressional committees/members/leaders the same thing, then testified to the same under oath (up till May 9th at least), only to be actually purposely lying the whole time - to trap trump!! Genius!
Ah - sequels wrapped in sequels spreading out, with only minor "facts" changed to make it all come out in the end.
As long as you have "sources", or better yet - "sources with links to..." you can come up with anything!
Maybe a super-hero super-villian thingy - very hot right now.
Not Ruth
(3,613 posts)"Comey had his own phone legally hacked in order to record suspects, including Trump, Eric Trump and Donald Trump Jr, for over a year."
jmg257
(11,996 posts)Huh - Maybe LM is in on it- say all kinds of wacky stuff in order to trap trump too!
Not Ruth
(3,613 posts)jmg257
(11,996 posts)True that - 100 agents digging will come up with something - trump has been dealing in NYC/casinos/real-estate etc for 70 years.
FSogol
(45,525 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)wishstar
(5,271 posts)She doesn't believe Comey when he stated Trump was not under investigation, so her new theory is that he lied to Trump and under oath about Trump not being investigated, in order to keep him in dark as part of coordinated intelligence sting operation to take down Trump.
Not Ruth
(3,613 posts)May 9 was Comey's last day. And he claims he knows that Trump was not being investigated up to then. May 11, Louise Mensch publishes a story that Trump has already been indicted for Russian collusion. That would be a very short investigation. And a couple of days later, Louise Mensch and Claude Taylor co publish a story that doubles down on the Russian collusion indictments, which I think cover Pence and Ryan also, it is getting murky. Louise Mensch and Claude Taylor have multiple sources that are exclusive of each other's sources. So this Russian collusion indictments are as solid a news story as they see.
That is where I think that Trump reverse catfishing Comey may be happening. Trump may be catfishing all of the sources.
Not Ruth
(3,613 posts)You therefore cannot believe anything he spoke of, including the NY Times or Lynch. They are all pawns in his game of chess with Trump.
or retract it.
Not Ruth
(3,613 posts)It is a game of chess, how do you retract a game of chess?
Not Ruth
(3,613 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)This is some of the best I've seen at DU. Well done.
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pnwmom
(108,991 posts)And Comey himself, in his Senate testimony, said he had told DT he wasn't under investigation, and that that was "technically true" -- because his name wasn't on the top of a file -- but he was involved, because it was his campaign.
"Technically true." Let the implications of that sink in. When the FBI investigates an organization, they work from the bottom up. The fact that there isn't a file opened yet with DT's name on it shouldn't give DT any comfort.
jmg257
(11,996 posts)Super-genius, AND a true patriot!
Huh - or maybe they are ALL in on it, right LM?
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Not Ruth
(3,613 posts)Not Ruth
(3,613 posts)Not Ruth
(3,613 posts)Not a prediction=confirmed
There we go, that means one of 2 things
1) that a lot of people ahead of Hatch are leaving government before they can be President.
2) or Hatch is going to win a future Presidential election
If it is the first, many, many people are being catfished.
Not Ruth
(3,613 posts)Catfishing and gaslighting are both derived from movie titles
Not Ruth
(3,613 posts)Might be that Trump has already fired Mueller
Kingofalldems
(38,471 posts)Or more precisely--had himself legally taped.
Not Ruth
(3,613 posts)Louise reports that Comey has been recording Trump for over a year, using his cell phone as a microphone......
"Comey had his own phone legally hacked in order to record suspects, including Trump, Eric Trump and Donald Trump Jr, for over a year."
Not Ruth
(3,613 posts)I am still reviewing it, but Trump is definitely playing chess as well as catfishing.
Trump is not guilty of obstruction of justice, but Sessions is. Sessions had Rosenstein write 2 Comey memos, which were the opposite of each other. Then Sessions used the one that made Rosenstein look bad.
https://patribotics.blog/2017/06/18/exclusive-sessions-ordered-two-comey-memos-rosenstein-not-recuse/
I also saw something in the tweets about Preet being unaware of the sealed indictments (because they were sealed). Now that they are unsealed, Preet is not aware of them because he was fired. That explains any disconnect between Louise Mensch and Preet.